kevboard
Member
yeah. third party drivers only exist because first party drivers either don't exist at all, or are neglected.
so I wouldn't see that as a positive either lol
Switching to Bazzite from Windows 11
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yeah. third party drivers only exist because first party drivers either don't exist at all, or are neglected.
so I wouldn't see that as a positive either lol
Unknown?
Member
The only way for it to get rid of telemetry is getting a modified version, the ameliorated version. Otherwise it will still be phoning home with a simple look at wireshark.what restrictions do you have on Windows? you can change almost anything, even down to the desktop environment if you want to.
this is one right here as an example:
you can replace the default file explorer of you want to, with a third party one like File Pilot for example:
you can easily deactivate all the telemetry as well.
it's really like people just ignore that you can modify Windows and think you have to use the default vanilla Windows 11 and have zero alternatives.
again,
if you think you can handle Linux, you can also handle modifying Windows.
so there's no real reason to switch, unless you do it as a hobby in and of itself.
but if you want a gaming system, Linux is absolutely ass on a gaming dektop or laptop.
As for the rest, it's nice, but you can't modify the OS yourself and you're relying on Microsoft employees to be smarter than the rest of the world for security.
Regardless I could come up with a list like you did pointing out how Linux is better as well. Everything you posted could be countered and whatever you countered could be countered again so it's a pointless circular discussion.
I'm sure for some case uses it isn't as good as Windows for gaming but for what I play there's no problems. I guess if you have the most demanding games it could be worse.
Doom_master1122
Member
That can go the other way too.
My latest PC build I put together about a year ago. I have an Asus motherboard (Forget the exact model at the moment), Ryzen 9 7950x3D and an AMD 7900XTX. I installed windows 11 to get my RGB configured and anything additional that I wouldn't have the exact controls for on Linux (Or not in ways I want).
On a fresh install of Windows, it did not pull a single driver for almost anything, network drivers, audio drivers, any of the base functions. Despite being plugged in via ethernet (which it didn't seem to have seen the port). I spent quite a while USB'ing drivers to bring back network connection, and manually installing everything that was missing.
Meanwhile on a separate spare PC I have, the Windows install was perfectly fine and pulled everything I needed.
After everything was done, I installed Arch Linux and wiped out windows on this new PC. It booted to the desktop, everything worked no configurations or drivers needed.
Mean while that spare PC that took Windows flawlessly? Linux on there came without audio and was a complete pain to get working.
So yeah, Again. To quote my self from before.
Edit: This right here: Exactly this.
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Topher
Identifies as young
That's the crux of the problem. I like Linux, even with all its quirks, but I just can't justify sacrificing gaming performance for it. Until Linux can solve its driver problem with Nvidia, I'm going to have to stick with Windows. That's the conclusion I've come to every time I try the Linux side again.
Comandr
Member
I am taking the opportunity to speak to windows complainers in general, rather than target a specific person in this post.
I keep seeing these threads and everyone says windows 11 is the bogeyman. Maybe I'M doing it wrong because I just don't see it.
Shift+F10 during initial windows setup on first boot to open command prompt. Type OOBE\BYPASSNRO.
Create local user only.
Run christitus from powershell. Adjust settings to taste.
Done.
Not signing in with a MS account avoids a ton of their harassment. Chris Titus cuts out all of the bloat and curbs windows updates so it doesn't come back.
Are people not doing this? All I hear over and over is "windows is bad!!!!!!1
" but nothing being done to fix it. If you think running oobe and christitus is annoying and you shouldn't have to, wake up fam that's your whole life on Linux. Finding hacky solutions to literally every problem.
Most of the world runs windows. So most software is built with that in mind. Like it or not, windows is actually really great for gaming. A huge amount of driver support, customization, and you CAN extract really good performance out of windows.
Even just understanding how your power states work helps. Emulating? Emulation is often very CPU heavy. Setting your power plan to high performance pushes more juice to the CPU. Playing a GPU intensive game? Try efficiency mode; that dials back on the CPU and gives more power to the GPU. These benefits are especially large on handheld or power constrained devices.
There are a million processes and programs that often set themselves to run at startup. Every game launcher ever, discord, afterburner, RTSS, these things add up. Turn that shit off.
Microsoft's new gaming "full screen mode" that allegedly is a godsend for these gaming handhelds? All it does is turn off all of those fuckin startup services so your system runs cleaner and frees up resources.
Set your services to manual. Turn off start up programs. They will open when you want them. You don't need ALL of them running all of the time. Physically clean the fuckin thing. Dirty computers thermal throttle and run poorly. Take some responsibility for your situation with your computer.
As someone who has repaired and worked with computers as a profession for many years, I guarantee most of your issues are self inflicted.
Linux has the potential to be a good alternative. But it's still in its infancy. Once more support is there, and you don't have to jerry rig literally everything, then fine.
Hopefully some of this general knowledge can help someone.
I keep seeing these threads and everyone says windows 11 is the bogeyman. Maybe I'M doing it wrong because I just don't see it.
Shift+F10 during initial windows setup on first boot to open command prompt. Type OOBE\BYPASSNRO.
Create local user only.
Run christitus from powershell. Adjust settings to taste.
Done.
Not signing in with a MS account avoids a ton of their harassment. Chris Titus cuts out all of the bloat and curbs windows updates so it doesn't come back.
Are people not doing this? All I hear over and over is "windows is bad!!!!!!1
" but nothing being done to fix it. If you think running oobe and christitus is annoying and you shouldn't have to, wake up fam that's your whole life on Linux. Finding hacky solutions to literally every problem.Most of the world runs windows. So most software is built with that in mind. Like it or not, windows is actually really great for gaming. A huge amount of driver support, customization, and you CAN extract really good performance out of windows.
Even just understanding how your power states work helps. Emulating? Emulation is often very CPU heavy. Setting your power plan to high performance pushes more juice to the CPU. Playing a GPU intensive game? Try efficiency mode; that dials back on the CPU and gives more power to the GPU. These benefits are especially large on handheld or power constrained devices.
There are a million processes and programs that often set themselves to run at startup. Every game launcher ever, discord, afterburner, RTSS, these things add up. Turn that shit off.
Microsoft's new gaming "full screen mode" that allegedly is a godsend for these gaming handhelds? All it does is turn off all of those fuckin startup services so your system runs cleaner and frees up resources.
Set your services to manual. Turn off start up programs. They will open when you want them. You don't need ALL of them running all of the time. Physically clean the fuckin thing. Dirty computers thermal throttle and run poorly. Take some responsibility for your situation with your computer.
As someone who has repaired and worked with computers as a profession for many years, I guarantee most of your issues are self inflicted.
Linux has the potential to be a good alternative. But it's still in its infancy. Once more support is there, and you don't have to jerry rig literally everything, then fine.
Hopefully some of this general knowledge can help someone.
pudel
Member
Why not...is that a mental thing? If a game runs well, it runs well. Where is the difference having 80fps or 100fps? I wouldnt be able to even recognize this....unless you are always gaming with these diagnosis tools on. I stopped that long ago...its sooo distracting, its not even funny anymore. I use it only when a game does have a serious recognizable problem.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Basic drivers are not tweaks, workarounds or stuff like that. The same way some drivers can be "missing" on Linux after a clean install or not working properly or missing features and for that last 2 there is nothing we can do about except wait for a good soul to fix it.
Topher
Identifies as young
I want drivers that enable all the features that the GPU provides whether that is Nvidia or AMD or Intel, first and foremost. But yeah, if I'm sacrificing 20fps then that's going to be a much bigger problem when the game would otherwise run at 50-60fps.
kevboard
Member
so... you have to modify it... like I said you should have no issue doing if you consider Linux.
well, Windows defender is pretty good. and I rather rely on a massive company that has something to lose over open source software made by hobbyists for security.
there's quite literally no reason to switch to Linux for gaming. it's always a downgrade in compatibility.
the only use case that has some merit it on Handhelds, as bazzite is lighter than Windows, which actually has an impact on super low power devices... but that's about it.
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pudel
Member
Okay, below 60 fps it can become a problem...agreed. (just dont have this very often)
Doom_master1122
Member
Here's hoping that Nvidia one day figures it out on Linux. It's gotten better, but not by much. Its a large reason I went AMD on my latest build. The Radeon 7900XTX performs fantastically. Only problem being my stunted Raytracing performance, which is more an AMD issue. Its not entirely awful, as lately I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 with its DLC at 5120x1440 with Maxed visual settings, but Medium RT. Having XeSS do a large amount of the carrying (I get slightly better performance and visuals compared to FSR? Maybe I'm imagining things?).
Topher
Identifies as young
Is Nvidia even trying? I read they hired that guy who was working on Linux drivers. I'm not sure if that was a good thing or bad though. I'm pretty much staying in the Nvidia camp, unfortunately. I just think it is a superior product for gaming. I'm no fanboy. I genuinely wish that wasn't the case. Maybe one day.
Poppinfresh
Member
That's a fair point.
When I last seriously looked into it, Gamescope and HDR weren't working on NVIDIA 90% of the time and when they did work, it was really a crap shoot with performance.
I have a 5090. If I could get a solid 60fps in most games with HDR and Ray Tracing (which I can do on Windows), I might consider checking out Linux again on my HTPC
Doom_master1122
Member
I use Niri. I moved off DE's for Window Managers. Gaming doesnt always play nice when the WM is trying to force a game to tile. Gamescope on the other hand has been a god send for me.
I haven't checked in a while but last time I saw, the Nvidia Panel on Linux has been the same one since the early 2000s, which doesn't really allow for much in terms of configuration and over all usability. I just don't think Nvidia cares enough at the moment. Just more so making sure their drivers are "up to date" and leave it at that. Bare bones.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Been there done that. For gaming,I'll stick with windows.
Hero_Select
Member
They won't. They aren't even making the effort to because they have zero incentive to support an OS with 4% userbase
pudel
Member
Thats why my next system will be full AMD...yep! After decades of Intel/Nvidia.
Tams
Member
Honestly, to rile up Linux people, all you need to do is say that [name] distribution is the best and only one to use.
If you want them to get into fisticuffs, say that [name] DE is the only one, or if you want pistols at dawn: kernel version.
Oh, I forgot, which repositories to use. Or how about Flatpak vs Snaps?
If you want them to get into fisticuffs, say that [name] DE is the only one, or if you want pistols at dawn: kernel version.
Oh, I forgot, which repositories to use. Or how about Flatpak vs Snaps?
Topher
Identifies as young
The duplication of effort in the Linux community is one of the biggest hindrances to progress, imo. That's the key idea behind open source at the same time. Paradoxical
th4tguy
Member
Step 1: switch to linux in a nerd rage
Step 2: fix all the fkn issues with getting linux to work with your current rig
Step 3: fix all the issues with your game library running on
Step 4: realize you still need windows to play some/ most of the games you care about
Step 5: fight with setting up Proton/ Wine to play your Windows games
Step 6: setup dual boot so you can play the games still with issues, on Windows without issues
Step 7: Transition back to only booting up Windows to play your games.
Step 8: Go back to complaining about Windows on the internet and claim to switch to Linux in protest
Step 2: fix all the fkn issues with getting linux to work with your current rig
Step 3: fix all the issues with your game library running on
Step 4: realize you still need windows to play some/ most of the games you care about
Step 5: fight with setting up Proton/ Wine to play your Windows games
Step 6: setup dual boot so you can play the games still with issues, on Windows without issues
Step 7: Transition back to only booting up Windows to play your games.
Step 8: Go back to complaining about Windows on the internet and claim to switch to Linux in protest
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notseqi
Gold Member
Was Ventoy mentioned for preparing bootable USB-sticks? You 'install' it on a USB-Stick, making it bootable. Then you just chuck a few downloaded OS-isos on it and you can select the one you want to install. Getting a feel for different Linux versions made real easy, and it's easier and faster to install than Windows.
kevboard
Member
you forgot the step where they absolutely refuse to even try to take the 30min it takes to modify Windows to get rid of the stuff they don't like.
Crayon
Member
Or install it and log into steam. Your choice.
b0uncyfr0
Member
I dual boot.
Honestly, if i could use anything like rewasd on linux, id reconsider. Heck, remaping software is so infantile on linux that ive considered making a UI with one of the good backends. Noone should be digging through config files setting up double taps, holds etc. Its quite bad.
Also, there is a learning curve, proton, proton-ge, lutris, prefixes - it took me a good month to get a grasp on it.
Honestly, if i could use anything like rewasd on linux, id reconsider. Heck, remaping software is so infantile on linux that ive considered making a UI with one of the good backends. Noone should be digging through config files setting up double taps, holds etc. Its quite bad.
Also, there is a learning curve, proton, proton-ge, lutris, prefixes - it took me a good month to get a grasp on it.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If I may reiterate how bad windows 11 dumpsters editing has become compared to gaming on steam os or basil.
You guys are way overstating how bad gaming on Linux is. So long as you don't play certain GaaS games the vast majority of games should run without issues. Performance isn't significantly worse either, and might even be better in some cases if you're on AMD hardware.
Bazzite is a legitimately good alternative to Windows if you want a console-like computer setup for your TV. If you want to do desktop gaming however, Windows is still king. I would only go Linux if you have other reasons to do so besides gaming.
Bazzite is a legitimately good alternative to Windows if you want a console-like computer setup for your TV. If you want to do desktop gaming however, Windows is still king. I would only go Linux if you have other reasons to do so besides gaming.
GHG
Member
Yep from my experience gaming on the Steam deck I haven't found anything that I actually want to play that won't run.
Unless you're a GAAS junkie (COD, FIFA, Battlefield, etc) then it's worth giving bazzite or CachyOS a try to see how it runs on your system and whether or not you can get the desired performace out of games.
Ive been using bazzite exclusively for a couple of months but had to go back to windows 11 simply because some games required tinkering with and frankly I couldn't be arsed with it. That and BF6 simply won't work. One thing that strikes me though is the display output from bazzite was infinitely better than windows. Its night and day. I cant for the life of me figure out why it's so bad in windows. Im using an oled and im on windows now, the output is very, very poor. It was crystal clear in bazzite, super sharp, very stable. Looked incredible honestly
TwiztidElf
Member
I'm not a big PC gamer, but I've been running Linux Mint for a couple of years no problem.
Older rig, nVidia GTX 1050 Ti
The only issue I've had with games is initial config and getting the right version of Proton in Steam for the game. Once up and running, it's completely fine.
Run everything through Steam, including BattleNet and Starcraft2.
Older rig, nVidia GTX 1050 Ti
The only issue I've had with games is initial config and getting the right version of Proton in Steam for the game. Once up and running, it's completely fine.
Run everything through Steam, including BattleNet and Starcraft2.
I noticed that too regarding the display output. The picture seems sharper and the colours more vibrant. I assumed it was just confrmation bias. I do find Bazzite more modern and prettier with KDE than Windows.
existensmaximum
Member
Linux, a replacement for Windows that's "almost there" but not quite, since forever. I swear I've seen the contents of this thread and this exact discussion from time to time for at least 25 years.
Edit: Chill out Linux guys! I'm not stating an opinion, only presenting my observations. I myself use both Linux, Windows and MacOS, Jesus. There are clear advantages and disadvantages to all operating systems, which should be obvious to everyone.
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alabtrosMyster
Member
Two main reasons for me:
1 - It's really annoying with the whole upselling MS services (one drive, office 365, gamepass, etc.)
2 - It's really annying in wanting you to use an MS account, every couple of times you reboot you have to remind it you really don't want to use it (I have one, I refuse to use it on my living room PC)
--- oops there are a few more
3 - After installing Linux (I have bazzite, but it could be Mint, Nobara, Arch, Fedora, etc) you will notice that your computer is MUCH faster than you thought it was
4 - The full screen UI + HDMI CIC support is perfect for a living room PC, feels just like a console (most of the time)
It does take a bit to get used to, but so does Windows, but once it's setup it respects your time and intelligence, which is a great thing in and of itself.
alabtrosMyster
Member
For gaming it is*
*Online MP games that use kernel based DRM, like GTA 5, won't do it.
But over all, changins platform, going from Mac to Windows, Linux to Windows, or vice-versa for either, will always require some level of adaptation.
Durin
Member
Eh, it's pretty different. Gaming was garbage on Linux pre-Proton, installation of apps was less intuitive for a non-techy user before flatpaks, software support was significantly worse, web apps didn't exist to extend software support past apps made for Linux, the terminal was required to do more basic things that have GUI-based options now, etc.
I've used Linux back in the 2000s, it was a significantly worse experience, but the issue is that it's still lacking in areas vs Windows to be a replacement for most people. The progress in the last 2 years though has been fairly steady, while I have to do extra work to de-bloat Win11 that I never had to do with Win7-10.
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Syphon Filter
Member
proton is not native which isnt ideal. linux needs proper actual native games, which there are some but it could use a lot more. flatpaks are bad since there isnt a way to have an offline installer version, .deb files are better and existed before them as well.
Hoddi
Member
You aren't wrong but it genuinely is very different now. It's no longer just hardcore Linux nerds saying these things and setting up a Bazzite box is much simpler than a Linux gaming system was 10 years ago. It will be years/decades before it puts any real dent in Windows but Linux has already overtaken MacOS among Steam users.
I set up a Bazzite box with some old AMD components a couple of weeks ago and everything 'just worked' after the initial setup. None of the games I tried failed to launch and I never had to enter the DE to fix anything. It still (probably) sucks with nvidia GPUs but it worked way better than I thought it would.
existensmaximum
Member
For the record, I use Linux, Windows and MacOS. I wasn't expressing an opinion, only stating my observations.
Durin
Member
Native apps would be ideal, but they are hard to upkeep until more standards are settled on within the Linux ecosystem, and the userbase is larger. I think the translation layer route with Proton makes way more sense, it has the upside of helping ensure compatibility with not just new games devs won't take the time to produce native versions, but also wide swathes of older games devs will never reliably take the time to update that just work on Proton out of the box. The compatibility list and performance keeps improving each year, the performance gap between native windows apps keeps getting smaller, and on my friend's AMD setup he gets some games producing better FPS + frame-times than on Win11.
I don't think flatpaks not having an offline installer is that big a deal when people regularly depend on internet for installing mobile apps, Windows store apps, Steam (unless using backups). Also, you still have appimages that can be installed offline as a universal format. The biggest issue with flatpaks to solve is automating permissions that users can opt-in like mobile apps, but they are easier to use than people touching the terminal to use .deb, .rpm, etc. files even though those should continue to exist.
GHG
Member
GTA V singleplayer still works btw.
Even despite it not being native you still get better performance on Linux via Proton than you do native via windows.
So at that point what does it matter?
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RafterXL
Member
I get hating Microsoft, but why the the hell would you switch to an OS with less compatibility, and less performance just to play games? Even on AMD you are, at best, getting equal performance, so there isn't even an upside. And if you're using Nvidia, it's just plain stupid and is flat out a worse experience.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And that is not even hyperbole.
And then this "new" game has RT and/or HDR not working yet or crazy bugs like missing geometry and/or textures. Need to wait a proton update.
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GHG
Member
People parroting that are out of the loop, it's come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of months.
lordrand11
Member
Bazzite is a fine distro, I've been using Pop OS and it's been pretty solid, just make sure to swap to Nvidia server GPU drivers for better compatibility and less issue when installing.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Here's what I did with a brand new build.
1. Installed bazzite from a usb drive.
2. Logged into steam
3. Downloaded games and played.
I must be magic...
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Zathalus
Member
I dont know about the "nvidia bad on linux" thing. Even linux nerds are now praising nvidia over AMD.Seems AMD has some "ring 0" error issues since last few kernel updates and now nvidia is their new best friend.
It's not bad on Linux, but you still loose 20% performance on average. Even more on other games. It used to be way worse, with HDR, DLSS, and Frame Generation all not working. The performance is on NVIDIA's side to fix right now.
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pudel
Member
Yeah, and I can absolutely live with it. I mean....linux is just emulating windows in most cases here (gaming) and for me these 20% are an expected and reasonable outcome. its already crazy to me that some games are running better than the original.
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