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[Pedro Motta]

Make no mistake, I will not hesitate to mention names if MS seek my help with their investigation.

This is absolutely a situation which could end in legal consequences. The Windows Central piece is the first sign that MS are no longer playing around.

 

[LectureMaster]

It's good that Target clarified the situation but MS need to brace themselves for further disinformation attacks.
They now need to ensure that Jez Corden and the investigative team are given the proper resources to thoroughly scrutinize the bad actors involved and the possible funding sources behind them. How deep does this network run?

 

[m14]

Wait.....you were serious about this shit?

Microsoft are getting serious about this. This disinformation has negatively impacted their business.

Here's a thought experiment- imagine this level of disinformation surrounded Sony? Do you think they would simply let it slide? We've seen the meltdowns certain users had over denying how big a flop Concord was, for example.

 

[m14]

I think all evidence points to these "Xbox influencers" being completely inconsequential.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed these guys make an impact, far from it, they are generally perceived as deranged clowns desperate for attention and free gamepass access.

We've all seen posters here holding the influencers responsible for Xbox's decline. How they should have held Phil and the suits accountable etc.

 

[bitbydeath]

Wait.....you were serious about this shit?

 

[bighugeguns]

From the article:

This is absolutely a situation which could end in legal consequences. The Windows Central piece is the first sign that MS are no longer playing around.

If what I think is happening is happening then it won't be public at all, it's a little more nefarious and high speed than just corpo vs corpo marketing bs, maybe.

 

[Js562]

 

[m14]

If what I think is happening is happening then it won't be public at all, it's a little more nefarious and high speed than just corpo vs corpo marketing bs, maybe.

Indeed. That's why I'm being careful in what I'm posting on this matter.

 

[bighugeguns]

Indeed. That's why I'm being careful in what I'm posting on this matter.

Yeah look man it's easy to speculate and it is funny because these are toys so just have fun and you'll maybe notice shit goes quiet or it won't, whatever.

 

[LordCBH]

Microsoft are getting serious about this. This disinformation has negatively impacted their business.

Microsoft's shitty business decisions have had far greater impact on their Xbox business.

 

[BattleScar]

It's good that Target clarified the situation but MS need to brace themselves for further disinformation attacks.
They now need to ensure that Jez Corden and the investigative team are given the proper resources to thoroughly scrutinize the bad actors involved and the possible funding sources behind them. How deep does this network run?

What need is there for investigation?
The source of their pain is very obviously the smoking Desert Eagle in their own hands, that they've been regularly firing into both sets of their own kneecaps and ankles for the past 10 years.

The only required for this investigation of yours is a mirror. And perhaps a reality check.

 

[m14]

Yeah look man it's easy to speculate and it is funny because these are toys so just have fun and you'll maybe notice shit goes quiet or it won't, whatever.

It's certainly funny how much some people are insisting that "there's nothing to see here. Move along everyone!"

 

[Topher]

Microsoft are getting serious about this. This disinformation has negatively impacted their business.

Here's a thought experiment- imagine this level of disinformation surrounded Sony? Do you think they would simply let it slide? We've seen the meltdowns certain users had over denying how big a flop Concord was, for example.

You are making James Sawyer Ford look like the sane, level headed one right about now

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Microsoft are getting serious about this. This disinformation has negatively impacted their business.

What has been more damaging? The "misinformation" or the actual price increases, the massive layoffs, or the lackluster games?

If Microsoft isn't playing around, they've got to give Phil the boot and fire him unceremoniously

 

[BattleScar]

What has been more damaging? The "misinformation" or the actual price increases, the massive layoffs, or the lackluster games?

If Microsoft isn't playing around, they've got to give Phil the boot and fire him unceremoniously

You might as well be talking to Copilot. Would probably give you more coherent responses at this point.

 

[Topher]

If what I think is happening is happening then it won't be public at all, it's a little more nefarious and high speed than just corpo vs corpo marketing bs, maybe.

What do you think is "happening"?

 

[Humdinger]

Indeed. That's why I'm being careful in what I'm posting on this matter.

Dude, MS really doesn't give a shit about their console. That should be pretty apparent from the way they've handled things over the past few years.

And if you think a covert "misinformation"-suppression campaign would help their public image, you're nuts.

 

[bighugeguns]

What do you think is "happening"?

Nintendo is behind it all, it's always Nintendo.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nintendo is behind it all, it's always Nintendo.

Can you blame them after Spain?

 

[Topher]

What has been more damaging? The "misinformation" or the actual price increases, the massive layoffs, or the lackluster games?

If Microsoft isn't playing around, they've got to give Phil the boot and fire him unceremoniously

You better be careful what you say man. I hope ChorizoPicozo isn't your real name. The Microsoft Inquisition has begun

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Microsoft are getting serious about this.

Said by the most unserious person in the thread...

 

[m14]

What has been more damaging? The "misinformation" or the actual price increases, the massive layoffs, or the lackluster games?

If Microsoft isn't playing around, they've got to give Phil the boot and fire him unceremoniously

Well the Windows Central article openly admits that MS have made mistakes. But that doesn't mean they should or will accept the spread of disinformation which is harming both them and their customers.

And yes there are questions about Phil Spencer's future. His handling of this situation will be interesting and as I stated earlier, he needs to ensure that Jez Corden and the team are given the resources to pursue every possible avenue of investigation.

And if you think a covert "misinformation"-suppression campaign would help their public image, you're nuts.

MS have to do better. Equally they can't afford to surrender to the bad actors actively seeking to harm Xbox and worsen its public perception.

 

[Humdinger]

They can't afford to surrender to the bad actors actively seeking to harm Xbox and worsen its public perception.

Why not? These are people speaking freely about their own experiences and perceptions. You want MS to stop them how, exactly? Sue individuals for making Reddit posts that turn out to be exaggerated?

You're suggesting it's some kind of organized plot, but it's not. It's a mix of console warriors and schadenfraude by people who've been critical of MS's moves in this sector for a long time, for good reason.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You're suggesting it's some kind of organized plot, but it's not.

 

[Yekshemesh]

M m14 posts makes sense when you realize Phil loves to lurk gaming threads. He's arguing for an audience of one.

 

[Moridianae]

Going to be interesting to see how this all pans out. I said before that my Walmart seemed to be clearing out their Xbox section, but the one in a much larger(and more affluent) city nearby still has it.

It could be a store by store basis on what sells. Still, this whole thing is wild.

Microsoft continues to have to put out fire after fire that they started. Perception is reality and right now, folks perceive that Xbox is in turmoil. It doesn't bode well for them in future endeavors and doesn't help their present.

The problem is the head folks at Xbox need to go and a clean slate needs to be brought in.

I'd like to see them stay in the hardware fold--just stop making the worst decisions possible.

You would think they would've learned from the debacle of Xbox One in 2013, but apparently not.

Nobody steps on rakes like Microsoft, seemingly.

 

[Radical_3d]

So, Xbox is selling so much in the States that they have stock issues. Is that the story here?

 

[GHG]

This is absolutely a situation which could end in legal consequences. The Windows Central piece is the first sign that MS are no longer playing around.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

back to back tweets. One form Phil's brother and the other from an Ex-Boy that left the green lands after Crackdown 3...

two tweets, one story:

Even shills cannot shift the narrative/perception that Xbox is dead and any statement is meet with skepticism.

... how the fuck is Xbox going to endure another massive round of layoffs and even worse... another price increase?!?!.

they are so beyond fucked. Something major needs to happen within Xbox in the next 6 months....this shit can't continue.

 

[LordCBH]

Me when daddy Phil comes after the detractors in this thread.

 

[m14]

Why not? These are people speaking freely about their own experiences and perceptions. You want MS to stop them how, exactly? Sue individuals for making Reddit posts that turn out to be exaggerated?

You're suggesting it's some kind of organized plot, but it's not. It's a mix of console warriors and schadenfraude by people who've been critical of MS's moves in this sector for a long time, for good reason.

At a minimum it warrants investigation. You don't know that these people are speaking freely or if its co-ordinated. The Windows Central article is MS signalling that they clearly don't believe so and won't be taking it anymore. And Jez Corden's contributions to the piece were no coincidence, given his connections to the MS hierarchy. They will be looking into this!

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves. Target had to come out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.

 

[Moridianae]

they are so beyond fucked. Something major needs to happen within Xbox in the next 6 months....this shit can't continue.

Well, if our resident Sneaker is to be believed(and I fully think he's got credence at this point) the only major thing we're going to get in the next 6 months is another round of massive layoffs.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Well, if our resident Sneaker is to be believed(and I fully think he's got credence at this point) the only major thing we're going to get in the next 6 months is another round of massive layoffs.

3 things:
CoD underperforming, plus the Xbox Tax of Game Pass.
Series Consoles selling worse than the OUYA
And the layoffs.

bruh....

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves Target had to some out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.

So, Trump?

 

[Sooner]

Either M m14 is the best troll ever or he has gone completely batshit insane over the fall of Xbox.

 

[DragonTiger]

What need is there for investigation?
The source of their pain is very obviously the smoking Desert Eagle in their own hands, that they've been regularly firing into both sets of their own kneecaps and ankles for the past 10 years.

The only required for this investigation of yours is a mirror. And perhaps a reality check.

I would add and argue as well that suggesting that GAFfers could be investigated and could be held legally liable or sued for their posts on GAF in someway, is a threat intended to stifle speech and violates the GAF terms of service, as ridiculous and deluded the threat is. Mods need to put a stop to this as the poster is not letting go of it.

 

[Moridianae]

3 things:
CoD underperforming, plus the Xbox Tax of Game Pass.
Series Consoles selling worse than the OUYA
And the layoffs.

bruh....

I don't know about CoD. I used to work with GameStop back in the day. The folks that buy CoD literally get it every year, regardless if it's complete d00d00 or not.

I expect it probably will still do well, but maybe it will decline overall. Most people didn't seem very enthused about this entry at all.

I saw the beta with some killstreak that was like a through-all-the-walls sniper and I'm good on stuff like that.


The Game Pass debacle was rough because I think it was a moment where people just *really* got fed up at the price increases.

We've all been seeing it. Groceries, electronics, cars, rent, houses. For many people, we're already stretched thin and gaming is their escape from that.

Suddenly, it's not so much and nobody gets angry like gamers do. They speak out on the nonsense far more than many others do, in my experience.

 

[Zacfoldor]

M m14 I was not part of it. Spare me. Put in a good word with Sir Jizz.

 

[reinking]

Either M m14 is the best troll ever or he has gone completely batshit insane over the fall of Xbox.

Either way, it is hilarious.

 

[m14]

I would add and argue as well that suggesting that GAFfers could be investigated and could be held legally liable or sued for their posts on GAF in someway, is a threat intended to stifle speech and violates the GAF terms of service, as ridiculous and deluded the threat is. Mods need to put a stop to this as the poster is not letting go of it.

Curiously you're the one trying to stifle speech here by suggesting I be removed.
At no point did I state forum posters here would be sued. Several joked about it themselves though!

 

[Topher]

At a minimum it warrants investigation. You don't know that these people are speaking freely or if its co-ordinated. The Windows Central article is MS signalling that they clearly don't believe so and won't be taking it anymore. And Jez Corden's contributions to the piece were no coincidence, given his connections to the MS hierarchy. They will be looking into this!

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves. Target had to come out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.

Too bad Microsoft has no authority to investigate anything. Best they could do is possibly sue thegamer.com for writing the article based on a reddit post. Good luck with that. Thankfully, Microsoft isn't that stupid. i think

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

no cap Microsoft will probably contact the UK gov and get some of us for hate crimes

pray for us

 

[adamsapple]

 

[majestix1988]

I guess its true they sell it but i think target or other retailers are now pushing for online selling for xbox due lack of games to display or just its pretty same library except playstation has exclusive to show + xbox its just pushing so much online capabilities due to their gamepass instead pushing its ability to be traditional console(that can played online or offline

 

[Valonquar]

So essentially:

 

[Humdinger]

nm

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I told Jez (face to face, in the virtual world) after he said he would continue to advocate for Xbox, he only needed to advocate for a brand if he was being paid to do so. Sneaker destroys Jez indirectly. but i will do it directly:

Jez is fucking pathetic. He said in his podcast that he owes his career to Phil. This dude not only doesn't have professional integrity or credibility, but he also lacks critical thinking and sees himself as some kind of pillar of the Xbox community... but people have been turning on him for quite some time.

He says that he "will go down with the ship" as some kind of brave and honorable statement ... my dude... you are making a clown of yourself for a ship that you are not even not part of.

 

[adamsapple]

You are making James Sawyer Ford look like the sane, level headed one right about now

I had to check, that dip is still sore that 'i got him banned' and tagging me as frequently as LectureMaster does here

 

[bitbydeath]

On the edge of my seat when M m14 discovers it was Jez spreading misinformation.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

You're absolutely correct that MS haven't helped themselves and contributed to an environment in which disinformation is allowed to run amok.
However, it's clear that there is also an orchestrated campaign to undermine the Xbox brand further. This simply cannot be allowed to continue unchallenged.

Every platform gets its own share of FUD. Its always been that way. Before the switch 1 and PS4 launched they were both deemed DOA and that xbox would run away with it. Before the PS5 launched, they said everything would run better on the Xbox and that it would be the leading platform; they also said that PlayStation would not be able to compete with gamepass and all that. Even right now, some would have you believe that the best performing PlayStation generation is actually its worst performing one, and that at this rate, the PS6 will be a clusterfuck.

Or that long-standing meme of PlayStation having no games. Everyone gets their share of FUD.

The problem with MS and Xbox is that their choices actually perpetuate said FUD.

We said gamepass was not a sustainable model and that in addition to prices having to inevitably go up that it would cannibalize physical sales as far back in 2019. Now look at whats happened. It was said that them releasing all their games day and date on the PC and gamepass, waters down the value of their platform not strengthens it... now look what's happened. We said that their userbase is not enough to support their platform, especially after spending more money than PlayStation/Nintendo makes in 3 years to buy one publisher, and that they would end up having to release their games on other platforms like the PlayStation, even after MS vehement denial, and then cagey concessions... look what's happened.

Of every 5 things that is said about MS/Xbox that could be considered as FUD, at least 4 of them come to pass. See how ludicrous it is to think that this is all happening because some people are just spreading FUD? Naaaaa.... this is on MS, and its not even about them seeking out the "actors" and shutting it down... nope, that kinda siege mentality is the last thing they need now. What they need is to start doing shit right... ensure that for every bad thing that can be said, at least one good thing can be said too.