Ah ... I remember those simpler times. My dad got me and my brother a 486 Intel PC at ... 60 MHz, I think? It could run anything and everything perfectly. That was around ... the early 90s. And he got us a 200 MB HDD and we could install all our games.
Honestly, not really. I purchase because I can, and I want to future-proof as much as possible.
Which games are you struggling with?
You are actually saving money with that rig if you are doing AI.
Cyberpunk 2077 with RT is an example. There are also UE5 games that don't hit 60fps at 4k with a 9070xt.
That has FSR4 tho
First graphic card for me was the Nvidia GTX 260.
Crysis at least looked like it needed beefy hardware. Unlike today.
Not even the 5090 can achieve 4K at 60 fps in every game. Does that mean the 5090 is a 1440p, or even 1080p card in ark surival? Can you see how silly that sounds? If we consider the 5090 to be a 1080p card, then what about the 4060/3070 card? Are those 120p cards? Dude, can't you see how ridiculous your logic is?
For real! I'd like to think that's gonna be something we see improved in the near future, especially with GPUs and components getting more and more expensive. Better optimization would certainly be beneficial for all players, especially those without brand new-ish / decent GPUs.
Firstly I own a 5090 and consider it a 1440p card. It cannot run path tracing at native 4k. It cannot even run RT and keep a native 4k in some games. You don't buy a 5090 to play raster games at 4k. There are already lots of cards that can do that. You buy it to open the possibilities to super high refresh gaming, path tracing, and high quality raytracing.
Using your own logic, lets ignore how the vast majority of ray tracing games run and focus on one game that doesn't run well. ARK: Survival Ascended runs at 45-60fps FPS at 1440p with 50% resolution scale. This means that the 5090 isn't even a 1440p card. I'm sure that even 1080p would dip below 60 fps given how poorly the game runs. Damn dude, you paid $3000 for sub 1080p card.
You couldn't have picked a more wrong example if you tried. The video game industry is in the process of a technological transition. The transition from raster to RT. All I'm doing is measuring the cards by the era we're trying to transition into. RT is the future and the 5090 represents the first card that can deliver that future at native 1440p60fps. It cannot deliver that future at native 4k at 60fps and therefore it is not a 4k card for RT. The 4090 was the first card that could deliver that future at native 1080p 60fps. Technologies like DLSS only exist to bridge the gap.
RT is a broad tearm. Games use hybrid RT, PT, and even software ray tracing (lumen, SVOGI etc.). Many hybrid RT games runs extremely well even at 4K native on the RTX5090.
I'm not talking about hybrid rt.
So, if you want to talk about PT games specifically, how many do you know? There aren't that many if we dont count mods for older games. Developers usually add PT just to push the limits of GPUs and future-proof their games. Do you expect to max out these PT games on current hardware at 4K native?
In about 2-3 generations, we should be able to max these games out at 4k native. That's why for these workloads, it's a 1440p card. Outside these PT workloads, there's no point of even considering a 5090 other than for work. A 5080 or 5070ti will allow you to play at 4k at the fraction of the cost.
You don't know what you're talking about and don't understand CPU limit either.
You must be clowning right? Surely no one can be this obtuse? What do cpu limits have to do with this:
Yeah, I don't have a 5090, check #1 spot for reference and beat it: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/2026-official-neogaf-3dmark-port-royal-benchmark-wars.1691881/You must be clowning right? Surely no one can be this obtuse? What do cpu limits have to do with this:
If you don't have a 5090, don't talk please. You don't know what you're talking about. I use mine everyday and can clearly see it dropping from 60fps at 4k in some games without DLSS.
The flight simulator is certainly CPU-limited, at least with the settings maxed out. Check out this video. The game often dips below 60 fps at 4K DLAA, but the GPU isnt maxed out.
This is why you only buy from people in quarter zips
Great then why are you talking? You jump in half way through the discussion lacking context and chime in incorrectly? To what end?
If you think I spent $4000 CAD to use DLSS, I'd say you're the one who has lost the plot. If I wanted to use DLSS in all my games, I'd buy a 5070ti and call it a day.
FalconPunch: "RTX 4090 is a 720p GPU"
Which UE5 games are unoptimized? The ones that use lumen and nanite? The ones that run an older version of ue5? There are a bunch of them.....
I never said that but sure.... Cry all you want about it, the simple truth is at 4k native with path tracing, heavy rt and some ue5 games, the 5090 cannot deliver 60fps.
You are of course free to your own arbitrary standards but you do realize that the vast majority of people enjoy DLSS a lot?
I do realize that a lot of people enjoy it. However, I prefaced my very first statement regarding the 5090 in this thread by saying the following:
DLSS has a lot of artifacts. In some games, it works really well while in others it doesn't. Each person has different aspects of image quality and general graphics that acts as annoyance. There's no one size fits all.
For sure, Ark: Survival Ascended, Oblivion, and maybe even Borderlands 4 (although I really like this game). Even my RTX 4080S can run some UE5 games at 4K resolution and still get 60 fps and high settings (some even at maxed-out settings, like Assetto Corsa Rally). The RTX 5090 is twice as fast. John from DSOG tested almost all UE5 games on his site, and the 5090 could deliver 60 fps in the vast majority at worst with just minor adjustments (very high or high details instead of epic).
Yeah and I heavily disagree with that statement but you do you.
I didn't show any of those games in the screenshots I posted though? The 4080S is a good card. I used to have one. Went from 4090 -> 4080 Super -> 5090.
It could be twice as fast? Last I checked, on techpowerup it was 83% faster so things might have changed. Look at how expensive the 5090 is, the idea of dropping settings for such a price premium is a tad ridiculous to me.
I mean you're free to, it's a free world. However, like I've said from the start, I'm judging the GPU on compute not on it's ability to generate pixels using a machine learning algorithm.
