Shun and Lion had sidesteps in VF2. Fighters Megamix had sidesteps for all characters as did other 3D fighters on the system.
I was so looking forward to Dinosaur Planet, and i was pissed when fucking Shigeru Miyamoto told Rare to change it for Star Fox, I have always though Star fox universe is stupid and uninteresting. I never touched Star Fox adventures, it looked so out of place. and I dislike Slippy the frog a lot.These are probably the closest to gorgeous in my view, Dinosaur planet and JFG.
Not quite a find , I made the video and own the game
Can one even go much more "3D" in fighting than Virtual On (and copies on PS, 64 or wherever, even Switch with ARMS) anyway, with that kind of free movement and uneven arenas with clutter or whatever elements?
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The Saturn would be a better console if it had this game
Not quite a find , I made the video and own the game
The original Dinosaur Planet leaked 1 year ago and is fully playable on original hardware via Everdrive! I have it here.
This isn't important because the Saturn after 1997 wasn't Sega's future.
from a technological perspective, it is inferior to efforts from 1996, 1997.
precisely
I guess it's unfinished without dialogue or music? can be played form start to finish?
Nice goal post moving.
You only say that because of said goal post moving. Any Saturn game made after 1997 needs to be worse looking, otherwise it doesn't fit your made up scenario.
What an absurd and weird take. I was basically kidding but i guess you really think so.
Not only is fighting my favorite genre, but Saturn had Final Fight Revenge that was like Street Fighter EX2. It was awful not unlike that whole franchise.
Please, tell me this is a joke, right? I suggest you actually play the Saturn version of Tomb Raider sometime. I just love when someone pops up saying N64 games perform horribly, only to counter-argue with the worst example possible.
Everything the N64 is criticized for, it never applies to the Saturn. Games like Nights and Sonic-R have abysmal view distances. Sonic-R in particular looks so weird with it's infinite flat plain being visible over the actual 3D environments that pop-up as you play. Artistically, it just looks wrong as it makes the pop-up stand out more. And yet these games are praised to high heavens by Saturn fans. Suddenly, "fog" is not an issue anymore like it is for Turok or any other N64 game they can't mention since fog/view distances wasn't really an issue for the majority of good looking N64 games.
Thats some emulator polish and widescreen fixes. The game didnt look even close to that good back in the day. This is an actual shot from N64, low res, blurry image:
Street Fighter EX is a very good game, the combo system is one of the best in the entire seriesand the trial mode was a formidable invention because you enable the hidden characters at the same time as you learn how to play the game, those who don't like Street Fighter EX are usually reviewers unfamiliar with fighting games, it's a game that I recommend, if it were exclusive to the Sega Saturn or N64 it would have made the library of those consoles better than it was.
What part of my post is wrong? After games like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark or OOT were praised by him, he bashed the Saturn Tomb Raider for its "terrible" performance, which is on par with all of those. And yes I played it through at launch on Saturn and on PAL at that but for your convenience a DF video was already linked showing it running an unstable 20 fps with dips (again with the better visual elements I mentioned, draw distance, effects, that could theoretically be cut/optimized as they were for other ports). There are probably isolated instances it can go even lower, maybe single digit. Probably. Nobody cared, it was still a perfectly playable, great looking, great playing pioneering game of its era so, not "terrible" at all as claimed. Just like GoldenEye and Perfect Dark aren't terrible and were praised, if you look at a similar source (DF's own video about Rare's N64 classics).
Is basically the reverse of what was happening here, but somehow it's aimed at me, lmao. As if I even said anything to bash the 64 in this thread, my only other post was defending it against people's bs about the blurry image really. And literally nobody proposed the PS (or the Saturn, lmao) were more powerful than the N64 for that to be constantly the returned line of defence, that a thread about praising the N64 has become a thread about bashing others because people debated which is more powerful, lol. They didn't debate that, I didn't debate that, get real arguments and points ffs.nkarafo said:
I did not claim anything of the sort, Idk (or care to know, as it's not me, youy quoted me and you quoted nothing like you're apparently replying to) who you're talking about.Midway-AGNC- said:
It is junk made by a third party that has the misfortune of having Street Fighter attached. Combo spam does not elevate it as it sucks at basics like spacing and footsies. It can't even do tornado kicks right. I do not know how you can think it has anything on par with just Street Fighter Alpha 1 let alone better 2D instalments unless you are exclusively referring to the EX series. Hell, even Street Fighter II' has combos that make it seem lame by comparison.
There are no blurry games on the Sega Saturn, on the contrary, there are many games in high resolution.
Your sin is not knowing the Saturn or the N64 hardware . You're making the wrong assumption that the N64 can handle a version of Nights.
I think the biggest advantage of having a CD drive would be to attract more devs with better cost. That could, for sure, make the console a better seller.
Well, the CD is also a bottleneck when you consider the acces time and data stream speed. There's also the cost, the decision of going with cartridges alone made the N64 100U$ cheaper.
I gues that, to some extent, the graphics difference and art style are influenced by the tech, so it made sense.
Yeah, tekken 3 without redbook audio and without FMV is less than 30MB. They could put it on N64 with some sort of compression both in audio and textures.
That's one of the main problems. The console weren't well documented to bwgin with. The games rely on an low end software called microcode. It's sorta like an Operating system. Nintendo distributed a version of it on devkits, one with all graphics effects enabled. There were one with everything disabled, but it's use were disincouraged by Nintendo because everything wold look to ugly for them to approve. It was only latter that gen that some devs got to thinker with Microcode and got the approval to release a game with a custom solution. Those were the games that, somehow, got to reach a better performance while still looking good. I'm not familiar with the microcode myself, but I've heard that it's pretty much a mess, extremely inefficient.
Here's the problem with your logic: you're trying to use framerate as a way to equate Saturn Tomb Raider with N64 classics like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, or Super Mario 64. That's a classic case of contortionism. Sure, a single performance metric like FPS might sometimes overlap in isolated instances, but it ignores the massive difference in hardware capability between the Saturn and the N64 for 3D games. Claiming that Tomb Raider on Saturn "performs similarly" to these N64 games is misleading. N64 had a true 3D architecture, larger draw distances, texture filtering, and overall far more advanced rendering pipelines. The Saturn, on the other hand, was notoriously awkward with polygons and 3D space — even if you get a 20 FPS average in a short video clip, the system's design limitations meant it could never sustain the same scale, fluidity, or level complexity as the N64.
