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[PauloRoberto]

How do tell everyone not to bet on your platform without opening telling everyone...

 

[LectureMaster]

What game dev in their right mind would be buying an Xbox DK at this stage?

For collection purposes. It's gonna be worth a lot more once Xbox is out of the hardware biz.

 

[GHG]

Microsoft's mission to quietly move everyone to PC is successfully underway.

Going to be funny when there are no next gen "console" versions of games releasing on their "platform" but yet they are still going to try and make everyone call the hardware a "console".

 

[Pop]

Microsoft wants Xbox dead

Slow death instead of just pulling the plug

 

[LectureMaster]

Yeah, you'd think almost all developers would have multiples of them already.

 

[RayBoy]

 

[Negotiator101]

I'm getting the impression that Microsoft has told Xbox division that they need to either achieve some profit margin or else it's over. Seems like they no longer see this as some long term strategic priority.

Or like the prices of everything is increasing, which is how things work in general.

 

[LectureMaster]

 

[Mr Hyde]

Why can't they fuck off from gaming and computer OS?

Hopefully Valve enters the arena with new hardware and expansion of their Steam OS, eclipsing Windows and putting MS out of business.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Jizzed Condom is going to have another meltdown on X..

 

[Bernkastel]

Or like the prices of everything is increasing, which is how things work in general.

Why is PS5 slim disc version not priced same as Xbox Series X. Xbox Series X disc version costs $650 at 1 TB and PS5 Pro disc version costs $750 at 2 TB. And a Xbox Series X seagate 1 TB expansion card costs $135. Even the PS5 Pro is more value for money than Xbox Series X.

 

[Clear]

Seems like a budget-freeze or maybe even reduction for the division as a whole. No more subsidies as its evident that despite the massive investment fiscal performance is not where daddy Satya wants it to be.

The whole situation reeks of the C-suite losing interest in the brand.

 

[Horseganador]

These are pointless measures unless you want to kill Xbox as soon as possible. Raising the price of development kits at this point is absurd.

 

[Negotiator101]

Why is PS5 slim disc version not priced same as Xbox Series X. Xbox Series X disc version costs $650 at 1 TB and PS5 Pro disc version costs $750 at 2 TB. And a Xbox Series X seagate 1 TB expansion card costs $135. Even the PS5 Pro is more value for money than Xbox Series X.

Why you asking me? I'm just saying that things in general increase in price over time. Instead of once again everyone jumping to conclusions, like Xbox is trying to kill itself from the inside, stupid shit like that

 

[jm89]

Jizzed Condom is going to have another meltdown on X..

 

[DarkShadowXI]

These are pointless measures unless you want to kill Xbox as soon as possible. Raising the price of development kits at this point is absurd.

Especially when a lot of game dev companies are already facing budget constraints for countless reasons.

This would be an easy "nah, not worth it" when it's an extra $500 per headcount. That can add up very quickly.

 

[Matchew]

Good. Less crap games on the store the better.

 

[nemiroff]

Microsoft is forcing me to rage again! And I'm tired of it! This will not stand!

 

[Bernkastel]

Why you asking me? I'm just saying that things in general increase in price over time. Instead of once again everyone jumping to conclusions, like Xbox is trying to kill itself from the inside, stupid shit like that

Things are getting expensive yet PS5 Pro is more value for money than Xbox Series X.
Price of Xbox Series X with disc drive (1 TB storage) + 1 TB expansion card > PS5 Pro with disc drive (2 TB storage).

 

[Gilgalaad]

At this point I think Microsoft is deliberately trying to make their console die.

 

[Germuso]

Phil Spencer...

P.S....PlayStation

It was there all the time you fools

 

[Zacfoldor]

have sony put theirs up? tariffs n all that spaff

Nevermind.

On topic.

 

[Loomy]

have sony put theirs up? tariffs n all that spaff

Wouldn't be surprised if dev kits for the pro are close to that price.

 

[DragonNCM]

Microsoft's mission to quietly move everyone to PC is successfully underway

I will not complain at all if they port my library

 

[Plague Doctor]

Xbox is an independent, under dog company that needs the money.

They will take that money and build new studios and develop new games and unforgetable experiences for their hardware. And that hardware, being shown in those dev kits, is so important to them.

They don't have Sony money*, you fucks!


*This is technically true. They have way, way more.

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Buy game studios for millions. Don't do anything worthwhile with them or make their games exclusive.

Raise the price of dev kits for studios who actually would make some games.

What kind of console war strategy is this?

 

[Sooner]

What game dev in their right mind would be buying an Xbox DK at this stage?

What consumer in their right mind would be buying an Xbox at this stage?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What consumer in their right mind would be buying an Xbox at this stage?

Why would anyone buy any console at these current prices with next gen right around the corner if they have held out this long to begin with?

 

[dragonyeuw]

Why is PS5 slim disc version not priced same as Xbox Series X. Xbox Series X disc version costs $650 at 1 TB and PS5 Pro disc version costs $750 at 2 TB. And a Xbox Series X seagate 1 TB expansion card costs $135. Even the PS5 Pro is more value for money than Xbox Series X.

My guess is the scale at which Sony produces and sells Playstations affords them much better bulk component deals which somewhat keeps the prices in check. Xbox is in a no win situation of their hardware being in exponentially less demand, so they dont get the same deals, so the cost to produce a Series console is more expensive. Its just hilarous seeing the Xbox being more expensive than the Playstation given their respective demand, zero sense from a consumer POV.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Why would anyone buy any console at these current prices with next gen right around the corner if they have held out this long to begin with?

Exactly. 5 years into a cycle is typically when the budget gamer enter the gen with slashed hardware/software. If you go back to 2018, if you were in the market for a PS4 you could have gotten a slim for $200 with most of the first party lineup priced at $20. Crazy how far removed we are from those days( and $99 PS2s 20 years ago may as well have existed on a different timeline entirely).

 

[bender]

Why would anyone buy any console at these current prices with next gen right around the corner if they have held out this long to begin with?

 

[mayham2199]

Why would anyone buy any console at these current prices with next gen right around the corner if they have held out this long to begin with?

Consoles breaking down is about the only reason I can see. Considering the last consoles were released in 2013 and both PS and Xbox have a lot of users on the old systems it could be quite a few people. Also GTA 6 is right around the corner. I think a lot of the sports titles are leaving old gen behind now also so that will move consoles also.

 

[Moses85]

Minus, minus = Plus

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Literally every day there's bad xbox news at this point lmao

 

[ReBurn]

If we're being honest I thought dev kits would be more expensive than $2K. I thought they were already like $10K minimum. Shows what I know.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Good. Less crap games on the store the better.

Xbox Game Studios:

 

[Matchew]

Xbox Game Studios:

?

Look at all these stores they are filled with AI crap that is taking up space in the store. We need less games and a harder barrier of entry.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

Ok, so... they lost a lot of people because of the rise of the GP, they killed all their known IPs, their console is the last one that people even consider, to the point some stores are not even selling it more.

Next in their master plan is: restrict development tools to developers to get a quick buck.

Yeah, "next gen-hardware" is just going to be a Windows 11 computer. They killed Xbox

 

[Draugoth]

The Verge: Xbox dev kit increasing price from $1,500 to $2,000.

"The adjustment reflects macroeconomic developments. We remain committed to providing high-quality tools and support for your development efforts."

​

 

[acm2000]

so desperate to make anti xbox threads you couldnt even take the time to check if it hadnt already been made?

 

[Melfice7]

"hey, your games dont sell on our consoles, so pay us more to make your games for our consoles"

 

[Topher]

so desperate to make anti xbox threads you couldnt even take the time to check if it hadnt already been made?

There is another thread? Only other one I see is locked with a link to this thread.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

There is another thread? Only other one I see is locked with a link to this thread.

There was a new thread posted by Draugoth, but it seems a mod merged it into this one.

 

[RafterXL]

I'm done giving them the benefit of the doubt and just chalking this up to them being retarded. This is a deliberate effort to kill the brand.

Hopefully Valve enters the arena with new hardware and expansion of their Steam OS, eclipsing Windows and putting MS out of business.

Steam OS is never eclipsing Windows, much less putting MS out of business. If Apple couldn't do it, it's not possible.

 

[Rocinante618]

Xbox bashing NeoGAF threads are more funny to me than SNL skits or any late night comedy shows.

 

[Topher]

Xbox bashing NeoGAF threads are more funny to me than SNL skits or any late night comedy shows.

Not like GAF is the only place where this is being discussed.

 

[mayham2199]

I'm done giving them the benefit of the doubt and just chalking this up to them being retarded. This is a deliberate effort to kill the brand.

Steam OS is never eclipsing Windows, much less putting MS out of business. If Apple couldn't do it, it's not possible.

I agree as long as SteamOS still has issues with MP games it's not going to take over windows when it comes to gaming. If that happens though I can see MS being in real trouble. I loved SteamOS and it was the closest Steam has ever got me to switch to PC gaming but I can't leave all the top MP games behind like that.