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Xbox Series X | S Estimated to Have Sold 37 million units (may be < 30m)
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RetroGamingUK
Banned
Think we could all do with a laugh
adamsapple
, how many Xbox consoles do you think have been sold this year?
adamsapple
, how many Xbox consoles do you think have been sold this year?
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
No, you misunderstood. I wrote a whole paragraph about how console warriors arguing online don't make a good game any less fun to play, which is a baffling notion.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Think we could all do with a laugh
Not as many as realistically should have been. It should be doing a lot better but isn't, which is a shame.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Not to mention, you run on a lot of assumptions by citing a... lighting artist:
- That Turtle Rock Studios have access to the 3rd party numbers
- That the artist himself is able to access those numbers
- That the 3rd party source has a good track record and is reliable
And as Topher pointed out, Take 2 cited IDG whereas this lighting artist did not. To put all your eggs in the "unnamed source familiar with the matter" basket is... a choice.
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RetroGamingUK
Banned
Which exclusives from the last couple of years should people rush out and buy an Xbox console for?
Especially at THAT price?
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Astray
Member
It's not even PR statements, it's from their SEC disclosures lol.
Baemono
Member
This is exactly what I said
djjinx2
Member
Fair comment, Xbox messaging has been a complete shit show for years, added to cutting advertising budgets and lack of exclusives.
I still love my Series X though.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So many assumptions here.But I didn't do that tho, likeThe Mad Draklor said, these companies usually pay for this research, I'm saying it would be the least surprising thing if that senior artist is speaking from a point of knowledge that his company did. It would not be any different than T2 using the same IDG numbers in their report that was cited earlier in this thread.
Question: Why don't just believe Kepler in this case?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
He's been failing Gamepass so far too.
Ar¢tos
Member
I think he has some blame in the (lack of) quality of the games. He allowed Redfall and Starfield to be released in shitty states.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm open to listening to everyone, even Welfare, whose numbers are used in just about every Circana topic on GAF without anyone questioning it.
Like this fool of a took.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Pretty much where I am in all this. Since we remain in a situation where Microsoft refuses to reveal Xbox numbers, everything is just a guesstimate. Kind of baffling that Welfare is making such a big deal about <30 when 37 million seems far more outlandish at this point
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Mr Moose
Member
Estimates, which he changes all the time.I'm open to listening to everyone, even Welfare, whose numbers are used in just about every Circana topic on GAF without anyone questioning it.
Like this fool of a took.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You do realize that that's not Welfare's numbers, right?I'm open to listening to everyone, even Welfare, whose numbers are used in just about every Circana topic on GAF without anyone questioning it.
Like this fool of a took.
That's just the # of consoles, driven from the % that Circana provides. Here, he is just doing the math. He is not coming up with any original data - like he was with the 37 million Xbox consoles sold (based on the flawed Hardware revenue method).
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well, yeah, this is the part that gets me. He's doing math from derived information in both accounts, I don't think the 37m or "over 30" he said later is 'original data' either.
He seems to go pretty in-depth about how he derives his info in his videos, at least.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
No, that's not. The 2 are completely different things.
- With Circana, he takes Circana's numbers and convert the % into numbers (which we see get posted). It is just doing the math. And others would simply post him instead of doing that same math again to arrive at the same number, which makes sense.
- In his video, if you look at the section of "The Method", he is coming up with his own method to guess the console sales number. That's not the case with Cricana's numbers. Now the whole issue is the method he is using here.
He is using the "hardware revenue" in Microsoft's financial reports to calculate Xbox shipment. However, as several other members have also correctly pointed out, that hardware number cannot be used for this because it also contains revenue from Xbox controllers and SSD expansions etc. But, despite knowing that he is using a flawed method, he sticks with it.
That's the issue. He is using incorrect methods and not rectifying anything even when others have pointed it out to him.
Baemono
Member
Cause Circana is much more « easy » to estimate than ROW that Welfare does.I'm open to listening to everyone, even Welfare, whose numbers are used in just about every Circana topic on GAF without anyone questioning it.
Like this fool of a took.
He know how much it sells in the US (he said 17 million), he knows pretty much how much it has sold in most european countries, he said US:ROW is like 55/45 and still said 37 million in total, which doesn't math.
mayham2199
Member
GHG
Member
A developer from a studio that works on the platform will probably have direct information, like Take 2's access to IDG reports that was cited earlier in the thread.
Kepler also cited that and other reports, he didn't cite having actual verifiable hardware shipment numbers from MS.
Even take 2 themselves don't see IDG's numbers as totally reliable.
Strauss Zelnick:
"We are using IDG's projections, which are pretty substantial. So for Gen 9 alone, their view is that they're about 81 million consoles worldwide currently that was at the end of the last year, they project that will rise to 111 million by the end of this year and [175 million] (ph) by the end of 2027. Now we don't necessarily subscribe or not subscribe to those views, but that shows an awful lot of growth. And we do expect a very significant attach rate."
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Baemono
Member
Because m14
RetroGamingUK
Banned
Currently. But that gap will widen over the rest of the generation.
They're struggling to keep pace with the PS4 sales. Sony are depending on GTA to do all the heavy lifting for the rest of the generation, but unfortunately for them the secondary market is already flooded with used PS5s. A lot of the consumers buying a PS5 for GTA will happily buy used. And that's without even speculating on marketing rights or the next Xbox likely being the best console to play GTA.
True about the pandemic but Sony sold a significant amount of PS4s in 2020 because of lockdowns. The PS5 won't have that benefit. Also keep in mind that the next Xbox may launch as early as next year, which will make for unflattering comparisons with the ageing PS5s capabilities.
Also, with the PS6 being such a minimal upgrade on the PS5 and with there being little price difference between them, expect the PS5 to be sharply discontinued.
Xbox One sales are relevant to sales of the Series consoles. But the fact that the PS5 is also struggling to keep pace with the PS4 provides additional context about the current market.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Well its not as bad as the clowns buying Switch OLED over Switch 2 Base.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Steve Holt
Member
Was wondering when a #SonyToo was going to happen to derail the thread.
Topher
Identifies as young
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
A lot of casuals / non-gamers will be very price conscious when they decide to try GTA. Sometimes people in specialist spaces such as this grow detached from the realities of people outside their bubble. But those at the coal face know the importance of the used market.
mayham2199
Member
I agree but it also makes me scratch my head at you hyping up the next Xbox which is going to be expensive. So on one hand you are saying this wont help PS because of all the used PS5's out there and people looking to save $100. Yet on the other hand you hype up the next Xbox as being the best place to play which is going to hurt Sony even though it's going to be even more expensive than a brand new PS5.
Very strange how your whole argument is just based on the worst case scenario for PS in every possible scenario even if it contradicts your other points.
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Of course, we're talking about those who decide to buy the PS5 for GTA.
That said, if Xbox does have the marketing rights for GTA6, a price drop just before launch could make things very interesting. Your heard it here first!
There was no contradiction. I was just discussing the various obstacles to the PS5 reaching the PS4's lifetime sales.
There will be people looking to save money on PS5s and also other (although fewer) people that will be tempted by the high end experience of the next Xbox.
mayham2199
Member
I had no idea the COD marketing rights are back with PS. MS is seriously desperate for any revenue they can get over there.
We don't know how many they will have available next year. A lot will depend on if the next console really does launch in late 2026. Intriguing times ahead.