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[DenchDeckard]

Sony first-party titles were after 6-12 months.



God of War was $17 after 8 months.





That's $35 for the GOTY Edition, and this included ALL of the DLC.

That's a much steeper discount.

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

 

[Topher]

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

Every publisher has sales. Nintendo is the outlier.

 

[DenchDeckard]

its very sad that these downvoting peeps thinks they can change smt just cause of 1 rotten apple who got fired? oO yet noone gives a flying f about Bethesda aka MS stuffs which was kinda worse cause of public account, but in the end play games and have a nais day ^^

100% agree. Bethesda was much worse.

Every publisher has sales. Nintendo is the outlier.

9.99 is cheap though for a game like last of us 2.

Plus im just busting his balls. Nothing serious.

 

[Topher]

100% agree. Bethesda was much worse.

9.99 is cheap though for a game like last of us 2.

Plus im just busting his balls. Nothing serious.

I get you. But yeah....$10 for a five year old game isn't uncommon. It is why folks rightfully complain about how stingy Nintendo is with game prices.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

It's not just selling price, but also the development and marketing budgets.

 

[demigod]

Sony first-party titles were after 6-12 months.



God of War was $17 after 8 months.





That's $35 for the GOTY Edition, and this included ALL of the DLC.

That's a much steeper discount.

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

This was true for the PS4 generation, but not the PS5 gen. PS5 1st party games do not go on sale quick like this.

 

[Steve Holt]

Dench derails just about every single thread with his anti Sony axe to grind.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Suckerpunch can get fucked. I was already on the fence from them using an ugly manwoman for the main character, and the gameplay in all the videos looking boring and halfassed.

With their dev doing what they did after the Charlie Kirk murder, that sealed it for me. Even moreso that they fired the dev but haven't said anything publically denouncing what was said.

 

[Gamer79]

I get you. But yeah....$10 for a five year old game isn't uncommon. It is why folks rightfully complain about how stingy Nintendo is with game prices.

BOTW a game nearly a decade old is still $60

 

[Scrawnton]

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

Wait, this is surprising new? I thought it was common knowledge that Sony's impressive sales from the PS4 era was mostly due to bundling and MASSIVE discount pricing?

Sony and Capcom announcing "Horizon Zero Dawn" or "Resident Evil Game on PC" sold 20 million copies always got side eyed from me (and others) because we know those sales were mostly from the deep deep deep ($5-$10) discounts they did for those games digitally.

 

[Signalis]

Employees quitting over their apology and making false accusations of isms against them, potentially en masse. A coordinated campaign against them by their own current and former employees, stuff like that.

Seems like the perfect opportunity for Sony to clean house to be honest. PlayStation's leash has been way to relaxed, time for Sony Japan to reign PlayStation in a bit

 

[Signalis]

I get you. But yeah....$10 for a five year old game isn't uncommon. It is why folks rightfully complain about how stingy Nintendo is with game prices.

Most of my Switch games are still selling nearly full price sometimes more than when they released. Have a lot of people lately for some reason that I know who want to buy my Astral Chain, Metroid Dread and El Shaddai for some reason, as if I'll sell them. Pretty happy that I got a physical Switch copy of Va-11 Hall-A. I fucking love the game so much

 

[Saint Boot Gaming]

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[Barakov]

Seems legit. October 8.

Same day as Yotei's release date.

 

[DForce]

So, you're literally saying Sony tanks the price of every one of their games....so really their sales are no where near as impressive as say a Nintendo. That's super interesting.

Plus, when you see people calculate the revenue of sony games they often multiply x million by 60 dollars.....thats also clearly completely incorrect.

Spider-Man - 22 million - 827m
God of War - 20.8 million - 597m
Uncharted 4 - 18.6 million - 585m
Horizon Zero Dawn - 19.2 million - 481m
The Last of Us Part II - 9.6 million - 447m
Spider-Man Miles Morales - 10.1 - 427m
The Last of Us Remastered - 18.2 million - 402m
Ghost of Tsushima - 7.6 million - 397m
Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut - 1.4m - 107m
Gran Turismo Sport - 12 million - 355m
Bloodborne - 7.4 million - 265m
Days Gone - 7.2 million - 265m
Infamous Second Son - 5 million - 173m

The total number of sales doesn't tell the entire story.

Most publishers start discounting their games after a few months.

I still remember a lot of people being surprised that last of us 2 was so cheap so quickly.

Because people wanted "proof" that the game underperformed, they made videos when its price permanently dropped to $39 after a year. Yet, no one said anything when God of War and Spider-Man dropped to $39 within 6 months.

The Last of Us Part II never "officially" dropped below 39.99. The official price stayed at 39.99 until the release of The Last of Part II Remastered.


Ghost of Yotei

I don't expect this to affect sales outside the US, which is where the majority of sales are coming from. Sony's first-party titles have a higher attach rate than the majority of 3rd party titles.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Ghost of Yotei

I don't expect this to affect sales outside the US, which is where the majority of sales are coming from. Sony's first-party titles have a higher attach rate than the majority of 3rd party titles.

overall. but by market? individual markets are smaller than the US. I don't think there is a single market as big as the US.

and i think you could see lower sales in Japan for example.

 

[CLW]

I wonder how many people here at gaf who claimed to be canceling their pre order really have or not?

Wait people still preorder?

 

[cormack12]

Debating whether an OT is worth it rn

 

[Majukun]

On one hand being from the UK and being an outsider looking in. Its hard to feel sorry for the guy when he said shit like this



Practice what the preach and all that, but on the other hand when did social media become open for people directly linked to a businesses to say shit like this?

yup, celebrating someone death is always in bad taste.
but pointing out the irony of it all because of his views on gun control I think it's fair game.

 

[StueyDuck]

On one hand being from the UK and being an outsider looking in. Its hard to feel sorry for the guy when he said shit like this



Practice what the preach and all that, but on the other hand when did social media become open for people directly linked to a businesses to say shit like this?

It's actually very easy as a human to feel sorry for someone who gets shot in the neck and now his family lost him forever especially when their only crime was having an opnion.

well it should be easy, i guess... I'm not sure what they putting in the water in the UK, but other outsiders aren't thinking "Chat shit get banged"

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

yup, celebrating someone death is always in bad taste.
but pointing out the irony of it all because of his views on gun control I think it's fair game.

So it's fair game to make jokes on all the women raped and killed by islamists that vote Left in the UK?

It's quite something.

 

[mariosbrother]

I don't censor myself based on what a handful of people state from a project that over a thousand people worked on. Or refuse to read a book because the author is conservative. I heavily disagree with the views of Orson Scott Card but I still read Ender's Game and thought it was fantastic.

In most cases like this when people highlight the tweets of a developer they disagree with it is nothing more then performative outrage, the exact same behaviour the far left and right use when somebody says something they have a problem with. I refuse to participate in banal cancel culture and my enjoyment or purchasing of media will be due to the quality of the product itself, not because a few of the hundreds of artists said something bad on social media.

Ender's Game was so good. You should check out Voyage From Yesteryear.

 

[Majukun]

So it's fair game to make jokes on all the women raped and killed by islamists that vote Left in the UK?

It's quite something.

Those women didn't say that women being raped it's a worthy price to vote left, it's a false equivalency. if under a left government rape would suddenly become legal in the UK, you would have a point.

Guy was ok in paying his second amendment rights with human lives, it just so happened that this time the life he was paying with was his own.
Too many times people are ok with paying the prices of their conviction with somebody's else currency... From on side or another.
Kind of reminds me of that Shrek line "somebody of you will die, but it is a price I am willing to pay"

 

[DForce]

overall. but by market? individual markets are smaller than the US. I don't think there is a single market as big as the US.

and i think you could see lower sales in Japan for example.

PLAYSTATION STORE

UNITED STATES
Pre-Order - 2nd (Deluxe) & 6th (Standard)
Amazon - 37th

JAPAN
Pre-order - 3rd (Deluxe) & 12th (Standard)
Amazon - 10th

GERMANY
Pre-Order - 4th & 8th
Amazon - 24th

UK
Pre-Order - 3rd & 6th
Amazon - 15th

SPAIN
Pre-Order - 5th & 10th
Amazon - 9th

It's tracking ahead of Battlefield 6 on PlayStation, and that's another blockbuster title this October

So far, it seems to be doing well.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

PLAYSTATION STORE

UNITED STATES
Pre-Order - 2nd (Deluxe) & 6th (Standard)
Amazon - 37th

JAPAN
Pre-order - 3rd (Deluxe) & 12th (Standard)
Amazon - 10th

GERMANY
Pre-Order - 4th & 8th
Amazon - 24th

UK
Pre-Order - 3rd & 6th
Amazon - 15th

SPAIN
Pre-Order - 5th & 10th
Amazon - 9th

It's tracking ahead of Battlefield 6 on PlayStation, and that's another blockbuster title this October

So far, it seems to be doing well.

how many pre-orders those positions mean?

 

[DForce]

how many pre-orders those positions mean?

Games have been tracked for years, and this is generally what we do to see how a game is performing before numbers are released.

Somehow, people can tell how a game performs based on YouTube dislikes, but this is discredited. lol

 

[SpacemanStarfighter]

It will never be enough. When I was in this thread they wanted her fired. Now she's fired and now they want Sony to say something. Sony says something to Kotaku but that's not enough they want Sony to publicly say something.

I never wanted her fired. However, a reassuring message from Sony is the bare minimum, why the hell are they silent? Microsoft did it, and Microsoft is a terrible company for a lot of reasons I can't even mention here. Sony cannot even rise to their standards.

Also, Sony didn't exactly speak to Kotaku, they replied to an e-mail by giving away as little information as they possibly could.

 

[Topher]

Those women didn't say that women being raped it's a worthy price to vote left, it's a false equivalency. if under a left government rape would suddenly become legal in the UK, you would have a point.

Guy was ok in paying his second amendment rights with human lives, it just so happened that this time the life he was paying with was his own.
Too many times people are ok with paying the prices of their conviction with somebody's else currency... From on side or another.
Kind of reminds me of that Shrek line "somebody of you will die, but it is a price I am willing to pay"

Nah....it's just a cheap gotcha. Charlie Kirk never wished for anyone to die by gun violence. People referencing this are acting like Charlie Kirk was offering up others as sacrificial lambs to keep guns legal. Charlie Kirk received death threats on a regular basis and still showed up for debates in wide open venues so clearly he was not removing himself from the possibility of gun violence. He allowed people who hated him to get in shouting distance for the purpose of discourse. So what part of this is putting the target on others and not himself? He was, by far, more likely to be attacked than the average person. Do you really think he was not aware of that?

 

[SpacemanStarfighter]

This place has gotten more political every damn day. I miss the days where you can just lurk and talk about games, occasionally see some console warring laugh and call it a day.

If you don't like politics AAA Western games are definitely not for you.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Every publisher has sales. Nintendo is the outlier.

Nintendo put Mario Kart 8 Deluxe on sale every Black Friday, plus lots of other games. To claim Nintendo never has sales is contrary to reality

 

[Topher]

To claim Nintendo never has sales

That's not what I meant

 

[Holammer]

Disney's ABC just pulled Jimmy Kimmel after 22 years of Jimmy Kimmel Live.
That's a late-night talk show, not gaming centric, but I wonder if this will signal a tougher stance in the games industry if even Disney can boot a big star just like that.

ABC Pulls ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ Indefinitely After Host’s Charlie Kirk Comments

Nexstar, one of the biggest owners o US f TV stations in, said will pre-empt Jimmy Kimmel's late night show due to the host's Charlie Kirk remarks

variety.com

 

[CLW]

Disney's ABC just pulled Jimmy Kimmel after 22 years of Jimmy Kimmel Live.
That's a late-night talk show, not gaming centric, but I wonder if this will signal a tougher stance in the games industry if even Disney can boot a big star just like that.

ABC Pulls ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ Indefinitely After Host’s Charlie Kirk Comments

Nexstar, one of the biggest owners o US f TV stations in, said will pre-empt Jimmy Kimmel's late night show due to the host's Charlie Kirk remarks

variety.com

Dude just wants a paycheck without "work" wasn't his show already announced being cancelled before this

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Games have been tracked for years, and this is generally what we do to see how a game is performing before numbers are released.

Poor way of trying to change the subject buddy, but that wasn't my question. In fact, I wasn't the one who brought pre-order position into the equation. I was talking about sales, champ

Somehow, people can tell how a game performs based on YouTube dislikes, but this is discredited. lol

did I discredit it? the PR situation of this game is just atrocious.

1.Mid, boring. DLC-esque vibes: Been there done that kind of game
2.Female protagonist / revenge story
3. dev mocking the assesination/boycott- deslike ration and comments under the official videos and posts.


you are saying that the sale are not going to be affected OUTSIDE U.S. so, you are saying sales ARE going to be affected in the US.... which is the most important/bigger market.
What I'm pointing out is that, given other markets are smaller than the US, the cumulative international sales are more likely to be higher, but in general this game will comercially underperform.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Dude just wants a paycheck without "work" wasn't his show already announced being cancelled before this

No, Colbert was cancelled officialy for $ reasons.

 

[CLW]

No, Colbert was cancelled officialy for $ reasons.

 

[Orbital2060]

Disney's ABC just pulled Jimmy Kimmel after 22 years of Jimmy Kimmel Live.
That's a late-night talk show, not gaming centric, but I wonder if this will signal a tougher stance in the games industry if even Disney can boot a big star just like that.

ABC Pulls ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ Indefinitely After Host’s Charlie Kirk Comments

Nexstar, one of the biggest owners o US f TV stations in, said will pre-empt Jimmy Kimmel's late night show due to the host's Charlie Kirk remarks

variety.com

Isnt that just the end of television broadcasting as we know it. Nobody watches CNN for news anymore either. Its all podcasts and social media.

 

[PauloRoberto]

That is another discussion [btw, I agree].

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Poor way of trying to change the subject buddy, but that wasn't my question. In fact, I wasn't the one who brought pre-order position into the equation. I was talking about sales, champ

His other main mistake is using relative metrics to project absolute performance. Not surprised that he's doing it again...

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

His other main mistake is using relative metrics to project absolute performance. Not surprised that he's doing it again...

yeah, this show that the Sony defense force can be as retarded as the Xbox one (not the console) especially when reality is not on their side.

 

[SpacemanStarfighter]

I was against cancel culture when the libs were in power and I'm against it now too. I'm against it as a principle.

Some people have principles. Others are just partisan hacks who repeat the best talking points for their team.

I'm a leftist but I was against the woke cancel culture, nevertheless, I'm OK with people getting fired for celebrating. Unironically, this is not cancel culture, it's consequence culture. They are not being fired because they supported Kamala Harris, they are not being fired because they wore an Obama t-shirt, they are not being fired because they shouted "Black Power!", they're not being fired for being an atheist, They're being fired over something awful they did, not an opinion or a belief.

Now, there is a form of cancel culture from the right that I don't support, and it's the cancel culture towards the people who are against the Gaza genocide. Protesting against something the government is doing or facilitating should be always allowed.

You people expecting the company to come out and support "your side" by apologizing need to get over yourselves. And even worse, you want the entire company to go under because of this one idiot.

Nobody is expecting the company to apologize to any "side", they're expecting the company to do the bare minimum to be part of a civil society.

No, that is very deliberate

It 100% is. The way they they blatant lie and gaslight is almost scary.

 

[CLW]

That is another discussion [btw, I agree].

Yeah obviously don't watch either knew one of them was already cancelled and just assumed it was him bowing out early so that leaves just Fallon as a late night "comedy" show

 

[Gamer79]

Jimmy Kimmel woke tonight show host fired for Kirk comments. Love it !

 

[Bernardougf]

See sony... its not that fucking hard.. retards

And wow.. even a disney subsidiary doing this.. is kinda of shocking honestly

 

[SpiceRacz]

Wait, is GAF American? I need to know. I only buy American and chat on American message boards.

 

[kikii]

Joke from above

[https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...unch-dev-fired.1688101/page-77#post-270815546

still dont get it

 

[DForce]

Poor way of trying to change the subject buddy, but that wasn't my question. In fact, I wasn't the one who brought pre-order position into the equation. I was talking about sales, champ


did I discredit it? the PR situation of this game is just atrocious.

1.Mid, boring. DLC-esque vibes: Been there done that kind of game
2.Female protagonist / revenge story
3. dev mocking the assesination/boycott- deslike ration and comments under the official videos and posts.


you are saying that the sale are not going to be affected OUTSIDE U.S. so, you are saying sales ARE going to be affected in the US.... which is the most important/bigger market.
What I'm pointing out is that, given other markets are smaller than the US, the cumulative international sales are more likely to be higher, but in general this game will comercially underperform.

I'm not changing the subject. Right after I listed the pre-order sales charts, you asked me, "How many pre-orders those positions mean?"

You want to know the sales of Ghost of Yotei based on pre-order charts, but sales numbers are irrelevant when looking at YouTube dislikes and comments.

NPD, Circana, Famitsu, UK, and Europe sales charts have been posted here for more than 10 years. We often determine how well a game is doing based on the position of the sales chart more than actual numbers.

YouTube dislikes don't tell us anything. PlayStation Portal and PlayStation 5 Pro videos were heavily disliked, but both devices were successful. Assassin's Creed Shadows received more backlash than Dragon Age, but Assassin's Creed performed better.

you are saying that the sale are not going to be affected OUTSIDE U.S. so, you are saying sales ARE going to be affected in the US.... which is the most important/bigger market.

I'm not sure if you realized this, but ANYTHING can affect sales.

People think Spider-Man 2 is too woke.
Reee refused to buy Hogwarts Legacy
Cyberpunk 2077's sales were affected because they launched an unfinished game.
PC sales are affected due to bad ports.

Just because something can discourage a certain group of gamers from buying the game, it doesn't mean it will have a huge impact on overall sales.

Only a small portion of gamers are going around disliking videos. Most are probably from people who have no interest in the game at all.

That's why YouTube dislikes doesn't tell us a damn thing..

 

[PauloRoberto]

Yeah obviously don't watch either knew one of them was already cancelled and just assumed it was him bowing out early so that leaves just Fallon as a late night "comedy" show

If im being honest, Fallon was always the most harmless late night presenter... that and the fact that he already interviewed Gutfeld some weeks ago show me that he is already seeing that hard left is NOT a good path to follow at this day and age.

 

[Topher]

still dont get it

 

[kikii]

I wonder how many people here at gaf who claimed to be canceling their pre order really have or not?

i pre-ordered it and wont cancel it cause of 1 rotten tomato =)