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[kevboard]

He is talking about proprietary drivers vs open source. As if this is a bad thing as even with open source drivers Linux normally is behind in features, like RT, HDR...

yeah. third party drivers only exist because first party drivers either don't exist at all, or are neglected.
so I wouldn't see that as a positive either lol

 

[Unknown?]

what restrictions do you have on Windows? you can change almost anything, even down to the desktop environment if you want to.

this is one right here as an example:

you can replace the default file explorer of you want to, with a third party one like File Pilot for example:

you can easily deactivate all the telemetry as well.

it's really like people just ignore that you can modify Windows and think you have to use the default vanilla Windows 11 and have zero alternatives.


again,
if you think you can handle Linux, you can also handle modifying Windows.
so there's no real reason to switch, unless you do it as a hobby in and of itself.
but if you want a gaming system, Linux is absolutely ass on a gaming dektop or laptop.

The only way for it to get rid of telemetry is getting a modified version, the ameliorated version. Otherwise it will still be phoning home with a simple look at wireshark.

As for the rest, it's nice, but you can't modify the OS yourself and you're relying on Microsoft employees to be smarter than the rest of the world for security.

Regardless I could come up with a list like you did pointing out how Linux is better as well. Everything you posted could be countered and whatever you countered could be countered again so it's a pointless circular discussion.

I'm sure for some case uses it isn't as good as Windows for gaming but for what I play there's no problems. I guess if you have the most demanding games it could be worse.

 

[Doom_master1122]

Expect those tweaks are not required to be done on Windows for things works while they can be required on Linux.

That can go the other way too.
My latest PC build I put together about a year ago. I have an Asus motherboard (Forget the exact model at the moment), Ryzen 9 7950x3D and an AMD 7900XTX. I installed windows 11 to get my RGB configured and anything additional that I wouldn't have the exact controls for on Linux (Or not in ways I want).
On a fresh install of Windows, it did not pull a single driver for almost anything, network drivers, audio drivers, any of the base functions. Despite being plugged in via ethernet (which it didn't seem to have seen the port). I spent quite a while USB'ing drivers to bring back network connection, and manually installing everything that was missing.
Meanwhile on a separate spare PC I have, the Windows install was perfectly fine and pulled everything I needed.

After everything was done, I installed Arch Linux and wiped out windows on this new PC. It booted to the desktop, everything worked no configurations or drivers needed.
Mean while that spare PC that took Windows flawlessly? Linux on there came without audio and was a complete pain to get working.

So yeah, Again. To quote my self from before.

So again, this goes both ways. It's an eternal battle where both point fingers at each other for the same things.

Edit: This right here: Exactly this.

Regardless I could come up with a list like you did pointing out how Linux is better as well. Everything you posted could be countered and whatever you countered could be countered again so it's a pointless circular discussion.

 

[Topher]

He is talking about proprietary drivers vs open source. As if this is a bad thing as even with open source drivers Linux normally is behind in features, like RT, HDR...

That's the crux of the problem. I like Linux, even with all its quirks, but I just can't justify sacrificing gaming performance for it. Until Linux can solve its driver problem with Nvidia, I'm going to have to stick with Windows. That's the conclusion I've come to every time I try the Linux side again.

 

[Comandr]

I am taking the opportunity to speak to windows complainers in general, rather than target a specific person in this post.

I keep seeing these threads and everyone says windows 11 is the bogeyman. Maybe I'M doing it wrong because I just don't see it.

Shift+F10 during initial windows setup on first boot to open command prompt. Type OOBE\BYPASSNRO.

Create local user only.

Run christitus from powershell. Adjust settings to taste.

Done.

Not signing in with a MS account avoids a ton of their harassment. Chris Titus cuts out all of the bloat and curbs windows updates so it doesn't come back.

Are people not doing this? All I hear over and over is "windows is bad!!!!!!1 " but nothing being done to fix it. If you think running oobe and christitus is annoying and you shouldn't have to, wake up fam that's your whole life on Linux. Finding hacky solutions to literally every problem.

Most of the world runs windows. So most software is built with that in mind. Like it or not, windows is actually really great for gaming. A huge amount of driver support, customization, and you CAN extract really good performance out of windows.

Even just understanding how your power states work helps. Emulating? Emulation is often very CPU heavy. Setting your power plan to high performance pushes more juice to the CPU. Playing a GPU intensive game? Try efficiency mode; that dials back on the CPU and gives more power to the GPU. These benefits are especially large on handheld or power constrained devices.

There are a million processes and programs that often set themselves to run at startup. Every game launcher ever, discord, afterburner, RTSS, these things add up. Turn that shit off.

Microsoft's new gaming "full screen mode" that allegedly is a godsend for these gaming handhelds? All it does is turn off all of those fuckin startup services so your system runs cleaner and frees up resources.

Set your services to manual. Turn off start up programs. They will open when you want them. You don't need ALL of them running all of the time. Physically clean the fuckin thing. Dirty computers thermal throttle and run poorly. Take some responsibility for your situation with your computer.

As someone who has repaired and worked with computers as a profession for many years, I guarantee most of your issues are self inflicted.

Linux has the potential to be a good alternative. But it's still in its infancy. Once more support is there, and you don't have to jerry rig literally everything, then fine.

Hopefully some of this general knowledge can help someone.

 

[pudel]

but I just can't justify sacrificing gaming performance for it.

Why not...is that a mental thing? If a game runs well, it runs well. Where is the difference having 80fps or 100fps? I wouldnt be able to even recognize this....unless you are always gaming with these diagnosis tools on. I stopped that long ago...its sooo distracting, its not even funny anymore. I use it only when a game does have a serious recognizable problem.

 

[rodrigolfp]

That can go the other way too.
My latest PC build I put together about a year ago. I have an Asus motherboard (Forget the exact model at the moment), Ryzen 9 7950x3D and an AMD 7900XTX. I installed windows 11 to get my RGB configured and anything additional that I wouldn't have the exact controls for on Linux (Or not in ways I want).
On a fresh install of Windows, it did not pull a single driver for almost anything, network drivers, audio drivers, any of the base functions. Despite being plugged in via ethernet (which it didn't seem to have seen the port). I spent quite a while USB'ing drivers to bring back network connection, and manually installing everything that was missing.
Meanwhile on a separate spare PC I have, the Windows install was perfectly fine and pulled everything I needed.

After everything was done, I installed Arch Linux and wiped out windows on this new PC. It booted to the desktop, everything worked no configurations or drivers needed.
Mean while that spare PC that took Windows flawlessly? Linux on there came without audio and was a complete pain to get working.

So yeah, Again. To quote my self from before.

Basic drivers are not tweaks, workarounds or stuff like that. The same way some drivers can be "missing" on Linux after a clean install or not working properly or missing features and for that last 2 there is nothing we can do about except wait for a good soul to fix it.

 

[Topher]

Why not...is that a mental thing? If a game runs well, it runs well. Where is the difference having 80fps or 100fps? I wouldnt be able to even recognize this....unless you are always gaming with these diagnosis tools on. I stopped that...its sooo distracting, its not even funny anymore. I use it only when a game does have a serious recognizable problem.

I want drivers that enable all the features that the GPU provides whether that is Nvidia or AMD or Intel, first and foremost. But yeah, if I'm sacrificing 20fps then that's going to be a much bigger problem when the game would otherwise run at 50-60fps.

 

[kevboard]

The only way for it to get rid of telemetry is getting a modified version, the ameliorated version. Otherwise it will still be phoning home with a simple look at wireshark.

so... you have to modify it... like I said you should have no issue doing if you consider Linux.

As for the rest, it's nice, but you can't modify the OS yourself and you're relying on Microsoft employees to be smarter than the rest of the world for security.

well, Windows defender is pretty good. and I rather rely on a massive company that has something to lose over open source software made by hobbyists for security.

Regardless I could come up with a list like you did pointing out how Linux is better as well. Everything you posted could be countered and whatever you countered could be countered again so it's a pointless circular discussion.

I'm sure for some case uses it isn't as good as Windows for gaming but for what I play there's no problems. I guess if you have the most demanding games it could be worse.

there's quite literally no reason to switch to Linux for gaming. it's always a downgrade in compatibility.
the only use case that has some merit it on Handhelds, as bazzite is lighter than Windows, which actually has an impact on super low power devices... but that's about it.

 

[pudel]

I want drivers that enable all the features that the GPU provides whether that is Nvidia or AMD or Intel, first and foremost. But yeah, if I'm sacrificing 20fps then that's going to be a much bigger problem when the game would otherwise run at 50-60fps.

Okay, below 60 fps it can become a problem...agreed. (just dont have this very often)

 

[Doom_master1122]

That's the crux of the problem. I like Linux, even with all its quirks, but I just can't justify sacrificing gaming performance for it. Until Linux can solve its driver problem with Nvidia, I'm going to have to stick with Windows. That's the conclusion I've come to every time I try the Linux side again.

Here's hoping that Nvidia one day figures it out on Linux. It's gotten better, but not by much. Its a large reason I went AMD on my latest build. The Radeon 7900XTX performs fantastically. Only problem being my stunted Raytracing performance, which is more an AMD issue. Its not entirely awful, as lately I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 with its DLC at 5120x1440 with Maxed visual settings, but Medium RT. Having XeSS do a large amount of the carrying (I get slightly better performance and visuals compared to FSR? Maybe I'm imagining things?).

 

[Topher]

Here's hoping that Nvidia one day figures it out on Linux. It's gotten better, but not by much. Its a large reason I went AMD on my latest build. The Radeon 7900XTX performs fantastically. Only problem being my stunted Raytracing performance, which is more an AMD issue. Its not entirely awful, as lately I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 with its DLC at 5120x1440 with Maxed visual settings, but Medium RT. Having XeSS do a large amount of the carrying (I get slightly better performance and visuals compared to FSR? Maybe I'm imagining things?).

Is Nvidia even trying? I read they hired that guy who was working on Linux drivers. I'm not sure if that was a good thing or bad though. I'm pretty much staying in the Nvidia camp, unfortunately. I just think it is a superior product for gaming. I'm no fanboy. I genuinely wish that wasn't the case. Maybe one day.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Why not...is that a mental thing? If a game runs well, it runs well. Where is the difference having 80fps or 100fps? I wouldnt be able to even recognize this....unless you are always gaming with these diagnosis tools on. I stopped that long ago...its sooo distracting, its not even funny anymore. I use it only when a game does have a serious recognizable problem.

That's a fair point.

When I last seriously looked into it, Gamescope and HDR weren't working on NVIDIA 90% of the time and when they did work, it was really a crap shoot with performance.

I have a 5090. If I could get a solid 60fps in most games with HDR and Ray Tracing (which I can do on Windows), I might consider checking out Linux again on my HTPC

 

[pudel]

Gamescope is also something I still need to tinker with. Sounds awesome to tell the game which resolution you want to have it, without relying on ingame options (which are sometimes awful, especially for ultrawide).

 

[Doom_master1122]

Gamescope is also something I still need to tinker with. Sounds awesome to tell the game which resolution you want to have it, without relying on ingame options (which are sometimes awful, especially for ultrawide).

I use Niri. I moved off DE's for Window Managers. Gaming doesnt always play nice when the WM is trying to force a game to tile. Gamescope on the other hand has been a god send for me.

Is Nvidia even trying? I read they hired that guy who was working on Linux drivers. I'm not sure if that was a good thing or bad though. I'm pretty much staying in the Nvidia camp, unfortunately. I just think it is a superior product for gaming. I'm no fanboy. I genuinely wish that wasn't the case. Maybe one day.

I haven't checked in a while but last time I saw, the Nvidia Panel on Linux has been the same one since the early 2000s, which doesn't really allow for much in terms of configuration and over all usability. I just don't think Nvidia cares enough at the moment. Just more so making sure their drivers are "up to date" and leave it at that. Bare bones.

 

[Edgelord79]

Been there done that. For gaming,I'll stick with windows.

 

[Hero_Select]

Here's hoping that Nvidia one day figures it out on Linux.

They won't. They aren't even making the effort to because they have zero incentive to support an OS with 4% userbase

 

[pudel]

They won't. They aren't even making the effort to because they have zero incentive to support an OS with 4% userbase

Thats why my next system will be full AMD...yep! After decades of Intel/Nvidia.

 

[Tams]

Honestly, to rile up Linux people, all you need to do is say that [name] distribution is the best and only one to use.

If you want them to get into fisticuffs, say that [name] DE is the only one, or if you want pistols at dawn: kernel version.

Oh, I forgot, which repositories to use. Or how about Flatpak vs Snaps?

 

[Topher]

Honestly, to rile up Linux people, all you need to do is say that [name] distribution is the best and only one to use.

If you want them to get into fisticuffs, say that [name] DE is the only one, or if you want pistols at dawn: kernel version.

Oh, I forgot, which repositories to use. Or how about Flatpak vs Snaps?

The duplication of effort in the Linux community is one of the biggest hindrances to progress, imo. That's the key idea behind open source at the same time. Paradoxical

 

[th4tguy]

Step 1: switch to linux in a nerd rage
Step 2: fix all the fkn issues with getting linux to work with your current rig
Step 3: fix all the issues with your game library running on
Step 4: realize you still need windows to play some/ most of the games you care about
Step 5: fight with setting up Proton/ Wine to play your Windows games
Step 6: setup dual boot so you can play the games with issues on Windows, without issues
Step 7: Transition back to only booting up Windows to play your games.
Step 8: Go back to complaining about Windows on the internet and claim to switch to Linux in protest

 

[notseqi]

Was Ventoy mentioned for preparing bootable USB-sticks? You 'install' it on a USB-Stick, making it bootable. Then you just chuck a few downloaded OS-isos on it and you can select the one you want to install. Getting a feel for different Linux versions made real easy, and it's easier and faster to install than Windows.

 

[kevboard]

Step 1: switch to linux in a nerd rage
Step 2: fix all the fkn issues with getting linux to work with your current rig
Step 3: fix all the issues with your game library running on
Step 4: realize you still need windows to play some/ most of the games you care about
Step 5: fight with setting up Proton/ Wine to play your Windows games
Step 6: setup dual boot so you can play the games with issues on Windows, without issues
Step 7: Transition back to only booting up Windows to play your games.
Step 8: Go back to complaining about Windows on the internet and claim to switch to Linux in protest

you forgot the step where they absolutely refuse to even try to take the 30min it takes to modify Windows to get rid of the stuff they don't like.

 

[Crayon]

Step 1: switch to linux in a nerd rage
Step 2: fix all the fkn issues with getting linux to work with your current rig
Step 3: fix all the issues with your game library running on
Step 4: realize you still need windows to play some/ most of the games you care about
Step 5: fight with setting up Proton/ Wine to play your Windows games
Step 6: setup dual boot so you can play the games with issues on Windows, without issues
Step 7: Transition back to only booting up Windows to play your games.
Step 8: Go back to complaining about Windows on the internet and claim to switch to Linux in protest

Or install it and log into steam. Your choice.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

I dual boot.

Honestly, if i could use anything like rewasd on linux, id reconsider. Heck, remaping software is so infantile on linux that ive considered making a UI with one of the good backends. Noone should be digging through config files setting up double taps, holds etc. Its quite bad.

Also, there is a learning curve, proton, proton-ge, lutris, prefixes - it took me a good month to get a grasp on it.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

If I may reiterate how bad windows 11 dumpsters editing has become compared to gaming on steam os or basil.