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[lachesis]

I guess I can do MS Office stuff on my Xbox now then?

 

[Esppiral]

So it will offer the same freedom as a windows desktop PC, that on its own is huge, but let's see how they manage this full windows OS in a console.....

 

[Sgt.Asher]

Will it also be the first agentic console?

 

[Topher]

Super curious as to what this is or maybe what they are might be more accurately worded

Really interesting to see if the Xbox console has indeed died for straight up Xbox PC

It wasn't terribly long ago it was still a thing but in all honesty I haven't gamed with those who know for sure for months so I am falling out of the loop by personal choice

That's been in the back of my mind every time this is brought up. Is it still a console and everybody (other than you) has it wrong? Plenty of conflicting information about it so I'm not putting my money on any horse. Just waiting to see.

 

[SNG32]

So it will offer the same freedom as a windows desktop PC, that on its own is huge, but let's see how they manage this full windows OS in a console.....

It's a fuckin pc for Christ sakes. It sounds like they going the Alienware x51 direction but only you won't be able to upgrade the hardware.

 

[Putonahappyface]

It's to preserve Xbox libraries, so those who already bought can continue to play.

Not physical media though.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

That's been in the back of my mind every time this is brought up. Is it still a console and everybody (other than you) has it wrong? Plenty of conflicting information about it so I'm not putting my money on any horse. Just waiting to see.

I feel very lonely out here on this tiny branch I have been sitting on and I hear it cracking

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

 

[Punished Miku]

Super curious as to what this is or maybe what they are might be more accurately worded

Really interesting to see if the Xbox console has indeed died for straight up Xbox PC

It wasn't terribly long ago it was still a thing but in all honesty I haven't gamed with those who know for sure for months so I am falling out of the loop by personal choice

I always said it was going to be a PC for one reason. It literally has to be.

It will be a small number of these sold for profit, meaning no one is going to be making special Xbox versions of these games. They have to run windows PC games to have any games.

But yeah, hopefully they get it as close to a console form factor and ease of use as possible. Add in the BC and it does pretty much everything I could want in a system.

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

This won't be subsidized. Microsoft is out of the subsidized hardware business. It's near impossible to subsidize a machine that uses multiple storefronts. The Steam Machine only has one store front and there's word that even it won't be subsidized. There would have to be another low-powered SKU that's locked down to just the XBFSE like a traditional console in order for this to work.

They are already socializing the "premium" nature of this device. It won't be cheap. The best they can do is partner with a BNPL provider like Affirm or bundle it with a 3-year GPU subscription.

lol then I guess your out. You will be playing with other PC players and that a lone is going to have you playing with tons of hackers. Rainbow 6 literally has a running ban list that just constantly SPAMs your screen as you play. That's just the people they are catching. I remember my rank was being adjusted every single day I got onto the game at one point. Either because I played against a hacker or a hacker was on my team.



There's nothing to doubt. They wont be doing any of this. They will be charging a high price and they don't give a shit if you buy it or not. I don't understand how anyone can post on this site and still think Xbox give a shit about selling hardware.

Yeah, I'm expecting the same as you guys. I'm just saying that if they want to onboard anyone outside of the ones already balls-deep in the Xbox ecosystem they've got to sweeten the deal somehow.

If nothing else, it will be interesting to see how MS will try to sell this device. Their PR department and talking heads have been muddy/retarded for quite a while, so at least I expect it to be entertaining.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I feel very lonely out here on this tiny branch I have been sitting on and I hear it cracking

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

Social Cringe Science  Thread 'Lonely? Will you ever create an AI companion?'

Thursday at 4:42 PM

There is a loneliness pandemic. This was exacerbated by covid but also the result of long term societal shifts. Men in particular are often left out of solutions. Our own powerful and potent masculinity can prevent us from seeing help. Our egos work against us.

This article from The Guardian outlines how specifically women are using AI to augment their companionship and prevent loneliness.

The women in love with AI companions: ‘I vowed to my chatbot that I wouldn’t leave him’

Experts are concerned about people emotionally depending on AI, but these women say their digital companions are misunderstood

www.theguardian.com

Sam Altman is bringing adult mode to chatgpt and it is...

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[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Never go full Windows

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

This will be dead on arrival.

It's hard to understand how a global player of this scale could make such consistently poor decisions.


The strategy pursued between 2022 and 2025 may have caused irreparable damage to the Xbox brand.

Damn you think?

 

[SNG32]

I always said it was going to be a PC for one reason. It literally has to be.

It will be a small number of these sold for profit, meaning no one is going to be making special Xbox versions of these games. They have to run windows PC games to have any games.

But yeah, hopefully they get it as close to a console form factor and ease of use as possible. Add in the BC and it does pretty much everything I could want in a system.

The BC part I don't understand is it something in the hardware that will allow this? Like it seems ridiculous if they are going the bc route and fully pc that the only way you can access games you bought is to buy one of these pcs.

 

[Punished Miku]

The BC part I don't understand is it something in the hardware that will allow this? Like it seems ridiculous if they are going the bc route and fully pc that the only way you can access games you bought is to buy one of these pcs.

I'm not a rocket scientist. But I imagine you have an Xbox Series X and a PC. Take out all the parts that are redundant and do the exact same thing. Narrow the Xbox down to the absolute minimum needed unique hardware and it's basically a chip. Put that chip in a PC and it enables BC. Similar to the OG PS3 playing PS2 games, or any other hardware BC like 3DS / DS, Wii U / Wii etc.

They probably have to do it this way, because using that chip counts as an Xbox. So they get to use the games without licensing problems.

 

[SNG32]

I'm not a rocket scientist. But I imagine you have an Xbox Series X and a PC. Take out all the parts that are redundant and do the exact same thing. Narrow the Xbox down to the absolute minimum needed unique hardware and it's basically a chip. Put that chip in a PC and it enables BC. Similar to the OG PS3 playing PS2 games, or any other hardware BC like 3DS / DS, Wii U / Wii etc.

Yea this thing about to be dead on arrival this thing about to cost double the PS6. Sony had to eventually take out the ps2 chip from the ps3 to make it cheaper.

 

[Sethbacca]

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

Nobody expects that. Rumors are just rumors, anybody who doesn't understand that is lost anyway.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yea this thing about to be dead on arrival this thing about to cost double the PS6.

It's not any more DoA than all the other prebuilt PCs out there that no one tracks sales of or cares about. It's sold for a profit so it's not going for mass adoption. Yes, it will be pricy.

If you are an Xbox player now and want to stick with that, this gives you basically anything you could possibly want. You get your library, all the PC stores, free online, GP, no more worrying about missing ports ever, better performance.

Only downside is high cost up front. Everything else is a big upgrade over Series X assuming they nail the system UI.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Yeah, that's a fair assessment. They have to have some kind of hook that says "this is why you want this over other products". That's what we've been speculating for months now. Personally looking forward to the reveal and finding out what this thing really is.



I owned a 9070 XT and went back to Nvidia. AMD isn't where they need to be with upscaling. DLSS is just so far ahead. But AMD lagging behind Nvidia has the status quo for many years. That's why Nvidia dominates the market share for PC gaming. So even if AMD does catch up with Nvidia, you've still got to convince people to take a chance with it. That won't be easy.

The 9070XT has done a good job and has won many people over this generation. It's better than a 5070 and has 16gb of vram. Yes you are right the scaling isn't quite as good as Nvidia but i own a 4090 and a 9070 XT and honestly I think it's one of the best GPUs in years.

I agree though, this device is going to have a serious uphill battle.

I can only imagine that ms is hoping they can capture the market of people who are buying prebuilt pcs and offer a simple solution. Maybe, for those console owners that want to look at moving over to pc

The problem is .....the world is fed up with MS and Xbox. They've failed to deliver after years of opportunity. I will check this device out but it would have to be perfect on every front for the wider market, outside of die hard tech fans to even contemplate handing over their hard earned cash for it.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

This gives them one giant advantage. They no longer need to worry about those pesky stubborn long term users who keep using the console they bought long after their new shit is out. They'll just kill support for Windows 11 with security patches and the problem will sort itself out when all those users have viruses on their machine uploading viagra ads with copilot.

 

[Topher]

I feel very lonely out here on this tiny branch I have been sitting on and I hear it cracking

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

Nah.....you've said enough times that you could be wrong. But hey.....if you are right you'll be able to take so many screenshots of past posts that you'll make O onQ123 cringe.

 

[memoryman3]

This gives them one giant advantage. They no longer need to worry about those pesky stubborn long term users who keep using the console they bought long after their new shit is out. They'll just kill support for Windows 11 with security patches and the problem will sort itself out when all those users have viruses on their machine uploading viagra ads with copilot.

?

Why would this console not get the next OS? Windows 11 required specific security features that older processors didn't have.

 

[Punished Miku]

This gives them one giant advantage. They no longer need to worry about those pesky stubborn long term users who keep using the console they bought long after their new shit is out. They'll just kill support for Windows 11 with security patches and the problem will sort itself out when all those users have viruses on their machine uploading viagra ads with copilot.

Or it'll just update to Windows 12 and not be a big issue at all.

 

[Plague Doctor]

So a gaming pc?

Yep. We are entering the stage called acceptance.

 

[Alan Silvestro]

 

[Darsxx82]

Super curious as to what this is or maybe what they are might be more accurately worded

Really interesting to see if the Xbox console has indeed died for straight up Xbox PC

It wasn't terribly long ago it was still a thing but in all honesty I haven't gamed with those who know for sure for months so I am falling out of the loop by personal choice

Since the confirmation of its development with the "announcement of a multi-year collaboration with AMD"... all the press releases from MS and AMD, interviews with Xbox staff, and even leaks include descriptions of the product and, literally, differentiate between the Xbox console and the PC when referring to "Next-Gen hardware."

My thinking leads me to believe that it definitely has to be a product with many typical features that offer a console "experience" beyond a simple PC box running Windows 11. Otherwise, there would be no need to expressly differentiate and mention "our next console" if it's only going to offer and function like any current PC.

Let's hope the terms are anninced and the speculation ends so we can get a clear picture of what it is and what it offers.

The price, the power, the catalog you can access, the OS experience and fluidity, third-party game support and optimization, how the BC will run... there are still more important things to know to determine if it is a product with potential and appeal to the consumer than whether or not it meets the historical criteria to identify that product as a "console," which has been the subject of so much unnecessary controversy for so long.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I feel very lonely out here on this tiny branch I have been sitting on and I hear it cracking

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

I do feel that this first attempt ( if they even get more than one ) will look more console like than pc like and will be advertised more as a console experience, easy to use blah blah blah. They will try and get the console players that want to move to pc or are tempted to take a step over.

Who knows really though. Anything a possible. It just seems more like it will be a set spec like a laptop motherboard with a big console apu on it in a console form factor running windows.

Frankenstein!

Or...... Frankenslop!

 

[onQ123]

Super curious as to what this is or maybe what they are might be more accurately worded

Really interesting to see if the Xbox console has indeed died for straight up Xbox PC

It wasn't terribly long ago it was still a thing but in all honesty I haven't gamed with those who know for sure for months so I am falling out of the loop by personal choice

I believe it's a Xbox Console from Microsoft & a PC that's Xbox Capable from Microsoft then OEM devices from other companies that will use the chips from AMD to be able to play Xbox games .

 

[Three]

Full windows, as in, can run MS office 365 Copilot
?

FTFY

 

[MisterXDTV]

The BC part I don't understand is it something in the hardware that will allow this? Like it seems ridiculous if they are going the bc route and fully pc that the only way you can access games you bought is to buy one of these pcs.

Basically AMD is putting their current Series "emulation layer" logic in their hardware.

At first it should be "exclusive" to this Microsoft device...

In the future AMD will be able to put it on any OEM/device they want to

 

[SNG32]

Basically AMD is putting their current Series "emulation layer" logic in their hardware.

At first it should be "exclusive" to this Microsoft device...

In the future AMD will be able to put it on any OEM/device they want to

Some one will find a way to emulate it on Nvidia GPUs if that's the case.

 

[mayham2199]

I feel very lonely out here on this tiny branch I have been sitting on and I hear it cracking

Ready to eat lots of crow at some point

You've said plenty of times that plans could change. I think we've all seen how all over the place MS\Xbox has been this gen enough to know that's a real possibility.

Yeah, I'm expecting the same as you guys. I'm just saying that if they want to onboard anyone outside of the ones already balls-deep in the Xbox ecosystem they've got to sweeten the deal somehow.

If nothing else, it will be interesting to see how MS will try to sell this device. Their PR department and talking heads have been muddy/retarded for quite a while, so at least I expect it to be entertaining.

I think MS expects to not only not onboard anyone outside of the ones already balls deep in Xbox. They also plan on losing even some of those people. I think you can expect the same amount of effort\PR as they do for their surface laptops (which I do love) but would never buy one of my own. My company got it for me and it's great.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Some one will find a way to emulate it on Nvidia GPUs if that's the case.

Sure they will try to.... On PC everything gets modded/ported all the time

 

[I wasn't selling any]

It has only a chance if the price is somehow subsidized, which most likely won't happen, because the dimensions of the hardware sales have such a minimal impact on the turnover, that Micro$lop probably won't bother.

But in case it is subsidized to some degree, and really can run regular x86 Windows applications, I'd be interested.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The 9070XT has done a good job and has won many people over this generation. It's better than a 5070 and has 16gb of vram. Yes you are right the scaling isn't quite as good as Nvidia but i own a 4090 and a 9070 XT and honestly I think it's one of the best GPUs in years.

I agree though, this device is going to have a serious uphill battle.

I can only imagine that ms is hoping they can capture the market of people who are buying prebuilt pcs and offer a simple solution. Maybe, for those console owners that want to look at moving over to pc

The problem is .....the world is fed up with MS and Xbox. They've failed to deliver after years of opportunity. I will check this device out but it would have to be perfect on every front for the wider market, outside of die hard tech fans to even contemplate handing over their hard earned cash for it.

I hate the Magnus in a PC, but I LOVE it's potential in a laptop. I could see it being an excellent Linux machine.

 

[MayaXG]

Windows being dominant doesn't bring them very much money when they're giving away OS upgrades for free, and keys can be bought on gray market sites for $20. The install base is irrelevant to the gaming discussion if they aren't making money regularly selling Windows licenses to gamers. Most of the money they make in Windows is B-2-B.

DirectX also doesn't make money directly. Gamers don't pay an extra fee to use it to play their games, and developers don't pay a licensing fee to use it in their game.

"The Xbox app on PC is a major PC storefront." - Based on what metric? Number of games available? Monthly active users? Revenue? What metrics can we look at for any of those, and how do they stack up against Steam?



Then can you explain to me how Microsoft is actually making money off of PC games? Can you provide any metrics for how much money they are making that can be compared to a competitor like Steam?

They have an anemic storefront that almost all PC gamers ignore. It doesn't matter that they're the Windows people, or that they get a percentage of all games sold on their storefront if gamers aren't using it.

You not understanding how a company makes money on a product does not delegitimize that product.

 

[memoryman3]

I hate the Magnus in a PC, but I LOVE it's potential in a laptop. I could see it being an excellent Linux machine.

I don't get this obsession with Linux. It can't really play multiplayer games w/anticheat and there's a lot of friction if you want to play games outside Steam.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't get this obsession with Linux. It can't really play multiplayer games w/anticheat and there's a lot of friction if you want to play games outside Steam.

Some people want an alternative outside of what MSFT tells you that you should want or need.

And some are hobbyists.

Even MSFT uses Unix systems, primarily Linux for their Azure cloud infrastructure.

 

[MayauMiao]

So it will offer the same freedom as a windows desktop PC, that on its own is huge, but let's see how they manage this full windows OS in a console.....

How does it offer the same freedom? Can the RAM be upgrade? PSU replaced? Graphic chip replaced? Knowing Microsoft, their Xbox branded "PC" will likely to cost more because of Xbox tax.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I don't get this obsession with Linux. It can't really play multiplayer games w/anticheat and there's a lot of friction if you want to play games outside Steam.

Cool story bro. I don't get how anyone wouldn't want to move on from Windows when its clear that Microsoft has no desire or skill to improve it and make it gamer friendly.

 

[amigastar]

I'm more interested in the new Sebile controller by Microsoft. I really want one.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I have xbox one x so...

1) Will the pre-built next gen xbox/pc hybrid have a ultra-blu ray disk drive built in or do you have to buy it seperatley?
1a) If separately, is it custom or can you buy any external ultra blu ray disk drive?
2) I am assuming that the zen6/rdna 5 combo is most likley to upscale/mod previous gen series, one, and 360 games by: increasing resolution, better textures, more fps, ray tracing, filters?!
3) Next gen xbox games will just be designed for PC (x86?) and will be compatible with Intel/NVIDIA hardware?

 

[The_Mike]

This would made me have considered the next Xbox.

However, now with the Steam Machine I see very little reason to get an Xbox, unless there's a huge price difference between the two.

 

[Crayon]

This is sounding like a rog ally xl. I can only imagine two purposes for it.

The good reason: giving invested users at least some way to play their library. Too bad it will be so expensive but at least it's an option.

The stupid reason: Attempting to save face by gaslighting that they are still making xbox's.

 

[NickFire]

Well, let's say it like this: If Microsoft flipped a switch today, the xbox Series could easily run Word, Excel, and even Photoshop natively. They basically just kept it locked down to prevent general purpose computing: It's strategical, not technical. They don't have to add on much to the existing Xbox Windows 11 core to make things happen, they'll basically just remove (some of) the lockdown layers.

So are you saying the current Xbox operating system is just Windows with some stuff locked down, as opposed to its own operating system?

Separate topic, how long does the existing Xbox eco-system last while mattering, if this is just a PC now? I'm sure it would be alright in first couple years when people hang onto the Series consoles. But does it just die after that?

And will people buy sports and other 3rd party games (and microtransactions) through a Windows store that MS gets 30% of? That's a lot of money down the drain if the answer is no. I honestly have no clue where the PC players buy sports games. I've assumed Steam but just assumed as I am console only.

I don't have a crystal ball. Maybe going straight up PC is a great idea and the notion of the console truly going away just needs time to get used to. Feels off though.

Finally, I have wondered if the audience and even the actual gaming division execs have been allowed to believe there will be another console when the people are the very top of MS planned to boil the frog when it comes to dropping it. It seemed possible but still far fetched. Not thinking its far fetched anymore.

 

[mckmas8808]

Once again another failure from Microsoft. An Xbox "console" that runs full Windows, an OS that is already disliked by many.

Yeah, no way this story can be real.

 

[SNG32]

Honestly Xbox should just liscence Xbox for any pc hardware manufacture that wants to use it. The backwards compatibility is so miniscule the the juice ain't worth the squeeze. If you want to play old xbox game keep your old console.

 

[mckmas8808]

So let me see if I have this right:

They would basically need to make something like a more powerful Steam Machine, but then it will also need a custom chip on the board for dealing with all older generations of games? They have to have some proprietary Xbox hardware chip in this thing, or else they would just be doing full software emulation which would violate some of the contract terms they signed for games in the past. So we're still talking a custom board for this new machine. It's not like they can re-purpose any off-the-shelf gaming laptop motherboard.

Does that sound right?

There's no way MS will do this. It'll cost a fortune.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

There's no way MS will do this. It'll cost a fortune.

They wont do the custom chip?

We have pretty good leaks on that very chip

 

[Punished Miku]

but then it will also need a custom chip on the board for dealing with all older generations of games?

The chip is a hardware recreation of Series compatibility. 360 and OG Xbox are emulation. Those emulators currently run on Series consoles with their current BC program.

 

[mckmas8808]

They wont do the custom chip?

We have pretty good leaks on that very chip

I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote this post.....

It has only a chance if the price is somehow subsidized, which most likely won't happen, because the dimensions of the hardware sales have such a minimal impact on the turnover, that Micro$lop probably won't bother.

But in case it is subsidized to some degree, and really can run regular x86 Windows applications, I'd be interested.

Because no way this happens. It'll cost MS too much money to subsize this beast of a console/PC idea.