It doesn't, I was only talking about casuals looking for cheap PS5s. Then the Series S was brought up. It would have been a good option at its previous price.
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Xbox Series X | S Estimated to Have Sold 37 million units (may be < 30m)
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bitbydeath
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They sold 2M last year, and the numbers have continued to fall this year to the point of dropping out of several regions, 0.5M is probably a decent ballpark figure.Think we could all do with a laugh
adamsapple , how many Xbox consoles do you think have been sold this year?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Putting games on other platforms.
awwr999999
Member
Now's the time for Sony to double down on securing forthcoming 3rd party PS games as PS exclusive games.
The pool of PS exclusive games is so small that studios should be vying for a shot at that increased visibility.
Getting that increased exposure would be more than enough to make up for the loss of any potential Xbox sales.
The pool of PS exclusive games is so small that studios should be vying for a shot at that increased visibility.
Getting that increased exposure would be more than enough to make up for the loss of any potential Xbox sales.
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Honestly I don't really care about "winning" this argument and don't want to add any fuel to this console war BS, but I did want to double check my estimates to make sure I'm not crazy and found some internal AMD production (not sales) volume data and it's even worse than I thought for Xbox.
reinking
Gold Member
So, you chose to handle this like an adult. Where is the fun in that?
Ashamam
Member
He kind of has now.... Unless someone else manufactures the chips in their consoles!
Now you just need to put a number on 'even worse'.
Who's taking guesses? Start at "they aren't even at 30M" (assume that was a gut feel 28.5 - 29M), throw "even worse" on it and I'm thinking around 27.5M.
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demigod
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Oh boy, 28-29M now?
The Mad Draklor
Member
Is it bad to the point that it makes my statement about the Series consoles outselling the OG Xbox not true? Or has the Series consoles surpassed the OG Xbox, but just barely?
That's just as well because Welfare will remain the gold standard.
Monthly production numbers not lifetime.
Spitfire098
Member
Its like an existential crisis for some that the series consoles have sold < 30.
Ashamam
Member
Might have led with that lol.
So any thoughts on your original lifetime numbers?
Also yes whether it hits a magical number like 30M is irrelevant, but whether its 37M vs 30M is relevant.
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demigod
Member
100kish?
OLED_Gamer
Member
Its such a shame that MS ditched the console and didn't give it the software love needed. Its a great system objectively.
drganon
Banned
Its called m14 is an idiot. He also thinks that Ms isn't going to publish any halo games on Playstation because they would suck at online multi-player or whatever bullshit he was pulling out of his dumbass.
bitbydeath
Member
Gamer King
Neo Member
It seems that being above 30m is the same for some folks too.
At the end of the day Xbox Series is doing badly, we all can agree on that, but this necessity to hold on Welfare's or Kepler's estimates is strange.
Probably none of them are absolutely right.
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It's crossing a red line for Xbox fans.
They've already had to surrender their holy war and accept that the PS5 sells twice as much as the Xbox.
If they allow a number lower than 30 million to crystallize, they'll have to "retreat" to another line: "The PS5 sells three times as much as the Xbox."
They'll feel humiliated in their holy war.
Heisenberg007
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We do not know that Kepler is right or wrong, but we do know that Welfare is 100% incorrect because he has publicly shared his method for calculating these numbers, and his method is wrong.
He is hardware revenue that also includes revenue coming from the sales of SSD expansion slots, Xbox controllers, etc. And that's all folks are highlighting here.
PropellerEar
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Join team 27 for the win!
DenchDeckard
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29 mill, 30 mill. Still a shit show of a gen for how much they nailed series x hardware.
They gotta have content and plenty of it to launch a console. They failed. Ill still keep my eye out on what xbox do in the hardware space but they gotta make people want the hardware. Power doesn't mean anything without software to back it up.
Microsoft have shown an innability to do that wirh the series x.
It needs to play GTA the best and also have other software. I still think it will only sell online with a ps5 pro, slightly less probably. That's like a few million a year. 3 to 5 mill maybe?
If MS is happy with that then, they are in for the same gen as this performance wise.
They gotta have content and plenty of it to launch a console. They failed. Ill still keep my eye out on what xbox do in the hardware space but they gotta make people want the hardware. Power doesn't mean anything without software to back it up.
Microsoft have shown an innability to do that wirh the series x.
It needs to play GTA the best and also have other software. I still think it will only sell online with a ps5 pro, slightly less probably. That's like a few million a year. 3 to 5 mill maybe?
If MS is happy with that then, they are in for the same gen as this performance wise.
RetroGamingUK
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A few weeks ago you couldn't stop banging on about how much GTA 6 was going to boost Xbox Series S sales because reasons.
Why does the second hand market only apply to PS5? Don't you think a higher percentage of Xbox owners might have sold their consoles once they realised that every single Xbox game was going to PlaySttaion?
Your head lives in a strange world where the rules that apply to Xbox don't apply to PlayStation and vice versa.
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Ar¢tos
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Do you have an estimate (or an educated guess) of what year is the release of the ps6? (so I can add 5 years to that to buy it when next gen really starts) (if it ever starts, I kinda suspect a perpetual crossgen future from now on)
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Alan Wake
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They obviously don't need to.
Holiday 2027
Ar¢tos
Member
Meh.. I'll probably be too old for gaming in 2032, unless Sony creates a better version of the Access Controller by then and games improve their accessibility options (specially camera control)
Controlling a right stick is getting harder and harder for me.
Hector Hall
Member
As pointed out by Nishino, PS future is multigeneration.
This one PS4 has stuck way longer than expected, with still some 50M users using the good old PS4 12 years after release as main gaming device. But it wasn't intended.
Next generation it will be intended, PS5 and PS5 Pro will be the "low end" of the Playstation, getting 90% of the games and positioned as low cost or entry point to the ecosystem and with the handheld (PS5/PS4) boosting numbers.
With current costs Sony can't have a user base of less than 50M for 2/3 years, and the budgets to create games unable to run on PS5 aren't there.
This one PS4 has stuck way longer than expected, with still some 50M users using the good old PS4 12 years after release as main gaming device. But it wasn't intended.
Next generation it will be intended, PS5 and PS5 Pro will be the "low end" of the Playstation, getting 90% of the games and positioned as low cost or entry point to the ecosystem and with the handheld (PS5/PS4) boosting numbers.
With current costs Sony can't have a user base of less than 50M for 2/3 years, and the budgets to create games unable to run on PS5 aren't there.
drganon
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What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand?
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DenchDeckard
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I think it's been pretty obvious for a while now that Microsoft have given up on pushing massive volumes of hardware and competing with Sony on a traditional console cycle.
All rumours suggest a change of strategy for next gen, combined with the fact they've gone fully multiplatform.
It's clearly all about pushing gamepass and software to as many platforms as possible.
They are not going to sell you Xbox s at a huge loss anymore, and I don't think they will care if they don't move as much volume as Sony and Nintendo.
It seems to me that only Xbox fans can't seem to accept it yet
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
That was last year actually and a lot has happened since then, particularly the price rises. So I have adjusted my analysis accordingly.
It doesn't. I was responding to other users asking why the boost from GTA will be lower than expected in terms of PS5 sales.
Did I miss something??
We're live!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Steve Holt
Member
A few weeks ago you couldn't stop banging on about how much GTA 6 was going to boost Xbox Series S sales because reasons.
Why does the second hand market only apply to PS5? Don't you think a higher percentage of Xbox owners might have sold their consoles once they realised that every single Xbox game was going to PlaySttaion?
Your head lives in a strange world where the rules that apply to Xbox don't apply to PlayStation and vice versa.
Jaybe
Member
So the Xbox revenue that Welfare divides by his 'average selling price' to get Xbox consoles sold included Xbox controllers and SSDs. No wonder Welfare overestimated by so much, very embarrassing. Has he acknowledged this yet?
Hector Hall
Member
Apparently that Sony position already existed and was an internal thing to publish it as it was vacant.
Ar¢tos
Member
His mission has failed, he has been terminated.
Soon, from the deep fires of
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His method has been the same for many years, like when he stated in a time 56 million for XBO and people accused him (a lot o you here) of inflating sales, and then MS officially announced that he sold 58 million XBO sales...
That is, whether he's wrong or not in his estimates for XSeries, it's certainly not because he's been using the wrong method, because it's been the same for years, and in all of them, he already considered and had in mind hardware beyond just consoles.
Ar¢tos
Member
Then there is a problem if AMD shipment numbers to MS are less than the numbers "sold" by MS.
The only explanation is that some of the sales only happened on paper.
I don't know who's right or closer to the real numbers. I'm just saying that, whether he's wrong or not, he's been using the same estimation method for years (I think more than a decade), and the official results have always ended up proving him right.
That means that whether he's wrong or not now isn't because of his estimation method.
That said, it's common with MS and Xbox that shortly after the new generation of consoles is launched, sales figures for the previous generation are leaked or made official. I suppose it will be the same with the XSeries, and then we'll see to what extent he was wrong or not. It's a matter of waiting and seeing.
I already said that with the XBO (he said 56 million) he was accused of being wrong and inflating sales, and it turned out he was even below the official figures (58 million).
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
No, AFAIK, he keeps ignoring that. Multiple members here have pointed out this fact, but he does not acknowledge that.
And that's what make this entire thing so wrong and disingenous.
ChorizoPicozo
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JezCorden:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
JezCorden:
That is true. Renting games via Game Pass is fine, but I don't understand why anyone would buy digital games on Xbox and/or buy a new Xbox at this point.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Bro, forget everything for a second and just tell me this.
If I say that I'm going to take Sony's hardware revenue and use that to calculate the PS5 Pro sales - when that revenue number includes PS5 console sales, DualSense, PSVR 2, etc.
Would you say that's the correct method and that the numbers I derive from this would be correct? Yes or No?