Robb
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Should be comparable as is. Otherwise stuff like BotW, Mario Kart 8 etc. should be removed from the Switch (1) as well.
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The Game Business - Nintendo Switch 2 sales stumble over Christmas
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Sintoid
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I don't think that comparing WiiU Vs Switch games impact is equal to Switch to Switch2
Robb
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But by that point it just becomes subjective.
I think it's better to just show the actual first party output of each, then we can judge it for ourselves and add/remove whatever we want.
But yes, the impact of BotW on Switch vs. Switch 2 is obviously not even close to being similar. But each game's 'impact' isn't really the point. It's just a picture of the lineup for each.
Alan Wake
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This is far more expected than the record breaking launch it had despite basically nothing exciting to play. The Japanese are obviously in the Nintendo boat since 2017 but for a Western audience there wasn't really that much to be excited about. Despite all that I got one for the kids this Christmas. But no games. They'll use it to play Minecraft for now. I needed a second Switch and why spend 300 USD on the old one when I'll eventually buy Switch 2 down the line anyway.
Sintoid
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But if you look to that list with the eyes of a normal Switch 1 to Switch 2 consumer all the upgrades disappear, the Nintendo effort is almost worthless from this point of view.
Robb
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Possibly, same as with WiiU owners looking at the Switch (1) lineup.
Although I think the Switch 2 lineup is more compelling in that sense since there's upgrade paths to the Switch 2 Editions this time. Going from WiiU to Switch (1) you had to re-purchase all the updated titles at full price.
Sintoid
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Disagree - true that WiiU users had to buy back the whole game (actually Zelda was a simultaneous release more than an upgrade) but again WiiU users were so few that the comparison with Switch 1 to 2 upgrades is ungenerous at least
Robb
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You're free to feel that way of course and you can adjust it and make whatever list you want to show, as I said the comparison is just about the games released, not any subjective valuation of each title.
Although Nintendo revealed in their Q2 report that 84% of Switch 2 purchases came from Switch (1) users, so the lineup does seem to be compelling for people who already have the first system. But make of that what you will.
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Zathalus
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Shell of a success? A bit hyperbolic don't you think? In Japan, where the console is significantly cheaper, the Switch 2 sales are almost inline with the original Switch and are up if you compare the entire year, despite only being on the market for less time.I swear there was this wise man saying how the Switch 2 would end up being just a shell of success of the Switch 1. The Nintendo Die hards were telling that guy he didn't know what the was talking about, Weird.
Even if you just use NA/Europe the sales are far from bad, just down compared to the enormous success of the Switch 1. Which considering the price and the economic uncertainty isn't that much of a shock.
Everything indicates Nintendo still has a 110 million + system on their hands. Just maybe not the 160 million seller as the Switch 1. Unless manufacturing costs nosedive and they slash the price, than the Switch 2 likely can sell even more, but that 160 million is probable still out of reach.
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Same ol G
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So your just talking crap, i asked you which games apart from MKW.
You can't give an example and you cherry pick what 4 retailers from different countries while the the EU is much bigger than that.
Don't you see it yourself that it's disingenious to frame it the way you do, it's frankly just not true.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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It's hilarious. Machine has only been out half a year and change.
Radical_3d
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D-otter-fence?
Emmy Ator Best
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This you?I swear there was this wise man saying how the Switch 2 would end up being just a shell of success of the Switch 1. The Nintendo Die hards were telling that guy he didn't know what the was talking about, Weird.
Agreeing with Colin Moriarty saying the Switch was going to fail?
More like Colin was Wrong. Now I understand why you want the Switch 2 to fail so badly. Last gen you were hurt by Nintendo's success.
Sohurmk833
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The most expensive Switch 2 Game on Amazon right now is not even 70 € .
Mario Kart World 68,90€
Donkey Kong Bananza 67,99€
Metroid Prime 4 58,99€
I am not saying that it would be unsuccessful. That was a joke comment. /j. Its early days and lot of things can change from now on.
Markio128
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Since completing another enjoyable run of Zelda, my Switch 2 has become nothing more than an ornament. I'm actually really impressed that it is selling as well as it is tbh because I personally don't see the value in it atm, especially since my daughter has shown no interest in it at all, and she used to bloody love playing MK on Switch 1.
Sohurmk833
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You mean apart from playing the vast majority of Switch games in a superior version and new exclusive games almost every month?
andreacusi
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I think I will reserve my take when the official numbers are out.
But it's clear that if that is the case , it would be hard to point out just one reason for this situation. As always, things are the result of many concurrent and conjunctural circumstances. In this case, it would be both Nintendo's fault as well as the general state of the world's.
But then again, i think Switch 2 still is on pace for the best selling console of all time.
But it's clear that if that is the case , it would be hard to point out just one reason for this situation. As always, things are the result of many concurrent and conjunctural circumstances. In this case, it would be both Nintendo's fault as well as the general state of the world's.
But then again, i think Switch 2 still is on pace for the best selling console of all time.
VGA-Games
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10 Million in September 2025
IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units
www.nintendo.co.jp
15 Million until Today is absolutely Possible considering the Sales of the Nintendo Switch 2 in the last Months.
Emmy Ator Best
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But don't you think the higher price will hold it back to a certain extent? It will do well, more than 100 million sold for sure, but I don't see how it can possibly surpass 160.
andreacusi
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Sorry, i didn't mean in the long run. I was just stating the fact that no console in history has sold as much as the SW2 in their first 6 months of existence (as far as i know).
You could go into about any Walmart and find them really with no issues even during the holidays. I know a lot of sells are online but when you see S2 available in store days before Christmas,you know something is off.
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KungFucius
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The Switch 1 is not cheap in the US, they jacked the prices. Though I do think I saw discounts so maybe that hurt them. They even discounted the Switch 2 Mario bundle after, presumably, getting their asses kicked by Sony over black Friday week. The wiicube is a good thought. I could see that causing some parents to try it to save a few hundred.
I am still hoping they learn from this and drop prices a bit, especially the 80/90 dollar game bullshit. The accessory pricing is fucking ridiculous.
JohnnyFootball
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I just hope that this showed Nintendo that maybe...just maybe...they aren't completely invincible.
ChuckeRearmed
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Price + there is basically no reason to buy it over Switch 1 if you have no games you are interest in.
GoldenEye98
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I feel like at a minimum Nintendo needs to hold the price of Switch 2. Going up in price(which they've implied) would just be bad for it's success.
Sohurmk833
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Yeah, there is no way Nintendo can up the price without tanking sales. Actually i wouldn't be surprised if we see a moderate pricecut down to 399 depending how bad the holidays really were. They did the same with the 3DS when that underperformed.
Robb
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Not to say they can't/shouldn't cut the price or need a kick in the nuts as a company but the 3DS's situations was nothing like this.
The 3DS actually underperformed, as in not reaching any of the fiscal year sales estimates on a quarterly basis. The Switch 2's initial estimate was 15M units, and that was increased to 19M units last quarter. It's already over performing.
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MisterXDTV
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Absolutely, WiiU was a dead, failed product that nobody cared about
Switch was a revolutionary product in 2017
Switch 2 is exactly the same product as the Switch with better hardware inside
So the perceived value is not there, especially since all current Switch 2 games run on Switch 1 anyway
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GoldenEye98
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I think what they'll do is keep the price but actually have sales. Which they didn't really do with Switch 1.
Fbh
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The hardcore players rushed to upgrade, but now they have to convince the casuals to spend $450 on a new Switch to buy $70-80 games with no killer app so far.
A big challenge they'll have this gen is that they already made what feels like the "ultimate" version of some of their key franchises on the Switch 1. Mario Kart 8 with the DLC gives you a game that still plays and looks great and has a massive selection of tracks (I think it's over 90 now?). It's going to take more than a half assed open world to convince casual players the new entry is worth spending $500 to play.
Same with Smash, you've got Ultimate with a massive selection of characters and stages, how do you follow that up? If it's just more of the same with fewer character and stages and slightly better graphics it's not going to set the world on fire.
IMO the franchise they should really focus on this gen is Pokemon. That one still has a lot of improvement potential, you can easily picture a new entry that completely blows away what's available on Switch 1 and really drives casual players towards the new hardware.
A big challenge they'll have this gen is that they already made what feels like the "ultimate" version of some of their key franchises on the Switch 1. Mario Kart 8 with the DLC gives you a game that still plays and looks great and has a massive selection of tracks (I think it's over 90 now?). It's going to take more than a half assed open world to convince casual players the new entry is worth spending $500 to play.
Same with Smash, you've got Ultimate with a massive selection of characters and stages, how do you follow that up? If it's just more of the same with fewer character and stages and slightly better graphics it's not going to set the world on fire.
IMO the franchise they should really focus on this gen is Pokemon. That one still has a lot of improvement potential, you can easily picture a new entry that completely blows away what's available on Switch 1 and really drives casual players towards the new hardware.
TheGodfather07
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A new Nintendo system without a new Mario or zelda game even announced was a bad idea. You can only sell it on the brand name strength for so long before things slow down. Especially at this price, which is not as affordable as usual for a Nintendo system. I mean its damn near Same price as an Xbox or PS5 with a gigantic difference in hardware specifications! Even as a core gamer, I ain't even considering buying the switch 2 until it's cheaper. It's not worth it at all at the current price.
Mozza
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Not so sure those entirely new consoles like the Wii U and 3DS where all that successful. And to be honest not all that different.
Mozza
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Mario Kart ??
Robb
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Animal Crossing might be another one they can do a lot with to evolve in the future. No one expected New Horizons to perform as well as it did. Will be interesting to see where they take that franchise going forward.
In some ways it's even a step back from the previous model, like lacking a OLED screen.
cireza
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Wii U and 3DS were quite different from Wii and DS, and it was pretty obvious from launch. This is how they created excitement, and this is what Iwata was always seeking when launching a new product. Something new, different from the previous console, with games that demonstrated the features and had you wanting to try the console.
Wii U came out with Nintendo Land and this game was a blast. It was super fun and super well made, and you had nothing equivalent on Wii. Zombi U was also very cool.
3DS launched with Pilot Wing Resorts and in 3D it was amazing and a great demonstration of how well the screen worked.
Switch 2 on the other hand is a business-men product with zero creativity, zero risk and zero excitement. This is the blandest iteration they could come up with.
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Mozza
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Different but still pretty similar then, the clue is in the names for goodness sake.
TKOFromTokyo
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Wii U had little excitement. It's the only Nintendo home console I've ever skipped. The Wii was for casuals and the gamepad gimmick wasn't big enough to convince casuals, especially with the name similarity to the Wii. In the end, it had some great games, but it wasn't different enough and motions controls were a fad.
Yes i know but it's possible or it could be way behind those numbers are BS, unless its a reliable source that's nintendo no one can get get WW numbers.10 Million in September 2025
IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units
www.nintendo.co.jp
15 Million until Today is absolutely Possible considering the Sales of the Nintendo Switch 2 in the last Months.
Same ol G
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I already told this person, there are no 90 euro games at retail, also MKW was the only one at that price point.
But he doesn't respond to that, it's just trolling when you present the facts they disappear.
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cireza
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Even if it didn't, what matters here is the intention. At least that's my point.
asdasdasdbb
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That's because the $ tanked.
Randall365
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I'm probably not the best judge of this, as I was Day 1 on Switch and Switch 2, but I would have thought that all the Nintendo nerds would have upgraded, but the general public would be less educated.
The Wii U was pulled from sale months before the Switch was released, so the Switch was the only game in town from Nintendo. The Switch 1 is still being produced and is competing with the Switch 2 and is presumably a viable option for people on a budget.
It does not mean the Switch 2 is worse - it is just Nintendo's strategy. If Nintendo pulled the Switch from sale, I expect Switch 2 numbers would have been higher.
The Wii U was pulled from sale months before the Switch was released, so the Switch was the only game in town from Nintendo. The Switch 1 is still being produced and is competing with the Switch 2 and is presumably a viable option for people on a budget.
It does not mean the Switch 2 is worse - it is just Nintendo's strategy. If Nintendo pulled the Switch from sale, I expect Switch 2 numbers would have been higher.
graywolf323
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Bosman put out a video about this
who's alt are you? ~300 posts in nearly 19 years
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Mozza
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So basically a Wii with HD and a tablet... Yes so very different.
TheMule1983
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Bosman put out a video about this
who's alt are you? ~300 posts in nearly 19 years
lol not an alt. Just don't post. Can look up my gamertag and psn if you want, same name.
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