You said it yourself, PC has appeal to a very broad demographic. Just look at the most popular new games on Steam this past year. A whole bunch of different genres and game types. Gauhati/F2P will always be popular, but it's not the only thing that is extremely popular. On both Steam and consoles.
PC gamers think PC gaming is superior, not that themselves are superior. The "PCMR/console peasants" is a joke started by console warriors themselves.
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Ftfy.
PC gamers think PC gaming is superior, not that themselves are superior. The "PCMR/console peasants" is a joke started by console warriors themselves.
It was. Sort of. By one usual suspect.
To put it in perspective 33M was the record in early 2024
incredible growth in the last 5 years or so. I would've guessed it would peak during Covid then slide a bit.
In your dreams. Console market continues growing year after year and the size of both console and PC markets is pretty similar in size. Only Xbox days are numbered, PS and Nintendo are breaking record numbers.
Lol, no. PS, Nintendo and mobile are growing faster than PC.
I think by far it comes from people who already had Steam, but bought a new PC, installed Steam there and didn't notice or doesn't care that now installing Steam it autoboots each time you run the PC, so counts as active user for the 41M number even if not playing anything or not using Steam. It's just running in the background unless you kill it and go to disable its autoboot.
You said it yourself. Not available on Steam. I'd wager a not insignificant number of those with Steam open but not playing a Steam game could easily be playing something from the Epic store (Fortnite/Genshin for example), GoG, Xbox store, Roblox, Steam China (separate client), or Battle.net. A ton of PC players keep Steam open while playing a game from another store. So the CCU of people actually playing PC games at any one time is quite a bit higher than that 13 million number.
Why are you making shit up? The cumulative window is greater than 24hours in that graph.
Which bit is creative? Look for me on the league table. I'm not rofif
Or be a breeding ground for peadophiles. sorry forgot that one.
Why do you laugh, you idiot? The 41M is people running the Steam app. the 13M is people playing games on Steam.
It was at 5 million in-game 6 years ago. It's more than doubled as the CCUs increase.
It is, but "getting new PC" doesnt make any sense because they would still be the same user unless they created a new account on it for some odd reason. Anyway you're right about the steam app running in background on boot though and the cumulative there not meaning much especially as a PC has several other uses (we use to take the piss out of MS xbox MAU for less for counting Windows phone and solitaire back in the day) but people are getting touchy about it for steam. Steam is even transparent about the more important metric which is ingame.
I never said people downloaded Steam for no reason, you moron. People obviously install Steam because they need to do so to play some game. But once installed by default it autolaunches, and when you run it to play a game, by default Steams keeps running minimized (visible in the hidden icons next to the Windows clock, or in the task manager) after you close the game unless you manually disable the autoboot and to really close it after you shut down a game.
The thing is Steam originally didn't autoboot, so people who installed it many years ago don't have it that way. But if reinstalled Steam recently (like when buying a new PC or after reinstalling Windows) then that same old Steam user would count more time as active user of the Steam app when not playing (green line) but would count the same amount of time he/she did as CCU actually playing a game (blue line).
In this talk mentioned that in 5+ years the app's CCU peak went from over 20M to over 40M:
Your generation didn't value it either. Reality is gaming as we know it was never incredibly popular (at least compared to what these live service games garner). Mario 64 for example, which i'm pretty sure we all remember as some big deal, sold in its life-time around as much as Elden Ring sold in three weeks.
Steam doesn't start minimized, it will always pop in your face every boot. And people can play non Steam games while Steam is running.I never said people downloaded Steam for no reason, you moron. People obviously install Steam because they need to do so to play some game. But once installed by default it autolaunches, and when you run it to play a game, by default Steams keeps running minimized (visible in the hidden icons next to the Windows clock, or in the task manager) after you close the game unless you manually disable the autoboot and to really close it after you shut down a game.
This is why Steam reports separatedly the CCUs of people running the Steam app (41M current peak, green line in the graph) and people actually playing games on Steam (13M current peak, blue line in the graph).
The thing is Steam originally didn't autoboot, so people who installed it many years ago don't have it that way. But if reinstalled Steam recently (like when buying a new PC or after reinstalling Windows) then that same old Steam user would count more time as active user of the Steam app when not playing (green line) but would count the same amount of time he/she did as CCU actually playing a game (blue line).
If you look at the Steam usage chart, you'll notice that the line that shows the CCUs that just are running the app grew way faster in recent years than the one of CCUs that are actually playing a game:
I think his point is that Roblox alone with 20M+ CCU is larger than the 13M CCU on steam playing every game available there and that puts things into perspective regarding what we value.
Yeah I know, I said as much in my own post before. I thought you were saying that it's the same person upgrading PCs (new PC) but I think I misunderstood what you meant by "new PC". It's new steam users regardless of PCs being old or new. It just doesnt matter much though with the way that metric is counted on boot.If you look at the Steam usage chart, you'll notice that the line that shows the CCUs that just are running the app grew way faster in recent years than the one of CCUs that are actually playing a game:
You are correct. My point was that in the grand scheme of things Steam could be seen as a niche platform. Hopefully there will always be a healthy market for quality games on PC, and hopefully Valve remains a profitable and independent company.
How many fucking accounts do you have, it's ridiculous.Why do you laugh, you idiot? The 41M is people running the Steam app. the 13M is people playing games on Steam.
Here you have Valve's Erik Peterson explaining it in Devcom (Gamescom) a few months ago:
Steam is more than just a gaming platform. Steam is also a massive forum and mod database. Just because you don't play a game at the moment, doesn't mean you aren't active doing shit somewhere else on Steam. People use Steam as a chat client, too.
Dudes an icon-era brother in arms, expect retardation
And which PC launcher has more features than Steam? There might not have been anything new in the last few months, but SteamInput has been an ongoing project for years and was instrumental in SteamDeck existing and being a success.
