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[Kokoloko85]

I guess while the hardware might be high, you could be saving in software (games) in the long run vs the PlayStation/Xbox stores...?

Theres no reason for the hardware to cost more than a PS5/XBX. People shouldnt be paying extra for a different OS.

"Its a PC" cool. The average consumer has a PC on their phone and TV that uses the apps, social media, browsing, email, youtube, messaging via phone or TV for streaming.

Steam machine is a good choice for upgrading current PC gamers on less specs, and for fans who want an extra unit in the living room. And of course they will pick up new gamers.
But If Valve wants to reach new commercial customers, which they are semi targeting with the living room apprach. They need to sell at a similar price. The average consumer doesnt want to think about installing another launcher or windows to play Fortnite. So it has to be competitive.

I think Valve will launch at a better price than people expect. Plus news of HL3, Portal 3 etc, its there one chance to make a big boom

 

[BlackTron]

Would they keep this secret if it were cheap?

I'm not sure Valve knows the final price yet

 

[jshackles]

... and it may cost less.

Everyone just speculating on the only thing they've mentioned about the price, which is that it'll be priced like a PC and not like a console.

 

[Mengy]

€500 or less for me to consider getting one.

Agreed. I'm interested in one for $500, but anything over that and I probably wouldn't bother. I mean, I could build my own budget PC for probably about that much money?

 

[Pasta la Vista]

So still cheaper than a Xbox Series X?

 

[Parazels]

I'm not sure Valve knows the final price yet

You are right, but the outlook isn't promising anyway.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I think anything above 700 would be a no from me. I already plan on getting the Frame and the controller, the Machine would just be an extra for me. But not at this price point.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'm not surprised by how pessimistic GAF is (GAF is usually very critical on anything related to pricing too), but I don't think I can agree.

Even at over $750, Steam has a competitive advantage in how wide its library is and that it would be the only major provider in the space offering free online. A higher price for the unit might pay for itself (barring a price over $1100 or so, comparing to say a PS5 Pro's price + a lifespan of online payments).

Questions like, "Who is this for?" and "Consumers don't think that far ahead," have some validity but the DOA remarks are totally off the mark. We'll see how successful it is (or lack thereof) but by all accounts it will probably be solid hardware with malleable software insides, a PC that can function like a console. I think there's a market for that. I just don't know how big.

Yeah, the console comparisons here and by the likes of linus/DF baffle me. This isn't made to attract console players nor compete with consoles. Even if it was priced like one it still wouldn't attract those players nor compete with actual consoles.

This is intending to compete with/enter the mini-pc market, which multiple researches have shown to be growing in popularity. Heck, i myself considered getting one at a point before going for a laptop

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Valve isnt trying to dethrone the ps5, they want to stay ahead of the curve, or something they perceive as an emerging trend, much like they did with pc gaming software and digital stores. Its been their main approach from their inception.

 

[Kacho]

You are right, but the outlook isn't promising anyway.

The pricing drama is everywhere. Valve sees it.

 

[StereoVsn]

Steam machine will likely be less than both of those and a lot smaller, I'm guessing 600

I mean of course it's a lot smaller. I am saying if the price is $750+, at that point one might as well buy a regular PC. Especially the second link is an awesome value for the $.

 

[Topher]

Plenty of guesses out there

 

[adamsapple]

The Steam Box will be between $299 and $999.

Book mark this post.

 

[Topher]

The funny thing is that some people expect this to be cheap while Valve is doing everything in its power to hide the price....

Probably due to the volatility of the DRAM market more than anything. Not like PS5 or XSX revealed the price right away either

 

[BlueManifest]

I mean of course it's a lot smaller. I am saying if the price is $750+, at that point one might as well buy a regular PC. Especially the second link is an awesome value for the $.

The 2nd one for 1,000 is better but not a ton better

If the machine ends up being 600 I wouldn't pay 400 more for that one

Esp when I consider how small and convenient the machine is

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

No matter the price, it is going to be cheaper than me going out there and hunting for a replacement laptop. I was staring at up to $2000. I don't see Gabecube go near that price. Hence good enough for me while we shelter through the AI boom.

 

[Minsc]

I think this is similar to the PSVR2 in a way - there's simply an upper limit to the demand for the device. I think you could price this along the same scale as the PSVR2, and after the initial 6 months of sales I don't see it making a big splash, regardless of what price it is.

Like you can make the PSVR2 $200, $100, or even just hand it out for free, and I don't think it would sell that much more than it has now - certainty not anything in the 20-50M range, which is crazy, the idea that it is not price holding the hardware back, but the hardware itself simply has a very limited audience. Like if you list out total sales at different price points of the PS6, PSVR2, and Steam Machine, I think you'd see something like this:


$99 - 200M+ for PS6; under 10M for PSVR2 / Steam Machine
$199 - 150M+ for PS6; under 10M for PSVR2 / Steam Machine
$299 - 100M+ for PS6; under 10M for PSVR2 / Steam Machine
$499 - 50M+ for PS6; under 5M for PSVR2 / Steam Machine
$699 - 20M+ for PS6; under 2M for Steam Machine

Then for fun $0 - 500M+ for PS6; under 20M for PSVR2 / Steam Machine

So simply put, no matter what price this thing is, it never had a chance of winning, much like the PSVR2.

 

[Kacho]

it never had a chance of winning

No one expects this thing to "win" anything lol. We just want an affordable box to play our Steam library on our TV.

 

[BlueManifest]

No one expects this thing to "win" anything lol. We just want an affordable box to play our Steam library on our TV.

And the frame

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

It's over. Would not be surprised if HL3 is fake too.

 

[Poppinfresh]

It needs to be $599 or less for me to even consider it.

It also needs to be that price to be successful, in my opinion. Especially since there really aren't any upgrade paths.

Above that, especially at the $799+ price point, you start getting into territory where it might make sense to spend a little bit more and build your own PC that is more powerful and upgradeable.

 

[geary]

Random no one make a tweet with guess number and GAF fills 3 pages.
The conversation topics here are going downhill.

 

[BlueManifest]

It needs to be $599 or less for me to even consider it.

It also needs to be that price to be successful, in my opinion. Especially since there really aren't any upgrade paths.

Above that, especially at the $799+ price point, you start getting into territory where it might make sense to spend a little bit more and build your own PC that is more powerful and upgradeable.

I'm hoping a bundle of the frame and machine will take atleast 50$ off of each device too

 

[BlueManifest]

Plenty of guesses out there

He doesn't know anymore than the people that are saying 800

 

[vaibhavpisal]

 

[Guilty_AI]

The Steam Box will be between $299 and $999.

Book mark this post.

I'll raise the stakes to between $199 and $1499

 

[whyman]

DOA if above 400 imo.

 

[Topher]

He doesn't know anymore than the people that are saying 800

Right. Everyone is guessing is my point.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

A 4060 laptop should match it in performance.

Will be priced lower than that.

So, $499.

Pretty obvious.

 

[delirium trigger]

No matter the price, it is going to be cheaper than me going out there and hunting for a replacement laptop. I was staring at up to $2000. I don't see Gabecube go near that price. Hence good enough for me while we shelter through the AI boom.

You can go on amazon and buy a prebuilt with a better gpu like a 5060 for $800.

The parts in the steam machine aren't "old" but they're not new either.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

The parts in the steam machine aren't "old" but they're not new either.

They are old parts.

Unusable RT and upscaling.

AMD got good with RDNA 4.

 

[StereoVsn]

The 2nd one for 1,000 is better but not a ton better

If the machine ends up being 600 I wouldn't pay 400 more for that one

Esp when I consider how small and convenient the machine is

The second choice is going to be like 2x+ faster in some games.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

You can go on amazon and buy a prebuilt with a better gpu like a 5060 for $800.

The parts in the steam machine aren't "old" but they're not new either.

I don't intend to buy a true upgrade because it is just a bad time to buy high level tech while the price is artificially high. I am buying the Gabecube because i trust that it is value for what i will spend on it, and it is the right time to enter VR as well as a package.

 

[BlueManifest]

The second choice is going to be like 2x+ faster in some games.

Not sure how 2 more Tflop translates to 2X better, looks like 20-30% better

 

[StereoVsn]

Not sure how 2 more Tflop translates to 2X better, looks like 20-30% better

Steam deck is basically a cut down 7600 (non XT). So difference is going to be closer to 40-50% until you consider much better FSR implementation so you can run FSR 4 at performance with similar image quality as FSR 3.x Quality setting.

If you include RT the difference is going to be even larger, not to mention 16GB VRAM vs 8GB.

If price difference is $400 then yeah, it may not be worth it, but once you are around $200-250 territory, it's a different conversation.

Mind you, I am not saying GabeCube is going to be $750, but in case it is, makes more sense to look at other options.

 

[Rambone]

The cost of PC gaming has spiraled out of control, and I wouldn't be surprised if Valve priced the Steam Machine based on the sum of its parts rather than competing directly with console entry points like the base PS5. In other words, a price north or south of $700 seems entirely plausible until official pricing for the two models is announced. I just hope Valve secured solid component deals and leaned on smart design choices to keep costs down.

That said, I'm not impressed with the GPU's available VRAM. For me, that makes the Steam Machine a harder sell compared to holding out and putting my money toward Microsoft's next Xbox/PC/Windows hybrid. To earn a "shut up and take my money" purchase from me, the Steam Machine would need to land closer to the $400–$500 range.

 

[Little Mac]

I bought a Steam Deck OLED a handful of months ago and it's easily my favorite gaming device. Because of the seasonal Steam Sales, I already have a sizable Steam library so I'm all in on a Steam Machine Day 1 (especially if it's around $600). Regardless, I think some people here are undervaluing the curated experience this device will have, and what that means for laymen like myself.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

£500 and I'll buy it day one, anymore and Valve can take another toke on whatever they're fucking smoking.

 

[IntentionalPun]

lol love the thread title edit.. you guys want to make threads for every random thought on Twitter.

 

[BlueManifest]

I bought a Steam Deck OLED a handful of months ago and it's easily my favorite gaming device. Because of my budding Steam library, I'm all in on a Steam Machine Day 1, especially if it's around $600. Regardless, I think some people here are undervaluing the curated experience this device will have, and what that means for laymen like myself.

Or for someone that does know how to work around PC's but still doesn't like messing with them

I hate windows and I hate building pc's even though ive been through both of them, I also hate huge desktops

 

[RoboFu]

It's super hard to even build a normal pc for $1,000.

32 gig of ddr 5 is now $300

 

[Shubh_C63]

Its not a laptop though and its barely a PC, at least as far as most people buying it will be concerned. Its a gaming machine first second third and... ok maybe not fourth.

I did not knew this. You're saying I can't hook it up with a monitor and install Windows to run PowerBi or stuff. Or watch bootlegged movies via external harddisk on my Tele ?

I don't think you're right on this fact.

 

[Topher]

I did not knew this. You're saying I can't hook it up with a monitor and install Windows to run PowerBi or stuff. Or watch bootlegged movies via external harddisk on my Tele ?

I don't think you're right on this fact.

You can do whatever you want with it. It's a PC just as much as any other PC.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

It's going to be 599 USD. Source: my random thoughts. Go ahead, start a thread about it.

 

[reinking]

 

[Fabieter]

Steam has a captured audience, none of Valve's hardcore fans would buy a PS5 instead of a Steam Machine even if the Steam Machine cost twice as much as a PS5. Even Sony acknowledges the fact that they can't get anyone to move from Steam to PS5, which is why they instead port everything to Steam.

The main reason is india and china are pc countries. Lets be honest here.

 

[readonly]

699-799.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

And on top of that they will get x% of all games (in moste cases) sold on the olatform?

 

[thefool]

Entry level pc
700-1k+

Expected.
That's what i posted in the price prediction thread.

 

[Sebastian1295]

They said that the specs, form factor, and quietness of the device are reasons for the cost of the device when they eventually unveil the cost of it.

 

[Sintoid]

What PC market expects...