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RDNA 5 hardware won't be ready until 2027.

AMD's Next-Gen RDNA 5 Gaming GPUs Might Launch After NVIDIA's RTX 60 Series In 2027

AMD's next-generation RDNA 5 Gaming GPU family is reportedly going to launch after NVIDIA's RTX 60 series, as per rumors.

wccftech.com

No point releasing anything until that is ready or they'll find themselves with weaker RDNA 4 hardware.

I am not even sure RDNA 4 hardware would be possible unless they stuck 9070 or 9070XT in there as there is no custom RDNA 4 APU design.

 

[bitbydeath]

Well in that case, there's no point in talking about upsetting the customer base by releasing early, since it definitely won't happen, as 2027 would be 7 years since the last console. Definitely not too early.

If anything pushes next-gen back it'll be RDNA 5 slipping further, but I haven't seen any signs of it releasing after 2027 yet.

 

[Radical_3d]

Why do people ignore this point so much?

Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Unreasonable by acknowledging it immediately after being made aware of it?

 

[Radical_3d]

Unreasonable by acknowledging it immediately after being made aware of it?

I was just fooling around. Don't take me seriously.

 

[squallbr]

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I was just fooling around. Don't take me seriously.

Sorry, you're not really on my radar so the tone completely passed me by.

 

[bitbydeath]

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So, that's basically end of Covid pandemic when Xbox hardware sales totally collapsed from 2022 and onwards

This is interesting because as we know the sales were front-loaded and the chances of doubling are slim. So overall sales may be less than 24M, could even be less than 20M.

 

[damidu]

whats funny is, that figure will most certainly look mighty impressive in retrospect, next to magnus sales.
just like xbone does against series.
they are in death spiral.

 

[Codes 208]

could be worse, could be wii u numbers (managing only about 13m in 5 years)

But obviously not great either. Its less than half the ps5 in the same amount of time and I suspect the switch 2 will eclipse it by either the end of the this year or the next

 

[Sohurmk833]

This is interesting because as we know the sales were front-loaded and the chances of doubling are slim. So overall sales may be less than 24M, could even be less than 20M.

I wouldn't go that far but sales are certainly nowhere near 37 million. That's just wishful thinking. We also wouldn't have seen MS abandoning the system entirely if it was close to 40 million.

 

[bender]

whats funny is, that figure will most certainly look mighty impressive in retrospect, next to magnus sales.
just like xbone does against series.
they are in death spiral.

The good thing about Magnus is that it will ensure that the OG Xbox is no longer the brands worst selling console.

 

[simpatico]

One of the best designed systems of all time from a pure hardware perspective IMO. If this is what they came out with, a 2 SKU approach for the XBone era with no Kinect or weird online BS, it would have been huge.

 

[bitbydeath]

I wouldn't go that far but sales are certainly nowhere near 37 million. That's just wishful thinking. We also wouldn't have seen MS abandoning the system entirely if it was close to 40 million.

2020(Nov) - 2022(May) - 12M
2022 - Remaining 7 months - ??
2023 - ??
2024 - 2M
2025 - ?? ( likely 1M or less)

Napkin math but say it sold 4M in 2020, that leaves 5M for 2021, 3M for the first half of 2022. = 12M in 18months

Sound reasonable?

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022(Jan-May) - 3M

I'll be generous and set 2023 to 8M total.

2024, I'll match 2023 as a best case scenario although the likelihood of it halving wouldn't be unexpected either.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 8M
2023 - 8M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

28M seems like best case scenario figures IMO

Likely though 2022 and 2023 are much lower.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 6M
2023 - 4M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

22M

The above would be slightly optimistic but probably more realistic given the trends.

 

[mckmas8808]

2020(Nov) - 2022(May) - 12M
2022 - Remaining 7 months - ??
2023 - ??
2024 - 2M
2025 - ?? ( likely 1M or less)

Napkin math but say it sold 4M in 2020, that leaves 5M for 2021, 3M for the first half of 2022. = 12M in 18months

Sound reasonable?

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022(Jan-May) - 3M

I'll be generous and set 2023 to 8M total.

2024, I'll match 2023 as a best case scenario although the likelihood of it halving wouldn't be unexpected either.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 8M
2023 - 8M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

28M seems like best case scenario figures IMO

Likely though 2022 and 2023 are much lower.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 6M
2023 - 4M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

22M

The above would be slightly optimistic but probably more realistic given the trends.

Looks like Xbox sold 1.7 million consoles, world-wide the first 9 months of 2025.

Thread 'Xbox Series S/X consoles only sold 1.7 million this year'

Dec 21, 2025

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/21/xbox-console-war-playstation-switch.html

Sales of the Xbox Series S and Series X fell 70% year-over-year in November, the worst performance among major consoles.

In 2025, Xbox Series S/X sold around 1.7 million units, far behind:

Nintendo Switch 2: 10.36 million since its June launch.

PlayStation 5: 9.2 million units in the year.

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[Darkness_Arises]

There is no way the XBS consoles have sold 37 million till date. My most optimistic estimate based on the facts presented in this thread is ~30M.

 

[Artistic]

#TapIn

 

[Gamer79]

It is all Xbox undoing

- Lack real exclusive titles that people want to play
-Went totally woke
-Deaf to the economy with raising the prices on a console 5 years old
-Spent Billions on company acquisitions with little to show for it
-Out of touch with the gamers

 

[Baki]

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So, that's basically end of Covid pandemic when Xbox hardware sales totally collapsed from 2022 and onwards

Did some quick calculations based on hw revenue mentioned in FY reports. Using this new number as a baseline, I calculated about 29.5M Xbox sold. That puts US numbers at 60% of the install base.

Looks like Xbox sold 1.7 million consoles, world-wide the first 9 months of 2025.

Thread 'Xbox Series S/X consoles only sold 1.7 million this year'

Dec 21, 2025

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/21/xbox-console-war-playstation-switch.html

Sales of the Xbox Series S and Series X fell 70% year-over-year in November, the worst performance among major consoles.

In 2025, Xbox Series S/X sold around 1.7 million units, far behind:

Nintendo Switch 2: 10.36 million since its June launch.

PlayStation 5: 9.2 million units in the year.

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Not official numbers , that's VGChartz.

 

[Pedro Motta]

I'm feeling like a unicorn for having a Series X.

 

[GOKUSSJ2]

Looks like Xbox sold 1.7 million consoles, world-wide the first 9 months of 2025.

Thread 'Xbox Series S/X consoles only sold 1.7 million this year'

Dec 21, 2025

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/21/xbox-console-war-playstation-switch.html

Sales of the Xbox Series S and Series X fell 70% year-over-year in November, the worst performance among major consoles.

In 2025, Xbox Series S/X sold around 1.7 million units, far behind:

Nintendo Switch 2: 10.36 million since its June launch.

PlayStation 5: 9.2 million units in the year.

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Microsoft's Xbox Series S and Series X, at 1.7 million units, couldn't outsell the original Nintendo Switch, which launched in 2017 and has sold 3.4 million units so far this year, data from game sales tracking site VGChartz estimated.

 

[Topher]

#TapIn

 

[Skifi28]

I'm feeling like a unicorn for having a Series X.

Don't feel alone, there's still adamsapple and Punished Miku . Unless Miku finally got around to building that legendary PC.

 

[Artistic]

I honestly thought the Series X would sell better than the S. Very wrong on that.

People will hate to admit it, but the S is an industry standard right now.

 

[demigod]

Don't feel alone, there's still adamsapple and Punished Miku . Unless Miku finally got around to building that legendary PC.

He's already praising Steam.

 

[mayham2199]

I honestly thought the Series X would sell better than the S. Very wrong on that.

People will hate to admit it, but the S is an industry standard right now.

I thought it was confirmed that the X has now over taken the Series S a while back. Also hard to call it an industry standard when two of the biggest games this gen were delayed on Xbox because of the Series S.

 

[Artistic]

I thought it was confirmed that the X has now over taken the Series S a while back. Also hard to call it an industry standard when two of the biggest games this gen were delayed on Xbox because of the Series S.

Where's the confirmation?

Which games as well?

 

[Artistic]

September 2024 Sales Charts: Xbox Series X Is Finally Outselling the Series S - IGN

It took four years, but the Xbox Series X is finally outselling the Xbox Series S in the United States by a slim margin, according to this month's report from Circana.

www.ign.com

I see this, so you're right. Didn't know that.

M mayham2199

 

[onQ123]

I'm feeling like a unicorn for having a Series X.

 

[TheKratos]

Did XBS outsell the X?

 

[mayham2199]

September 2024 Sales Charts: Xbox Series X Is Finally Outselling the Series S - IGN

It took four years, but the Xbox Series X is finally outselling the Xbox Series S in the United States by a slim margin, according to this month's report from Circana.

www.ign.com

I see this, so you're right. Didn't know that.

M mayham2199

Glad you found it I couldn't find it. As for the games It was Baldurs Gate 3 which was delayed because they couldn't get split screen working on Series S. As well the Black Myth Wukong. This one is debated but I trust the dev more than I trust MS PR. MS has already lied to consumers before Black Myth hasn't lied and frankly have no reason to lie.

 

[demigod]

2020(Nov) - 2022(May) - 12M
2022 - Remaining 7 months - ??
2023 - ??
2024 - 2M
2025 - ?? ( likely 1M or less)

Napkin math but say it sold 4M in 2020, that leaves 5M for 2021, 3M for the first half of 2022. = 12M in 18months

Sound reasonable?

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022(Jan-May) - 3M

I'll be generous and set 2023 to 8M total.

2024, I'll match 2023 as a best case scenario although the likelihood of it halving wouldn't be unexpected either.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 8M
2023 - 8M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

28M seems like best case scenario figures IMO

Likely though 2022 and 2023 are much lower.

2020 - 4M
2021 - 5M
2022 - 6M
2023 - 4M
2024 - 2M
2025 - 1M

22M

The above would be slightly optimistic but probably more realistic given the trends.

Did some quick calculations based on hw revenue mentioned in FY reports. Using this new number as a baseline, I calculated about 29.5M Xbox sold. That puts US numbers at 60% of the install base.


Not official numbers , that's VGChartz.

Lmfao, Welfare had it over 16mil in the 18 months, now you know how he got his 37m.

 

[Topher]

I honestly thought the Series X would sell better than the S. Very wrong on that.

People will hate to admit it, but the S is an industry standard right now.

An industry standard.......of what?

 

[Artistic]

An industry standard.......of what?

Pre-built hardware going forward.

All signs show that we're kind of regressing in that area as a industry.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Lmfao, Welfare had it over 16mil in the 18 months, now you know how he got his 37m.

These numbers are Welfare's estimates.

 

[Topher]

Pre-built hardware going forward.

All signs show that we're kind of regressing in that area as a industry.

Xbox Series S won't be a standard for prebuilt hardware going forward. Doesn't really make much sense.

 

[yazenov]

Lmfao, Welfare had it over 16mil in the 18 months, now you know how he got his 37m.

Dudes whole existence revolved around inflating Xbox numbers. I wonder how he will cope now. Something tells me he along with the other die hard Xbox warriors are going to identify as PC enthusiasts now.

 

[Sooner]

 

[Bark]

So, xbox is not even at 30 million. lol

 

[mckmas8808]

Pre-built hardware going forward.

All signs show that we're kind of regressing in that area as a industry.

There's literally nothing that shows that

Nintendo was able to get the Switch 2 to do good things for half the price of these PC handheld makers. Cerny is already talking about doing some cool things with the PS6.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Xbox Series S won't be a standard for prebuilt hardware going forward. Doesn't really make much sense.

I assume the poster used "standard" as the minimum performance spec, but that's Switch 2 now, IMO.

 

[mckmas8808]

Did some quick calculations based on hw revenue mentioned in FY reports. Using this new number as a baseline, I calculated about 29.5M Xbox sold. That puts US numbers at 60% of the install base.


Not official numbers , that's VGChartz.

60% is CRAZY high, but it shows just how bad MS has been internationally compared to the past. I believe the following Xbox consoles were like this:

- Xbox 1: US made up 55% of the market sales
- Xbox 360: US made up 43% of the market sales
- Xbox One: US made up 47% of the market sales
- Xbox Series: US made up 60% of the market sales

 

[Baki]

These numbers are Welfare's estimates.

So he was tracking ahead by 50% for the first 18 months. That a huge gap.

Lmfao, Welfare had it over 16mil in the 18 months, now you know how he got his 37m.

Reality is that with the limited numbers we have, very easy to get numbers inflated way above where they are.

60% is CRAZY high, but it shows just how bad MS has been internationally compared to the past. I believe the following Xbox consoles were like this:

- Xbox 1: US made up 55% of the market sales
- Xbox 360: US made up 43% of the market sales
- Xbox One: US made up 47% of the market sales
- Xbox Series: US made up 60% of the market sales

I will add, it's napkin math. The range I have is between 58-60%. But not that surprising considering total collapse outside of US and UK. Xbox had 2.5% market share in Spain in 2025.

What's more surprising is that Xbox will finish the gen at 33M-ish to PS5 110M+. Thats almost a 4-1 ratio. Hasn't been that much of a disparity since PS2 and would make Xbox Series the 2nd worst selling console since Xbox and that's after MS investing $80B into the division.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

For a sec I was confused but then I saw it was basically fantasy numbers.

 

[Topher]

I assume the poster used "standard" as the minimum performance spec, but that's Switch 2 now, IMO.

No single spec is a "standard", but if minimum spec is what he meant then that makes more sense.

 

[Certinty]

Good to know I wasn't one of a few idiots who bought this shit console.

 

[Artistic]

Xbox Series S won't be a standard for prebuilt hardware going forward. Doesn't really make much sense.

There's literally nothing that shows that

Nintendo was able to get the Switch 2 to do good things for half the price of these PC handheld makers. Cerny is already talking about doing some cool things with the PS6.

I assume the poster used "standard" as the minimum performance spec, but that's Switch 2 now, IMO.

Switch 2 doesn't really count.

Good to know I wasn't one of a few idiots who bought this shit console.

Will pray.

 

[ZehDon]

Xbox Series S won't be a standard for prebuilt hardware going forward. Doesn't really make much sense.

An interesting experiment that I think has proven that consumers can handle it and the industry can support it. But, I think platform holders running a full-fat console and a paired-back handheld PC is the most likely outcome moving forward. Sony's certainly headed in that direction, and Microsoft has tried with the Ally stuff. I don't think we see a gimped home console like the S again.

 

[onQ123]

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So, that's basically end of Covid pandemic when Xbox hardware sales totally collapsed from 2022 and onwards

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Opinion  Thread 'Microsoft is creating a marketing problem for Xbox Series X that 12 TFLOPs can't fix, and PS5 / Switch are going to walk all over it'

Apr 8, 2020

They want to use the Xbox One & PC as a crutch in case Xbox Series X don't sell enough to support the developers which is a smart move but Xbox Series X also need it's own identity outside of just having a new tower design.


When it's time for the commercials & Sony have people in ads faking like the touch sensors in the DualSense have changed their life Xbox Series X can't really counter that.

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[Ellis]

So, xbox is not even at 30 million. lol

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Series has sold around 20 million. And even that number seems too high.

The 30+ million is honestly laughable,.and more so that people think it's actually legit.