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clarky
Gold Member
Still listening to the interview (its and hour and a half long) but some decent stuff in there. The CEO is an interesting dude.
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Luipadre
Member
Yeah this checks out. I expected a new map every 6 months
clarky
Gold Member
Should be one not too far away imo. March would be a right kick in Marathon's teeth.
I'd take another SM sized map personally. It's my current favourite, after initially being cold on it (pun intended).
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Had around sixteen games in a row, zero dickheads, everyone was friendly. Then one game, someone just randomly shoots at me and misses, hits me on the next shot, no talking, nothing. I hunt him down and floor him, out of nowhere another player kills me as I'm asking the first knob why? This other player was talking the usual shite..
I've had this on a few occasions..
It weirdly leaves me to believe that some of these random weird situation 'killers' are a Bot
After a fair few games of everyone being friendly, one game after around ten, a no talking really shit player will try to down me, fail, but at the exact point of me finishing them off a human talking player turns up.. every, damn, time.
It's very odd.
I've put an ungodly amount of hours into this game so far and it's definitely the weirdest thing I've noticed..
clarky
Gold Member
The PVE lobbies are not 100% friendly. I end up in a few every now and again and it usually ends up with half the server chasing me around the map.Had around sixteen games in a row, zero dickheads, everyone was friendly. Then one game, someone just randomly shoots at me and misses, hits me on the next shot, no talking, nothing. I hunt him down and floor him, out of nowhere another player kills me as I'm asking the first knob why? This other player was talking the usual shite..
I've had this on a few occasions..
It weirdly leaves me to believe that some of these random weird situation 'killers' are a Bot
After a fair few games of everyone being friendly, one game after around ten, a no talking really shit player will try to down me, fail, but at the exact point of me finishing them off a human talking player turns up.. every, damn, time.
It's very odd.
I've put an ungodly amount of hours into this game so far and it's definitely the weirdest thing I've noticed..
clarky
Gold Member
To be honest I think they went too far. I end up in a PVE lobby every now and again and everyone treats me like Harold Shipman.
I think they should be 60%-70% in favour of one or the other. At the moment it feels like its almost all or nothing in either direction. PVE'ers could still easily form alliances to stay safe.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Farming the Seed Vault in Stella Montis is fun when you're low on cash (seeds) but also could be way more fun if they remade that portion of the map and funneled more players there to make it more dangerous.
clarky
Gold Member
Yeh its one of the safest portions of the map. Although its mainly just seeds. Almost everywhere else is a kick off zone.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
They need to make those seeds more valuable (higher burn rate on all resources) and they need to make it more well known (quest) so more people want to fight over it. They're so close!
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Once again ABMM confirmed: https://www.pcgamesn.com/arc-raiders/aggression-based-matchmaking
ARC Raiders won most innovative gameplay at Steam Awards:
ARC Raiders won most innovative gameplay at Steam Awards:
Superposition
Member
I finally bought my copy for PS5 Pro. Let's see what's in it, I'm really excited.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I feel shame for being skeptical about its player retention abilities a few weeks ago.Crazy that this is now trending upwards. Must be selling a ton.
Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
ARC Raiders likely won't be able to do this, but the future of the genre is no ABMM (or SBMM) but rather asymetric character builds that telegraph your personality to others. It's Star Trek...Once again ABMM confirmed: https://www.pcgamesn.com/arc-raiders/aggression-based-matchmaking
ARC Raiders won most innovative gameplay at Steam Awards:
The USS Enterprise bumping into a Klingon Bird of Prey Warship.
Nocty
Currently Steaming
I gifted the game to two friends for christmas. They both played for 4-5 hours and have uninstalled the game already.
First friend mostly plays Dota and LoL / JRPG's and very few shooters or multiplayer outside of the moba space so I get it, he just wasnt that into it.
Other friend plays a ton of shooters, CoD, Counter Strike etc, he said the game is too slow and boring.
oh well. Solo raids for your boy
First friend mostly plays Dota and LoL / JRPG's and very few shooters or multiplayer outside of the moba space so I get it, he just wasnt that into it.
Other friend plays a ton of shooters, CoD, Counter Strike etc, he said the game is too slow and boring.
oh well. Solo raids for your boy
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Second guy isn't wrong. The same is true for Tarkov too. The moment to moment gameplay isn't there. Games like CS and CoD for shooters dominate that constant engagement. Dota and league also excel in moment to moment interaction keeping you gripped.I gifted the game to two friends for christmas. They both played for 4-5 hours and have uninstalled the game already.
First friend mostly plays Dota and LoL / JRPG's and very few shooters or multiplayer outside of the moba space so I get it, he just wasnt that into it.
Other friend plays a ton of shooters, CoD, Counter Strike etc, he said the game is too slow and boring.
It's actually why I stopped playing valorant or hardcore search and destroy or rainbow six siege myself. I didn't like dying say early in a round then staring at a screen.
For arc or Tarkov you have to realize it's similar to the nothingness of battle royale at the start usually then ramps up. If they want more action go for Stella montis or seek PvP intentionally.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I tried to get my Fortnite partner into the game. He said it was too slow as well, though I'm going to try to get him into it again after the next big update.I gifted the game to two friends for christmas. They both played for 4-5 hours and have uninstalled the game already.
First friend mostly plays Dota and LoL / JRPG's and very few shooters or multiplayer outside of the moba space so I get it, he just wasnt that into it.
Other friend plays a ton of shooters, CoD, Counter Strike etc, he said the game is too slow and boring.
My dude also said he didn't like the loot aspect and that everything was confusing. I think I can still get him to like it.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
The "slow and boring" quality of Arc is one of my favorite aspects to it. I love how the game allows room to breath while playing, it adds to the atmosphere IMHO.
Nocty
Currently Steaming
yeah same.. it is what it is.
Kind of wild that a game as old as CS is still smashing it with the younger generation. I played a shit ton of CS in my time, but way too old for the fast aim headshot hunting style of play now. In my peak I was easily global elite rank but nowadays barely gold.
CowboyLou
Member
I love the slow pace of extraction shooters but they'll never be for everyone. They need absolutely impeccable atmosphere to enhance the constant (but usually low-level) tension, and to make the loop of walking around and looting compelling enough on its own. Tarkov and Arc Raiders (and Marathon) nail this to the point where I half-consider them "vibes games" punctuated by those brief moments of sheer terror and high tension, but for people who prefer constant engagement and action (like you'd get from more conventional shooters) they'll never be that appealing.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
It's so weird how you hear this for Extraction but never for JRPGs or racing games or metroidvanias.
It's almost like people subconsciously see its potential. Extraction will knock over Battle Royale as the top genre in 3 - 5 years.
brokenwatch
Member
86 hours topside. 6 days of playing. And I finally got an anvil blueprint. Found it in a raider cache on Blue Gate during a cold snap. Now I can finally start crafting. LOL.
CowboyLou
Member
Fans of the primarily single-player genres you listed (ok, racing has a significant multiplayer component too) tend to appreciate slow, deliberate gameplay more than those who prefer coked-up multiplayer action in the first place. Of course plenty of peoples' tastes overlap, but there's also plenty of non-overlap between the "muh immersion" singleplayercels and the audiences of the big MP shooters.
BR games like PUBG, Warzone, Apex, they all operate at a much faster pace than Tarkov, Arc, Hunt and thus never had as much of a problem attracting fans of CoD and other traditional MP shooters. I don't disagree there's real potential for this to change, but it's going to take a different flavor of extraction shooter. One that's generally faster-paced and hasn't been nailed down yet. CoD DMZ was a bust and Delta Force ain't it. Arc Raiders is huge, of course, but it's accomplished this by sanding down the edges, making the genre less intimidating, and succesfully appealing to the more single-player/co-op minded gamers with the heavy focus on PvE and friendly lobbies. I'm still bullish on extraction but not to the extent you are. I don't see it reaching the same heights as BR has, and even if it does, it might do so by sacrificing the elements I personally find appealing. I don't like BRs and never managed to get into any of the big ones. If nothing else, I'm happy that the current trend is one I'm much more into than BRs or hero shooters. Interesting few years ahead, that's for sure.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Extraction will kill Battle Royale because it does everything Battle Royale does. Battle Royale does not do everything Extraction does. You do not get Extraction players that migrate to Battle Royale but tons of BR players migrate to Extraction.
Extraction giving players different objectives gives the genre massive advantage over BR. It allows you to win by avoiding other players, which means you can pull in that PvE audience and you don't have to balance game additions around PvP.
Extraction having long form progression is another massive advantage over BR. I genuinely think nearly 100% of all gamers have a preference for long form progression.
I'm flabbergasted that more people don't see this. However, I go back to the invention of the smartphone and understand how many people would tell you that it isn't bringing about a fundamental shift in our society. Same thing with the internet or the automobile. Tons of people don't quite get transformative design. This genre is absolutely that.
My biggest question at the moment is how many 2026 - 2028 Extraction Shooters are built like ARC Raiders (catering more to the PvE audience) rather than Tarkov.
Ecosystems flourish when floura flourishes. You make the low skill players happy, you can build something massive.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Would anyone like it if the Extraction points produced some unpredictable variables?
Example:
- Extraction releases toxic gas for 15 seconds when doors open up.
- Weight limit only allows for two Raiders to use it at one time.
- 5 ticks spawn in the elevator when doors open...
Example:
- Extraction releases toxic gas for 15 seconds when doors open up.
- Weight limit only allows for two Raiders to use it at one time.
- 5 ticks spawn in the elevator when doors open...
dreamstation
Member
Not completely against some more unpredictability but I feel all those ones you listed favour extraction campers and/or rats looking to grief players trying to just get out. I think I'd prefer more random things that can happen in the match similar to how electromagnetic storm has the lightning strikes, but in a regular version of a map rather than a modified map.
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
My friends that have been playing Fortnite for the last 3+ years now (they're in their 40's) are now migrating to Arc Raiders after I bought it for my hype man buddy for Christmas.
He ended up buying it for me, in return, for Christmas. Maybe he bought it for everyone else? lol
clarky
Gold Member
Weight limit i could get behind I suppose. The rest would just be frustrating and like the other poster said just favour campers.
R6Rider
Gold Member
I wouldn't mind this for a location variable. No raider hatches during this too.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Limited Time Event: Campers Paradise
clarky
Gold Member
If everyone camps who are they going to shoot?
I'd like a limited timed event were players controlled the Arc. I love to be a wasp or a leaper for a round.
BigBeauford
Member
Yes please. I already exclusively run maps with modifiers for the added excitement. I also think matches could use dynamic POIs (think "Rumors are that a Queen malfunctioned and went down somewhere in the Salvage Yard") that throw players a wrench in their usual plans.
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R6Rider
Gold Member
I want to be a tick with active camo.
clarky
Gold Member
Could have a limited timed Predator event were one dude gets to be the Predator. Massively increased loot but little chance of getting out.
10 minute head start for raiders but extracts only open towards the end of the round.
Edit:
Macro fix and trigger nade nerf are in the post as per discord apparently.
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dreamstation
Member
Good and good. Any word on map exploits too?
clarky
Gold Member
Not that I can see but I'd imagine thats a top priority. Hopefully get a patch next week for some of the issues at least.
DirtInUrEye
Banned
It's hilarious how real PvE servers actually are, once you're firmly in them. I changed my playstyle on Friday night for about six rounds to test if I could sense the pace and tension easing up a bit, and by ten runs it's basically the teletubby apocalypse, even in Stellar Montis. Like bus drivers waving at each other on the route, friendly associates rummage past with their backs turned and without care: it's all very passive and there is zero sense of danger (from other players).
The only downside to my weekend adventures in the "unworkable" Arc Raiders PvE was that it took me over six hours to find six mushrooms.
The only downside to my weekend adventures in the "unworkable" Arc Raiders PvE was that it took me over six hours to find six mushrooms.
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dreamstation
Member
They need to region lock servers. Fighting Koreans with almost 800 hours played on the game is great fun on the Australian server. They play like dogs too.
Interfectum
Gold Member
just bought the game on PS5 Pro over the break... really fun game. killing people feels good and bad at the same time.
R6Rider
Gold Member
A buddy and me play Duo quite often and we have noticed we get put into Trio matches very often now. It's bullshit.Lost some insane loot today 'cause I was against a Trio despite playing Duo
Infuriating. Feels unfair, because it is.
Tried to play one last match before going to bed: another Trio
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
They changed the lobby music.
Motherf***ers, they changed the lobby music.
Motherf***ers, they changed the lobby music.
R6Rider
Gold Member
I was just playing a moment again and didn't even notice.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Wait...I might be wrong. I swear when I booted the game up, the music was different but now that I've played a few rounds it hasn't come back. Can anyone else confirm? It was pretty striking...or striking enough to post about it on GAF
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I tried restarting the game twice and I couldn't get the song to play again.
I have brain tumor. Probably going to die last week February.
I have brain tumor. Probably going to die last week February.