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[Unknown Soldier]

No JK made it her entire existence because the lunatics had taken over the asylum and everyone was afraid to speak up, the backlash she received for speaking common sense that the majority of the world adheres too made her double down, id say the reason there's so much kickback is because the lunatics wanted the world to change, before all this shit Trans people simply got on with their lives and the majority of people treated them indifferently but the shit hit the fan when they wanted us to change our ways & views and that's not how the world works

She was the only one with enough wealth and influence that she was able to say how she felt and not be immediately canceled out of existence

Despite this it still took an enormous amount of actual real courage to stand up and speak her mind on it and they predictably tried desperately to cancel her out of existence

Today we can look back and realize she was right about everything and the world owes her apologies that can never be enough for how they treated her

 

[Hudo]

I mean the whole world is a bit limited by the point of view of a teenage boy.

"The most powerful wizard in the world" is an old British guy headmaster of a middle/high school
"The most evil wizard in the world" happens to be his former student.

And the whole war between good and evil is done in that same school, while most of the teenagers fight known murderers who escaped from prison. So of course the teenage girl would end up with one of her classmates, it's not like 15 years later she would end up with a certain "Marcus" she met at work.

It's like going by yourself at 10 to catch dangerous wild creatures to aim to become a "Master".

But with fucking Ron. RON! And then Harry gets Ginny. Like what the fuck, man.

 

[The Cockatrice]

But with fucking Ron. RON! And then Harry gets Ginny. Like what the fuck, man.

Agreed. Ron and Ginny banging would've been better.

 

[MarV0]

You guys are actually supporting JK Rowling, a vile feminist man-hater? Just grab some popcorn and...

 

[StueyDuck]

Rowling's not wrong; Watson is clearly just playing into whatever the current opinion is, so she can remain relevant.

That's a pretty big tell of her character and who she is.

 

[jason10mm]

This episode makes SOOOOO much more sense in the era of memes within memes within memes...

 

[Toons]

No JK made it her entire existence because the lunatics had taken over the asylum and everyone was afraid to speak up, the backlash she received for speaking common sense that the majority of the world adheres too made her double down, id say the reason there's so much kickback is because the lunatics wanted the world to change, before all this shit Trans people simply got on with their lives and the majority of people treated them indifferently

Lmao we both know that last part isn't true. And still isn't true.

You are clearly not able to view this from an objective standpoint because you're already firmly on JKs side.

Mosf people on your side *hated* JK before this; because despite her stances on trans people she's very much still firmly "woke" in every other regard. Pro race swapping, pro LGBT characters and pro diversity.

And likewise, the other side used to like her for those very reasons. Now both have flip flopped on this issue.

JK herself isn't someone treating trans people with indifference, whether you agree with her or not. She's never been one to not speak up despite controversy, and thats why she was outspoken when she made Gandalf gay and so on. Thats been consistent about her. But she can no longer claim "indifference" after specifically trying to influence governmental action on this, that's straight up activism, and yes trying to change the world.

 

[John Bilbo]

she made Gandalf gay

Hehe. Got a good laugh out of this one whether intentional or not. Thank you.

 

[12Goblins]

Thing is Wittgenstein is, rightly, pointing out that different domains of language has different modes of inherent logic - what he doesn't claim is that there is a right or wrong way to use language according to context*. So where are you getting that from?

*As in: "it's okay for someone to understand a person from a biological perspective in a medical setting, but wrong in a social one.

I'm confused. You're correct that he says there's no ultimate authority that tells "this is how the word must be used in biology, and how it must be used in social context, etc" (he is not a prescriptivist) but just that each language game has its own grammar and all we can do is say "this is how they people play the game there, this is how it's played there" etc

I'm confused about what you mean in the last part. Is it something I said or how I characterized witts views?

 

[jason10mm]

Mosf people on your side *hated* JK before this; because despite her stances on trans people she's very much still firmly "woke" in every other regard. Pro race swapping, pro LGBT characters and pro diversity.

And likewise, the other side used to like her for those very reasons. Now both have flip flopped on this issue.

JK herself isn't someone treating trans people with indifference, whether you agree with her or not. She's never been one to not speak up despite controversy, and thats why she was outspoken when she made Gandalf gay and so on. Thats been consistent about her. But she can no longer claim "indifference" after specifically trying to influence governmental action on this, that's straight up activism, and yes trying to change the world.

These are good points, JKR got a lot of heat for the "Dumbledore is gay" comment, both because it's COMPLETELY absent in the books, and, if anything, it makes his "private tutoring" of Harry where he sticks his head into a bowl of magic fluid and Harry kinda zones out for a while EXTREMELY CREEPY. I'm not really one to praise JKR for her writing, it's pretty clear she is just making shit up as she goes along with virtually no subtlety or foreshadowing, so if Dumbledore was "always gay" then she did a really bad job writing it. But then again, sexuality is invisible without deliberate and specific tells and actions, which is what makes it such an odd thing to mandate as part of "diversity".

The "Hermione is black" casting for the play is equally silly, given how the character is written and even drawn, by JKR herself, to be white. But I think the real issue with the play was just that the actress wasn't particularly attractive and folks just like jonesing for a cutie (much like the Romeo and Juliet play with Tom Holland). Though they have stuck by that casting choice for NINE actresses, across different countries, so clearly it isn't about "the best actress for the part" but a "Hermione is gonna be black forever" choice, probably because they don't want a white actress to take on the role and hear all the "ABOUT DAMNED TIME" cheers from the audience.

So in a sense I think JKR is willing to ease her "vision", such as it is, in order to keep HP feeling relevant and profitable. But she has her limits and the trans thing is one of them. I don't think she would even object to a trans character (or trans actor), though that makes even less sense in a world of transformative magic, but she WOULD object to boys with dicks showing up in the girls locker rooms (no objection to the pervy girl ghost in the boys sauna though......). HP is really de-sexed, which was appropriate up till about book 3 or so, then the notion these teens in life or death struggles wouldn't be banging left and right becomes a bit silly. Still, it's a conscious choice to remove sexuality from the books and that should extend to LGBTBBQ stuff as well IMHO.

 

[RJMacready73]

Lmao we both know that last part isn't true. And still isn't true.

You are clearly not able to view this from an objective standpoint because you're already firmly on JKs side.

Mosf people on your side *hated* JK before this; because despite her stances on trans people she's very much still firmly "woke" in every other regard. Pro race swapping, pro LGBT characters and pro diversity.

And likewise, the other side used to like her for those very reasons. Now both have flip flopped on this issue.

JK herself isn't someone treating trans people with indifference, whether you agree with her or not. She's never been one to not speak up despite controversy, and thats why she was outspoken when she made Gandalf gay and so on. Thats been consistent about her. But she can no longer claim "indifference" after specifically trying to influence governmental action on this, that's straight up activism, and yes trying to change the world.

I don't have a side chap, i flip flop hard right and hard left depending on the issue but mainly i cruise right down the center and i most certainly did not hate JK before all this nonsense, i was at all of the midnight events @ bookstores buying my copy along with the ex when the HP mania properly kicked off and have been a fan ever since and have fully indoctrinated my kids into all things HP and this was long before the whole trans activism kicked off and ruined it for actual Trans people.

You all need to stop equating her sticking up for actual womens rights and using her money and influence to fight for single sex spaces as someone who deliberately targets Trans people. Trans Women are fucking men, end of, there's no discussion to be had. They may feel like a women, they may think like a women and they may have certain neurological or chemical imbalances that make them more feminine but just because they dye their hair purple and put on a flowery dress doesn't somehow make them not men and as such they don't belong in women's sports or in areas where they would make women uncomfortable, i know that that's hard for some people to accept but just because you all yell Genocide on Twitter doesn't mean the rest of us give a shit

 

[Kilau]

Hehe. Got a good laugh out of this one whether intentional or not. Thank you.

 

[RJMacready73]

These are good points, JKR got a lot of heat for the "Dumbledore is gay" comment, both because it's COMPLETELY absent in the books, and, if anything, it makes his "private tutoring" of Harry where he sticks his head into a bowl of magic fluid and Harry kinda zones out for a while EXTREMELY CREEPY. I'm not really one to praise JKR for her writing, it's pretty clear she is just making shit up as she goes along with virtually no subtlety or foreshadowing, so if Dumbledore was "always gay" then she did a really bad job writing it. But then again, sexuality is invisible without deliberate and specific tells and actions, which is what makes it such an odd thing to mandate as part of "diversity".

The "Hermione is black" casting for the play is equally silly, given how the character is written and even drawn, by JKR herself, to be white. But I think the real issue with the play was just that the actress wasn't particularly attractive and folks just like jonesing for a cutie (much like the Romeo and Juliet play with Tom Holland). Though they have stuck by that casting choice for NINE actresses, across different countries, so clearly it isn't about "the best actress for the part" but a "Hermione is gonna be black forever" choice, probably because they don't want a white actress to take on the role and hear all the "ABOUT DAMNED TIME" cheers from the audience.

So in a sense I think JKR is willing to ease her "vision", such as it is, in order to keep HP feeling relevant and profitable. But she has her limits and the trans thing is one of them. I don't think she would even object to a trans character (or trans actor), though that makes even less sense in a world of transformative magic, but she WOULD object to boys with dicks showing up in the girls locker rooms (no objection to the pervy girl ghost in the boys sauna though......). HP is really de-sexed, which was appropriate up till about book 3 or so, then the notion these teens in life or death struggles wouldn't be banging left and right becomes a bit silly. Still, it's a conscious choice to remove sexuality from the books and that should extend to LGBTBBQ stuff as well IMHO.

How is Dumbledore being Gay (JK is fully within her rights to retcon any characters sexuality) and being alone with Harry extremely creepy?? WTF man, are you equating Gay people with a certain something cause if you are you may as well have the balls to say it and stop prancing around the issue cause that's some fucked up backward thinking

 

[jason10mm]

How is Dumbledore being Gay (JK is fully within her rights to retcon any characters sexuality) and being alone with Harry extremely creepy?? WTF man, are you equating Gay people with a certain something cause if you are you may as well have the balls to say it and stop prancing around the issue cause that's some fucked up backward thinking

I'd say the chances of Harry being molested by his older male mentor and teacher, who is ALSO zoning him out in private, is about 100000000000x more likely with a gay older man than it would be with a straight older man. How would you feel if a straight male principle who has no wife or even a girlfriend was taking random 15 year old girls into his office for a "private tutoring session" where they were getting spaced out in a pensive bowl AND he has access to all sorts of drugs....errr, magic and potions and shit that focuses on forgetting? ABSOLUTELY SUSS!!!

It isn't backwards thinking, it's playing the odds and reading the room. Move on with your fake outrage.

 

[RJMacready73]

I'd say the chances of Harry being molested by his older male mentor and teacher, who is ALSO zoning him out in private, is about 100000000000x more likely with a gay older man than it would be with a straight older man. How would you feel if a straight male principle who has no wife or even a girlfriend was taking random 15 year old girls into his office for a "private tutoring session" where they were getting spaced out in a pensive bowl AND he has access to all sorts of drugs....errr, magic and potions and shit that focuses on forgetting? ABSOLUTELY SUSS!!!

It isn't backwards thinking, it's playing the odds and reading the room. Move on with your fake outrage.

Mate id have a wee look in the mirror, maybe throw some of your outrage this way.. https://goppredators.wordpress.com/ it aint the gays you need to be worried about

 

[jason10mm]

Mate id have a wee look in the mirror, maybe throw some of your outrage this way.. https://goppredators.wordpress.com/ it aint the gays you need to be worried about

You are TOTALLY missing the point. Not sure how American political affiliation translates to fantasy England either, but you reach for whatever straws you can. You can just keep on sidestepping that I say a straight man in a room with a teen girl in the same fashion would be equally creepy as well, I know you are drowning on this one, go paddle for that life preserver I'm throwing you.

 

[RJMacready73]

You are TOTALLY missing the point. Not sure how American political affiliation translates to fantasy England either, but you reach for whatever straws you can. You can just keep on sidestepping that I say a straight man in a room with a teen girl in the same fashion would be equally creepy as well, I know you are drowning on this one, go paddle for that life preserver I'm throwing you.

Ah so now we're bringing in single men and teen girls into it now.. keep moving those goalposts, stay away from Pizza basements mate

 

[jason10mm]

Ah so now we're bringing in single men and teen girls into it now.. keep moving those goalposts, stay away from Pizza basements mate

?????? Dude, I made a comment. You asked for clarification, which I provided. The only goal posts moving are the ones being dropped on your head.

 

[Bojji]

I doubt it, didn't that dude had a micropenis or somethin?

Yeah, he is deformed or something.

He still had fingers!

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

it makes his "private tutoring" of Harry where he sticks his head into a bowl of magic fluid and Harry kinda zones out for a while EXTREMELY CREEPY.

this is a supremely weird thing to say bruv, goddamn.

 

[Toons]

I don't have a side chap, i flip flop hard right and hard left depending on the issue but mainly i cruise right down the center and i most certainly did not hate JK before all this nonsense, i was at all of the midnight events @ bookstores buying my copy along with the ex when the HP mania properly kicked off and have been a fan ever since and have fully indoctrinated my kids into all things HP and this was long before the whole trans activism kicked off and ruined it for actual Trans people.

You all need to stop equating her sticking up for actual womens rights and using her money and influence to fight for single sex spaces as someone who deliberately targets Trans people.

You mena unless the woman disagrees with her? Like the one this very topic is about? Then she has no problem attacking women lmao.


You do have a side, on this issue, ns you stated it quite clearly. You side with JK Rowling and so you're justifying snd downplaying her every action. This has gone far past just being about "women's spaces"(another left wing idea that gets absolutelt shat on here in any other context). Idk why this is being denied, even JK isn't pretending for this to just be about women's spaces anymore, and there's going to be people who are going to not agree with her on that.

 

[BigBeauford]

Are we allowed to discuss politics or nah

Making the existence of women's spaces political was the first fuck up.

 

[Senua]

 

[MHubert]

I'm confused. You're correct that he says there's no ultimate authority that tells "this is how the word must be used in biology, and how it must be used in social context, etc" (he is not a prescriptivist) but just that each language game has its own grammar and all we can do is say "this is how they people play the game there, this is how it's played there" etc

I'm confused about what you mean in the last part. Is it something I said or how I characterized witts views?

Had to re read the thread. Sorry, I mistook one of your first posts. My bad.

 

[diffusionx]

Why? If she is not qualified to talk on things she knows nothing about, then just shut the fuck up! This is the problem with these actors/actresses- they feel the need to speak on things that have zero impact on their lives or they have no knowledge of yet in trying to sound virtuous they feel the need to speak up to maybe gain some points with someone within their Hollywood movie space bubble... I don't get it. And all of it comes across as so disingenuous. Plain and simple- just shut the fuck up if you have no idea what you're on about. So no, no grace for her or any fucking person talking about stuff they know nothing about.

And JK deserved this moment to speak some much needed truth about these idiots.

Because everyone deserves grace? Because everyone makes mistakes that they regret and realize it's too late to fix?

Like I said, her decisions clearly cost her an important relationship in her life. She's paying a price for it.

 

[jason10mm]

this is a supremely weird thing to say bruv, goddamn.

go re-visit those chapters with the knowledge that Dumbledore is a gay man who hasn't had any action in probably years because Professor McGonagall has been watching him like a hawk and now he has this vulnerable youth at his mercy....reads real different.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

now he has this vulnerable youth at his mercy....reads real different.

Supremely weird bruv, jfc.

 

[MacReady13]

Because everyone deserves grace? Because everyone makes mistakes that they regret and realize it's too late to fix?

Of course people deserve some grace. In this instance though, we ALL fucking know she is talking out of her arse. Either she never truly believed what she was saying before and is trying to backtrack or she is trying to keep both camps happy right now AFTER throwing JK under a massive bus and directly or indirectly putting her life at risk. Just say what you fucking truly believe in and feel and be done with it! It is why I appreciate people like James Woods more than most Hollywood types- agree with him or not he is speaking HIS truth and damned be to anyone who questions his authenticity.