Grildon Tundy
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Does it seem bonkers to anyone else that the PS6 rumor mill is revving up? Feels like the PS5 gen never got started.
Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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SlimySnake
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it's a MP game. give me one MP game this gen that has pushed visual fidelity. it just doesnt happen anymore. I've been harsh on frostbite games like Dragon Age just last year, and even Dead Space which didnt do anything for me. Not going to lose sleep over MP game not looking like Avatar.Damn, I'm gonna need CharGPT to keep track of all the excuses you making for this game. Common, you seem to be hard on devs and calling them lazy, what happened here? Upgrades to BF6 over 2042 are minimal beyond destructions. Frostbite has been a major disappointment this gen, they barely upgraded that engine. There's too much asset flipping going on, same geometry engine being used. As for framerates, let's wait and see first how the game perfoms on consoles before proclaiming victory.
What they've showed in terms of destruction is clearly impressive hence the positive reception in this very thread.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Gen started a while ago. Lots of great looking games have been releasing since 2023.
PS6 is set to come in 2027, 7 years after the PS5. That's in line with the PS2, PS3 and PS4.
Superposition
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Looks fucking incredible, very clean image quality. Now I'm going to look at those details on my oled.
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Superposition
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Fatekeeper
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The fact that multiplayer games aren't pushing visuals is no excuse. That's like saying it's ok for DS2 to look the way it does because most single player games have also been stuck in cross gen era. Games like Battlefield have way less excuse because it's a game that thousands of devs are working on, yet we see them doing minimal like everyone else when it comes to visuals.
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No way is PS6 coming out in two years, lol. It's just not happening, not when this gen barely got going. Previous gens being 7 years means nothing when games take double the time to make nowadays.
Small indie teams making games that look like UE5 demos and people think BF6 made by thousands of devs looks "incredible"Fatekeeper
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its nothing like DS2 because most single player games have pushed visuals forward. The 1 lousy exclusive sony releases a year that looks cross gen doesnt mean the rest of the industry hasnt been pushing visuals.
ive explained why multiplayer games just cant push visuals as hard as the order or hellblade or even avatar. if you want to ignore that as excuses, be my guest. But unless devs go back to making 30 fps MP games like KZ2, or even BF1 which that video i linked clearly shows running at low as 33 fps, you arent going to get visual masterpieces on these consoles.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
nah just common sense.
I don't know man, Dice delivered the best multiplayer visuals and tech on consoles with absolute trash cpus and overall were far more impressive than damn near all the single player games on the ps4. Battlefield 5 on the ps4 is 60fps, has huge maps, high tier effects, looks ridiculous has 64 players and destruction running on a fucking jaguar at 1.6ghz, same for battlefront2. Now they had a console with a large leap in specs and the visuals are a middling bump up. I love the destruction enhancement but the visuals are underwhelming and lack any real punch or unique direction.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
3 years then. it's coming out in 2027 or 2028 whether games take 5 years or 10 years. sony have literally confirmed that PS6 is now their top priority. There was a thread about this just a few weeks ago. Sony is a hardware company. They will always make new consoles. The first gonzalo leaks were in 2018. I was a regular of those threads both here and on era. It was 8 tflops in 2018, 9 in 2019, and they shipped with 10 tflops in 2020. So maybe the specs improve as they try and match the Xbox specs like they did last time, but with xbox effectively dead i doubt they give a shit. The 160 watt target is insanely low since the PS5 can go upto 220 and PS5 Pro can go up to 230. So maybe there is hope that it will get a decent 30-40% boost in power but as of right now, 3x doesnt sound too good.
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Pharaoh 117
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BF6 doesn't look bad, it just barely evolved compared to last gen BF games. And I expected more.
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Fall 2028 most likely, maybe even later. 160W rumour by MLID just tells you it's BS. Nobody should believe that guy, he gets way too much stuff wrong. Almost everything he claims to know comes after legit leakers like Kopite already put info out there. The guy has some sources here and there, but most of his leaks are nothing special and with really big ones he gets it wrong a lot of the time. Don't know why people still take him seriously, probably because he's a decent podcaster and has a lot of interesting guests.
Edit: Btw, MLID is that same guy who claimed that Ampere architecture would improve ray tracing 300-400% over Turing, lol. That's just one of his dubious claims. He legit went out over and over saying that at minimum there'll be 300% improvement, lol.
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Bojji
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There is no reason to think that PS6 won't launch in 2027, roadmap for this console was already planned in 2020 and all recent gens were 7 years.
MLID is often wrong but he was right with that PS5 Pro leak and K KeplerL2 and
HeisenbergFX4
confirmed some of the stuff.My guy, PS5 Pro APU was already leaked by multiple data miners before him, lol. Stop buying into this scam.There is no reason to think that PS6 won't launch in 2027, roadmap for this console was already planned in 2020 and all recent gens were 7 years.
MLID is often wrong but he was right with that PS5 Pro leak and K KeplerL2 and
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Bojji
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He was first with some stuff. He has some credible sources, problems is that between credible leaks he makes up and speculates a lot of bullshit to create as many videos as possible.
No, he wasn't. PS5 Pro APU was data mined well before him. Yes, he knows some stuff, but he adds 99 bullshits to every fact he knows. This is is the same joker that said PS5 and Series X will play next gen games at 4K60 high or ultra settings, lol. Back then not even 2080TI could do that with lot of last gen games. I knew he was a joker when he made those claims. He somehow convinced his audience that this will happen because consoles have "secret sauce", lol.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Was it 60 fps? Or 30-60 fps like BF1? Just look at that framerate comparison i posted. Even the pro wasnt hitting 60 fps consistently.
I played BFV on PC so not sure if the performance was improved for consoles over BF1, but BFV was a downgrade imo. It completely lacked the atmospheric effects from BF1 which helped hide some of its shortcomings. And the terrain just looked meh even on PC despite an upgrade in textures. BF 2042 was the same sterile experience lacking any kind of visual flair. This new game reminds me of BF1, BF3 on PC, and BFBC2. There is definitely a lot going on here that i didnt see in BF2042. You should watch some of the old footage of BFV and BF2042.
I also remember Battlefront 2 beta on consoles performing really poorly. Especially on Xbox which ran all these games at 720p-796p and ran at 40-60 fps . Maybe they fixed it for the final game which I skipped, but standards were different back then. No one is going to put up with MP games running at those resolutions and framerates.
At the end of the day, they are held back by the power of the consoles that will be 5 years old by the time this game will come out. They cant use RTGI because its expensive both on GPU and CPU. They cant settle for 1440p 30 fps like AC shadows, Avatar, and most UE5 stunners. Mesh shaders is the one thing that i would criticize them for not adopting but they have full scale destruction here which might not play nice with something like that.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He literally got the PS5 Pro document before DF, Tom henderson and other leakers.
he's full of shit, but im just going by what he's saying. I remember going through the same thing when people looked at the PS5 Pro document showing a meager 45% boost and simply refusing to accept it. I was like im just going off of what they are saying here. I hope it's not true but assuming it is, 3x is a shit leap.
Come on, use common sense that you claim to use. 160W is a red flag. Nobody is making consoles with such low lower consumption unless it's PS6 Series S
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Bojji
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I dig out my detective work from 2023:
Based on PS4 launch:
In 2013 consoles launched - 2 years later top GPU was GTX980ti that was 3x faster than 7850 in PS4:
PS5 launched in 2020 and was noticeable faster than 980ti:
2 years later 4090 launches and is ~3x faster than equivalent to PS5 GPU:
So yeah if PS6 launches in 2027 it will be faster than 4090.
Looks like I didn't expect Sony and AMD to drop the ball so much. At the same time Ai is more important than ever so they probably focused most of resources on that.
PeteBull
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2 possibilities here, either mlid like so many times before spewing bs and thats fine, we simply shouldnt take tales from his ass as word of god, or 2nd scenario, much more awful from my pov- he is right and ps6 is really low power mashine(ps5pr0 draws 240W from the wall, we could see it properly measured by DF, plenty proof there in yt vids) so by design is made to be weak/cheap peasant station- so fk that shitCome on, use common sense that you claim to use. 160W is a red flag. Nobody is making consoles with such low lower consumption unless it's PS6 Series S
3x ps5 gpu in raw raster isnt bad number especially if we add on top of that much better ai upscaling and rt capabilities(it would be basically rtx 4090 and even now we can collectively agree thats a very solid benchmark for performance), i just think it wont be possible on 160W powerlimit mashine.
I would much rather want/take 999$ ps6 with 240-250W powerdraw thats max whats possible in console form factor, and if some1 doesnt want it, they can save few more months and stay on their base ps5/pro durning crossgen period so 2028-2030 or however long its gonna take.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Just to state again, the original PS5 leak Gonzalo was also dismissed by many here as underwhelming because it was 8 tflops and back then we didnt know it had any IPC gains, or whether or not it had ray tracing support. That came in 2019 which was soon followed by the Oberon leak which had 2.0 Ghz clocks and was at 9.2 tflops. Again, people dismissed that because no one though 2.0 ghz would be possible on consoles. Because we didnt know about the power efficiencies of RDNA2. And sony ended up increasing that to 2.23 ghz for the final release.
All of that to say that this might just be an alpha chip, and yes, the 160 watts is a red flag. I just dont trust sony anymore especially with MS effectively bowing out of the console race despite promising to release a next gen console. Sony just released a console with 45% more GPU for $700/800 euros with no disc drive. They dont give a fuck. So if releasing a 160 watt console saves them money on an expensive cooling solution, they will do that. Just look at DS2, Spiderman 2 and Ghosts 2. You think they give a fuck about what they did in the past? New Sony is basically Nintendo 2.0. They only care about profits, and cheap 160 watt consoles are far cheaper to make.
Edit: looks like the data is from a 2023 presentation from AMD to Sony. So yes, probably outdated info according to MILD himself.
All of that to say that this might just be an alpha chip, and yes, the 160 watts is a red flag. I just dont trust sony anymore especially with MS effectively bowing out of the console race despite promising to release a next gen console. Sony just released a console with 45% more GPU for $700/800 euros with no disc drive. They dont give a fuck. So if releasing a 160 watt console saves them money on an expensive cooling solution, they will do that. Just look at DS2, Spiderman 2 and Ghosts 2. You think they give a fuck about what they did in the past? New Sony is basically Nintendo 2.0. They only care about profits, and cheap 160 watt consoles are far cheaper to make.
Edit: looks like the data is from a 2023 presentation from AMD to Sony. So yes, probably outdated info according to MILD himself.
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I'll bet ny account with anyone here that this leak is fake or has nothing to do with PS6 final specs. If you believe this to be true so much then let's make a bet. I don't even care about PS6 as I game on PC and consoles are dead to me, but this leak is clearly bullshit.
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icecold1983
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The majority of senior engineers left the frostbite team years ago. That is why the engine has fallen so far behind. There will be no more leading edge visuals out of any EA games. They don't have the tech or talent to build that tech.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not probably. Cerny literally announced a partnership with AMD on Amyhrst or something which is their AI co-development partnership for the PS6.
I like to compare the PS5 to the 20 series. It was around the same performance level as a 2080 which released in 2018. By the time, the PS6 launches, the 5080 would be 2 years old. 2080 was basically a 1080 Ti, but the 5080 is no 4090. So even nvidia is lagging.
AMD has always been a step behind and that explains the underwhelming Pro and PS6 specs.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Correct. they all went to Embark studios and have made Finals and Arc Raiders. both games look worse than BF6 despite featuring RTGI.
icecold1983
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A small few went to Embark. Embark is a small team. They don't have the resources to make a new engine from scratch. I would have to check out the latest on Arc Raiders to have an opinion on whether BF6 looks better.
PeteBull
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Totally agree, there is a reason i didnt buy ps5/pr0 this gen, sony first party dropped the ball hard/not many musthave exclusives and hardware isnt what i want it to be, in the end market gonna decide if its good move by them, same way it decided how good move xbox did with their series consoles this gen where leakers fight over sold units if its under 30m or under 37m(and both numbers seem abysmall to me anyways ;p ).
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sony dropped the ball so hard that when people hear that PS6 is coming they are like No, you havent even released any next gen games lmao.
Even the normies can tell their exclusives look last gen.
PeteBull
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There will be tons of top companies wanting that 3nm manufacturing process in 2027, including nvidia, amd, intel and obviously apple/samsung too, who knows if not some1 else on top even, it will look like this basically:
Which is even more of a reason why there's no way consoles are coming in 2027.There will be tons of top companies wanting that 3nm manufacturing process in 2027, including nvidia, amd, intel and obviously apple/samsung too, who knows if not some1 else on top even, it will look like this basically:
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Eh, PS4 games were 1080p or less. PS5 games are generally at least 2x the resolution before you can even start talking about any other visual improvements.
At least PS5 -> PS6 will broadly keep the same resolution target so those gains can be used elsewhere.
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Pharaoh 117
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I bought the PS5 at launch but sold it once it became clear Sony would port their games to PC. I can wait 2 years and even if they release an absolutely unmissable masterpiece I can always borrow a PS5 to play it for a few days/weeks. Funnily enough I'm going to do it but not for a Sony game but for a third party one.
GymWolf
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cinnamonandgravy
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crap is like 40% HUDWatched some footage of Battlefield 6 being played on high end PCs by YouTubers. At times the game looks nice, but at times it looks like this:
Another cross gen looking Frankenstein game. Lol, people fell for the hype trailers again
That's on max settings NASA PC's btw, lol. I guess I wasn't being harsh enough on the game
Screens are from gameplay by LevelCapGaming.
get off my lawn
Senua
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Represent.
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I only watched it in my phone, but Fatekeeper may be the best looking game I've ever seen right beside Hellblade 2.
It makes sense it's a PC exclusive
It makes sense it's a PC exclusive
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Which is why Sony needs to lock down the design sooner rather than later. they need to put in the order now or watch as another chip shortage costs them million of sales.There will be tons of top companies wanting that 3nm manufacturing process in 2027, including nvidia, amd, intel and obviously apple/samsung too, who knows if not some1 else on top even, it will look like this basically:
meh.SlimySnake opinions?
Balducci30
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So if the ps6 leak is true and it doesn't end up being that impressive of a leap - then what would happen if Microsoft swung in and made a super powerful console, selling it for 1.5-2x the price? If everything is going multi-platform anyway I feel like that might be a good move for them
Neo_game
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Small indie teams making games that look like UE5 demos and people think BF6 made by thousands of devs looks "incredible"
BF6 looks fine. But yeah with UE5 I have seen so many Chinese devs games that look amazing. UE5 definitely helps them in that department:
Jack Howitzer
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Lol pretty much impossible. After all these shitshows, Microsoft basically gave all of the market to Sony by themselves, at this point even if you made a new console gamers and devs simply won't bother with it, be it powerful or not. Gamers need to see fancy hot new titles when buying a console, devs and publishers need a huge platform for stable cash flow , but MS fails to deliever both over and over again, and that's when you actually have Bethesda and Activision joining the xbox tag here.
I'd say if Sony made a powerful, expensive machine you still gonna have some diehard fans would try it out no matter what, 'id xbox'? Even gaming stores would stay far away from this thing. The only ideal option for them to not complete lose the market forever is keep selling bargains , not going for a price higher than others . Or if the specs are significantly better, same price, basically og xbox 360 strategy. What ? Too much work? You mean p3 and Satya Nadella don't like it? Just count the ryzen 7 12800x3d and rtx7090 combo pcs as the most powerful xbox, and playstation 6 with nintendo switch 2 as well, since everything is a xbox anyway
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GymWolf
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Your dick size is meh
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Kaiserstark
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When even Nvidia couldn't make a 5080 as powerful as the 4090, it's imposible for the PS6 to match the performance of a 4090.
Big performance gains in rasterization from one generation to the next are simply over.
Based on power limits and node limitations, the 4080 is probably the best you can get for a console that will be released in late 2027-early 2028 and that must remain affordable, so probably around $600. They clearly can't release a base console that would cost 800 euro like the Pro in Europe.
In any case, the gap can no longer come from rasterization because we are reaching the limits, it must be done on RT and AI. Maybe this will finally motivate PlayStation studios other than Insomniac and Polyphony to integrate RT into their games.
On the other hand, I find it rather optimistic that they expect the PS6's GPU at 160W with 40-48 CUs to have the same performance as an RTX 4080 even with UDNA improvements but this is just an early proposal, they'll probably change some things to achieve the result they're looking for.
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Gonzito
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