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[kruis]

It's because they rip off designs of imported technology and then pass it off as their own while producing it for peanuts (aka with sweat shops).

As opposed to US companies that manufacture products in South East Asian like Cambodia and Thailand where humble factory workers live like the kings of old.

 

[ReyBrujo]

no ray-tracing support , seriously?

I was told it was the biggest scam in gaming history.

Gotta love how suddenly everyone is defending Nvidia

 

[Sonik]

This could very well be the stupidest thing I've read on Neogaf. That, or a very silly trolling attempt. Got me, I guess.

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?

I mean I hate Nvidias descent into filthy levels of greed, these guys gave us pro consumer all time great products like the glorious 8800gt and now we get a 5060 for near 400 but let's not downplay the fact that they have also innovated and pushed the industry forward and are the defacto leader in gpu and ai hardware. Instead of wishing them to crash and burn lets hope for a real competitor to come in forcing them to pull back to giving us actual affordable performance products.

10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

 

[existensmaximum]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?



10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

What I implying is that however bad and extensive the American spyware situation is, the Chinese is infinitely worse. As well as comparing how malicious the two respective regimes are.

 

[kruis]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?

I'd worry more about western companies spying on me than the Chinese government doing that. We all know that when something on the internet is "free", then you are the product. Whenever you use Google or Meta online services, they reserve the right for themselves to follow your tracks, to read what you write, gather all that information and use it to push personalized ads to you and sell information about who you are, where you live, what you do to others. They're brazen enough to use your mails to train their AI, they would even like to claim any art or music you store on their service for their own use. The list goes on and on and on.

 

[Sonik]

What I implying is that however bad and extensive the American spyware situation is, the Chinese is infinitely worse. As well as comparing how malicious the two respective regimes are.

Ah yes, the infinitely better US that has turned entire regions into hellholes through war, coups and IMF economic terrorism. Both regimes are terrible, so I'll just prefer the one that isn't ripping me off. Imagine demanding loyalty to America's greedy fucking corporations because of a perceived moral superiority of the nation that has been starting a war every couple of years the last 2-3 decades

 

[SABRE220]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?



10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

Oh I wasn't celebrating that 40$ price tag for the 5060 on the contrary I was just making the comparison how far Nvidia has fallen in terms of greed.

The creator of possibly the best graphics card for consumers ever the 8800gt a card that offered near flagship performance for just 250$ has become the disgrace that charges 400 dollars for a butchered tiny die with 8gb of ram.

 

[Sonik]

Oh I wasn't celebrating that 40$ price tag for the 5060 on the contrary I was just making the comparison how far Nvidia has fallen in terms of greed.

The creator of possibly the best graphics card for consumers ever the 8800gt a card that offered near flagship performance for just 250$ has become the disgrace that charges 400 dollars for a butchered tiny die with 8gb of ram.

Yeah you're right, I misread your post there

 

[StereoVsn]

Ah yes, the infinitely better US that has turned entire regions into hellholes through war, coups and IMF economic terrorism. Both regimes are terrible, so I'll just prefer the one that isn't ripping me off. Imagine demanding loyalty to America's greedy fucking corporations because of a perceived moral superiority of the nation that has been starting a war every couple of years the last 2-3 decades

Yes, the amazing CCP which murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, invaded Vietnam, India, and made North Korea one of the worst places on Earth and a danger to many others.

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea, is bullying all surrounding countries and is preparing to invade Taiwan. Oh and supports Putin's warmongering in Ukraine as well as Iran's regime.

Same CCP that also turned China into a police state and basically extinguished any semblance of reforms after Xi came to power.

I could go on. Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

China is an amazing country with great culture, interesting history, tasty food and a ton of cool places to visit. All of that has been basically fucked over by the current Chinese government.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Yes, but they're very good at this. And this leads to knowledge. With the infinite money supply from the CCP and how effectively they use this money, it's a matter of time until they actually pose a threat to western tech in pretty much all areas.

Yes and no.

On the one hand, infinity money from the CCP, complete lack of respect for stolen IP, and Chairman Xi's ambitions to dominate the world

On the other hand, the culture of the nation and 差不多

As long as China doesn't fundamentally reform their culture, 差不多 will prevent Chinese domination of the world

 

[Represent.]

I fucking love China

 

[nkarafo]

I would never buy something designed in China from the ground up.

But other people would so it's a good thing it exists for me to have a small chance to buy the next Nvidia card a bit cheaper

 

[SABRE220]

Yes, the amazing CCP which murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, invaded Vietnam, India, and made North Korea one of the worst places on Earth and a danger to many others.

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea, is bullying all surrounding countries and is preparing to invade Taiwan. Oh and supports Putin's warmongering in Ukraine as well as Iran's regime.

Same CCP that also turned China into a police state and basically extinguished any semblance of reforms after Xi came to power.

I could go on. Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

China is an amazing country with great culture, interesting history, tasty food and a ton of cool places to visit. All of that has been basically fucked over by the current Chinese government.

My guy, let's avoid a prolonged political debate here, but you'll find a significant amount of armed conflicts in the last 3 decades have had the hands of the US involved. It's funny that you can downplay those conflicts as if they were minor offenses...the Iraq War alone cost nearly a million lives with no justification.


The US would destabilize whole regions and topple governments at the mere notion that anyone would disagree with their interests. Anyone who dares stand up quickly becomes part of the axis of evil and is then promptly brought down by proxy-funded groups, many would call terror groups. I mean the whole Middle East is basically a mess because of greed....the US literally razed Iraq, causing nearly a million deaths based on supposed weapons of mass destruction, which was proved bogus just because Bibi said so. I mean the scariest and worst part is the US is influenced and some would say controlled by Israel to a mind-boggling extent.

Then there's Afghanistan the absolute pandoras box that came from the US training and funding the Taliban with Pakistan to take on the Soviets ...and lo and behold post the soviet conflict said terrorist group became the thorn for the whole world causing a Shockwave that basically caused untold amounts of misery across the world post 9/11 and now said Taliban is ruling the country with US based abandoned weapons being a threat to every nation along its borders.

There was Vietnam...no need to expand on that, the Syria proxy war, Lebanon being toppled and the US is currently the only country in the whole world who is allowing the slaughter and starvation of the Palestinians on the beck and call of Israel...literally everyone around the world, including its allies are saying bro this is way too far but..I don't know what Mossad has on their politicians.

I'm not saying China is some saint; they have their skeletons in the closet, but if you look at it holistically, calling China the evil big baddie in the world compared to the US, when the US has caused significantly greater conflict around the world, just doesn't have a lot of merit. Most of the public in the US are, of course, amazing and contributed immensely to developments in science and medicine, etc, but its military and regional meddling remains a sore stain.

 

[MrCunningham]

I could only imagine this thing being an Aliexpress top seller.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

I buy enough garbage from China. Waiting for the Nvidia USA plant to start pumping out those babies.

 

[roosnam1980]

I was told it was the biggest scam in gaming history.

Gotta love how suddenly everyone is defending Nvidia

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

 

[winjer]

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

If the price is significantly lower, that is something I could live without.
Much more important is the apparent lack of AI units and a proper upscaler.

 

[jm89]

China's rapid advancement in tech is insane.

They are gonna have to, with uncle Sam stifling advancement where ever they can.

 

[roosnam1980]

If the price is significantly lower, that is something I could live without.
Much more important is the apparent lack of AI units and a proper upscaler.

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

 

[winjer]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

I hope not, because RT still causes massive performance loses.
Until the hardware catches up, it's best to have the option to turn it off.

 

[Panajev2001a]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

You need to see how well games like Doom: The Dark Ages runs with emulated RT on GCN/Vega class HW actually. Surprisingly well .

 

[Sonik]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

If a game has mandatory RT that's a game I'm not buying, we should request a feature where steam clarifies it on the game's steam page. I'm convinced that RT was pushed so much to sell new hardware, I still haven't seen the kind of difference with RT that justifies the RIDICULOUS resource hogging

 

[roosnam1980]

You need to see how well games like Doom: The Dark Ages runs with emulated RT on GCN/Vega class HW actually. Surprisingly well .

got a link to this mod?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

Chinese gamers don't play Western AAA titles anyways

This is meant for the Chinese market, that's why they demonstrated it running Wukong

 

[winjer]

Chinese gamers don't play Western AAA titles anyways

This is meant for the Chinese market, that's why they demonstrated it running Wukong

Considering how bad most AAA western games are nowadays, it's not like they are missing out.

 

[Panajev2001a]

got a link to this mod?

It is not a mod per se, just the open source radv driver, latest MESA release, and some config:

RADV Driver Now Emulates Ray-Tracing By Default For Older AMD GPUs For A Newer Game - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Mesa 25.1 will make Indiana Jones: The Great Circle playable on older AMD GPUs

Since Ray Tracing is a requirement to run Indiana Jones: The Great Circle, a change has been merged into RADV (AMD Vulkan driver) for Mesa to get it working on older AMD GPUs.

www.gamingonlinux.com

They had some issues with the FP16 rapid packed math support depending on the GPU at one point (I think they would crash if the GPU did not have FP16 support but they did even on the GPUs that had it even if at 1x of the FP32 speed, it was less used but still useful to save registers), but they solved that as well.

If you have a GPU with lots of local caches, a LOT of compute, and ability to accelerate decent upscalers they can get very decent RT going (albeit at lower resolution and framerate compared to your top of the line nVIDIA GPU).

 

[MayauMiao]

China’s First 6nm Lisuan G100 GPUs Officially Ship to Customers

Lisuan 7G100 and Lisuan 7G105 GPUs mark China’s push for self-reliant, competitive graphics card hardware by 2026.

tech4gamers.com

Any western got their hands on this?

 

[notseqi]

China’s First 6nm Lisuan G100 GPUs Officially Ship to Customers

Lisuan 7G100 and Lisuan 7G105 GPUs mark China’s push for self-reliant, competitive graphics card hardware by 2026.

tech4gamers.com

Any western got their hands on this?

would be nice
its 2026 now
let it be a nice year kkthx

 

[Dorfdad]

I'd imagine that GPU would catalog and call Home everything you do on your PC no thank you

 

[notseqi]

I'd imagine that GPU would catalog and call Home everything you do on your PC no thank you

GPUs are pretty stupid, i'd be worried about additional drivers or programs, thats the one thing to be very sus about

 

[Solarstrike]

 

[yurinka]

China or Taiwan fabrication?

As oficially recognized by almost every single country around the world, Taiwan is part of China. In blue you have the countries with formal diplomatic relations with Republic of China (a.k.a Taiwan), meaning that formally recognize Taiwan as a country:

Chinese gamers don't play Western AAA titles anyways

Around a quarter of Steam players are Chinese or have Chinese as their main language in Steam, according to the Steam hardware surveys. The Steam CCU daily peaks are always in the evening/early night of the Chinese hours.

 

[notseqi]

Taiwan is part of China, as oficially recognized by all the countries that aren't painted in blue here:

THE EAST IS RED *music starts playing*

 

[Skifi28]

I'd imagine that GPU would catalog and call Home everything you do on your PC no thank you

Joke's on them, I pitty the bloke that has to go through my porn history.

 

[notseqi]

Joke's on them, I pitty the bloke that has to go through my porn history.

does him blasting rope to your fav stuff make anybody gay in this equasion?

 

[Skifi28]

does him blasting rope to your fav stuff make anybody gay in this equasion?

 

[notseqi]

or possibly ungay
its 2026
you can drive a subaru if you want to

 

[fran.fernandez]

I use to work debugging and optimizing gpu for mobile . But after a while we banned the "China" ones.

The drivers , no tools, and the lies . Every spec were wrong . If u there have a Kirin, trust me u got less than half of the specs

 

[Skifi28]

or possibly ungay
its 2026
you can drive a subaru if you want to

 

[Roni]

With ccp built in spyware no thanks.

Google what Remote Disablement Systems are. Google who Edward Snowden is. Matter of fact, just take a week to educate yourself on this issue.

 

[Sonik]

Yes, the amazing CCP which murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, invaded Vietnam, India, and made North Korea one of the worst places on Earth and a danger to many others.

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea, is bullying all surrounding countries and is preparing to invade Taiwan. Oh and supports Putin's warmongering in Ukraine as well as Iran's regime.

Same CCP that also turned China into a police state and basically extinguished any semblance of reforms after Xi came to power.

I could go on. Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

China is an amazing country with great culture, interesting history, tasty food and a ton of cool places to visit. All of that has been basically fucked over by the current Chinese government.

6 months late to the reply and, nice strawman btw, but I never said CCP is amazing, I specifically said both governments are fucking awful and that it's retarded for a country that has ruined entire regions of the world to claim moral superiority, in fact its peak hypocrisy. CCP can go fuck itself but since American companies have decided to be greedy fucks that brazenly rip off consumers, I'll happily start buying from Chinese ones and celebrate when these these specific American fucks are bankrupt

 

[yurinka]

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea

This isn't true. Like any other country, China claims the a certain distance of waters from their territory, which includes Taiwan and a good chunk of the over two hundred tiny unhabited islands/atolls/cays of the South China Sea.

The thing is that, as also happens in many similar cases around the world, many of these micro islands/atolls/cays/etc in the region (some formally recognized as China, others that aren't) are disputed between two or more surrounding countries in this case depending on the island/atoll/cay/etc China (either the mainland China government, the Taiwan one or both), Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand or Brunei.

Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

Yes, doesn't come close. USA caused/has been involved in way more wars, coup d'etats, strong economic bans, killing directly or indirectly way more -particularly innocent, non-military- people, even throwing them nuclear bombs in the face. And there aren't oficial numbers, but I'd bet that proportionally to their population, USA killed more of their own citizens via death sentences or shooted by the police, or when in the far west times they killed natives, than China.

You may not like Xi, but unlike USA has not involved in (or indirectly caused on purpose) any military war, didn't cause any 'color revolution'/civil war/coup d'etat and didn't impose any ban on basic things like food or medicines to any country, etc.

I'd imagine that GPU would catalog and call Home everything you do on your PC no thank you

Search about PRISM, or what Edward Snowden leaked about Bullrun or Edgehill programs. Or Sigint Enabling Program, NSA's Tailored Access Operations, or NSA's PRISM (NSA getting direct access to the Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple... user data due to backdoors provided by these companies), or NSA+GCHQ's Muscular. Just to mention a few. Btw, they are doing a similar thing with the AI companies, so whatever you tell Chatgpt and similar US AI chatbots will go to them too.

 

[Signalis]

As oficially recognized by almost every single country around the world, Taiwan is part of China. In blue you have the countries with formal diplomatic relations with Republic of China (a.k.a Taiwan), meaning that formally recognize Taiwan as a country:

Around a quarter of Steam players are Chinese or have Chinese as their main language in Steam, according to the Steam hardware surveys. The Steam CCU daily peaks are always in the evening/early night of the Chinese hours.

Taiwan is not part of China. Taiwan is an independent country. Go speak to some Taiwanese people, especially the younger ones. None of them will tell you that they are part of China. The younger Taiwanese don't even call themselves
Chinese anymore either. They call themselves Taiwanese. And they fucking loathe China.

You live in dream world if you think Taiwan is part of China. It is it's own country.

Even closer to China, go to Hong Kong and ask them if they are Chinese. They will also tell you a big fat NO and most likely tell you to fuck off as well.

 

[Hypnotoad]

This isn't true. Like any other country, China claims the a certain distance of waters from their territory, which includes Taiwan and a good chunk of the over two hundred tiny unhabited islands/atolls/cays of the South China Sea.

The thing is that, as also happens in many similar cases around the world, many of these micro islands/atolls/cays/etc in the region (some formally recognized as China, others that aren't) are disputed between two or more surrounding countries in this case depending on the island/atoll/cay/etc China (either the mainland China government, the Taiwan one or both), Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand or Brunei.


Yes, doesn't come close. USA caused/has been involved in way more wars, coup d'etats, strong economic bans, killing directly or indirectly way more -particularly innocent, non-military- people, even throwing them nukes. And there aren't oficial numbers, but I'd bet that proportionally to their population, USA killed more of their own citizens via death sentences or shooted by the police, or when in the far west times they killed natives, than China.

You may not like Xi, but unlike USA has not involved in (or indirectly caused on purpose) any military war, didn't cause any 'color revolution'/civil war/coup d'etat and didn't impose any ban on basic things like food or medicines to any country, etc.

As someone who has lived in China and is now living in Taiwan, all I can say is that your views are just absurd.

On the topic: I doubt this card will be in any way commercially viable or even capable. Anyone remember Moore Threads? They had the same promises and have since vanished. Most of these enterprises are there to get state subsidies, funnelling money into their private pockets and then disappear.

 

[Shubh_C63]

I'm not rich enough to have the privilege to choose between protecting my data and my hobby.
Bring it on cheap GPUs

 

[StereoVsn]

6 months late to the reply and, nice strawman btw, but I never said CCP is amazing, I specifically said both governments are fucking awful and that it's retarded for a country that has ruined entire regions of the world to claim moral superiority, in fact its peak hypocrisy. CCP can go fuck itself but since American companies have decided to be greedy fucks that brazenly rip off consumers, I'll happily start buying from Chinese ones and celebrate when these these specific American fucks are bankrupt

Comparing CCP to US and putting them on same level is crazy, but you do you.

We shall see what you think in 2027-2028 when China either blockades or invades Taiwan.

 

[Signalis]

I'm not rich enough to have the privilege to choose between protecting my data and my hobby.
Bring it on cheap GPUs

TFW a Chinese GPU sends telemetry back to China and they see a screenshot with a game that has the flag of Taiwan.

The card is also rumoured to have it's own upscaling technology called Xi-LSS

 

[Sonik]

Comparing CCP to US and putting them on same level is crazy, but you do you.

We shall see what you think in 2027-2028 when China either blockades or invades Taiwan.

Yeah, what kind of psychotic asshole would blockade a country or worse, invade it?

 

[Mister Wolf]

I would worry about driver support.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I would worry about driver support.

I would worry about Chinese spyware being installed on my PC.