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[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Waiting for the counter argument . . .

"Devs need to quit treating PC gamers like the red headed step child"

 

[UniformDeliverance]

Sounds like the next Xbox is going to give you what you want. Access to Steam means pc versions of games that you can configure however you like.

That or get a pc/steam machine.

As it stands, though I think this generation has shown a remarkable consistency in offering performance modes in games, certainly more than previous generations, so I'd imagine the trend is in your favor

 

[Boss Mog]

I don't know what you're so worked up about OP. We all know that games that have locked framerates require a patch to unlock them. Many companies don't feel it's worth their time or money to make such patches for older games since it won't generate significant new sales. They'd rather release a remaster and charge for it. R* is famous for this. GTA V never even got a PS4 Pro patch.

 

[Randall365]

It's horses for courses - when I am on PS5, I just want the optimum settings the dev thought represented their vision - maybe let me choose between performance and quality, but even then I would prefer not to - when I am on PC, with a £1k graphics card, you can be damn sure I will be in the menus eeking out every last fucking frame out of that thing!

The worst thing with PCs is that when you do eek out 120fps with everything on, you will start a new level and get some stutter/glitching and then back into the menus again and online to see how best to manage the vram! Then a month later either the devs or nvidia patch it when you have finished the game. I guess we love it though.

I dislike it when it seeps into other art forms too. 2 hour movie or 3 hour Director's cut? Well I have to watch the Director's cut now, but it obviously has it's issues too. Four version of a song - one with a great solo and the other with a great intro. Aaaah! Just make one thing the best and I will consume that. You don't have to pick between three Mona Lisas.

 

[deriks]

I don't think it's a "treating like a baby" thing, but more of a "it's easier" thing

They put some presets and lots of quality control are diminished

 

[Bojji]

I don't think it's a "treating like a baby" thing, but more of a "it's easier" thing

They put some presets and lots of quality control are diminished

What quality control?

 

[kruis]

In this era of backwards compatibility it's getting obnoxious. I sit here with an unopened copy of Xenoblade X for Switch and it's bothering me. Will it get patched for Switch 2? Will they want to charge me again for a new version? Or will I just be stuck playing at 30 fps?

What is stopping devs from giving console games simple graphics settings? I can play PC games from 15 years ago at 4k/ whatever frame rate without mods.

- Bloodborne is 1080p/30 fps on ps5
- RDR2 is 1080p/ 30 fps on ps5
- Smash Ultimate is 1080p on Switch 2
- Etc etc etc

Just bury the framerate/ res options in an advanced user menu or something. At best they are saying you're too dumb to know what these options mean. At worst they are doing it because they want to sell you the same games over and over. Waiting for patches is getting old and paying upgrade fees for devs to change an ini file is retarded. And in the case of something like Smash it's likely to never get patched because all those license holders would want a taste of the upgrade fee.

PC emulation is the answer.

 

[darrylgorn]

Everyone loves motion blur, depth of field and bloom though.

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's not always so easy to just switch a hidden toggle and unlock more performance. Chances are you're not going to get stable 60fps and some work may be still needed to make sure it's super smooth. Batman Arkham City Remaster is a good example. The game wasn't running in stable 60fps when it launched, so what did WB do? They've downscaled to 30fps through a patch rather than optimizing the remaster. You can still play 60fps version of the game using an unpatched disc release, but the framerate is all over the place and it definitely needed a lot of work.

There's also the case of being able to pick up and play something on the consoles without messing with the settings to find the optimal solution. I can agree that more games should have performance/quality modes, but I don't want to test individual settings to check if I'm going to gain or lose 5 fps.

 

[vodka-bull]

Or you could just not be so impatient and wait until an emulator can do it.

I play Metroid Prine 2 in glorious 60fps with HD textures on the steam deck and it looks great.

 

[PlayerPurple]

Spyro Reignited Trilogy & Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled still being limited to 30fps on current gen consoles when it's literally only a matter of changing a few values in an XML file is legitimately shameful. Console players should be causing a stink about it.

This one still hurts.

A console/PC release of CTRNF running at 60 frames could genuinely be the last kart racer I'd ever need to buy.

 

[Senua]

In before PC warriors suggest you need a PC.

Oh too late.

You thought of PC too when you read the OP, admit it.

But some of the replies to this thread have convinced me that console gamers are in fact babies and should be buying the same things over and over and paying for online.

 

[Toots]

Waiting for the counter argument . . .

"Devs need to quit treating PC gamers like the red headed step child"

Devs need to stop treating PC gamers like basement dwellers neckbearded virgins...

Seriously tho Devs need to stop treating console gamers like babies, they grew up to be obnoxious high schoolers by now...

 

[Disciple of MSSP]

In before PC warriors suggest you need a PC.

Oh too late.

 

[epicurius-seven]

Sure they -could- put time into developing a 'maybe this will run on a box that allows 60fps' option... but then people who are inherently unpleasable will inevitably complain that it doesn't run at 120fps on future box + 2.
Your average console gamer just does not give a shit, they're too busy enjoying the game.

 

[Fable]

You thought of PC too when you read the OP, admit it.

Honestly no, i mean there's no doubt that PC is the ultimate gaming platform, but why will PC comes to mind when console player asked for more options?
I mean gone are the days where console games had one preset, i sometime boot older games and menus on that games had very little options, today? most games on consoles have performance modes and some 40fps modes, and unlocked frame rates options, and many other options that aren't related to gfx/performance, so what i'm saying is like it or not console area changed this gen, and honestly i don't see why people object it, i mean it's not like you need to fiddle with ton of options like on PC, it's only a toggle for 60fps wow such a big decision.

 

[Fable]

Always.

 

[Felessan]

they don't have to target any spec. they just need to allow you to toggle between different FPS targets, and between different resolution targets... that would already be more than enough.

•1080p - 1440p - 2160p
•30fps - 60fps - 120fps
•RT On - RT Off

that's all we really need.

Sony actually does it decently well, even though their "unlocked fps" settings are not really unlocked... usually they have a sub-120fps target for some reason, when they should all target 120fps.

This requirement implementation and testing
And as majority of console players don't care, most games found it implausible to spend resources on it
Wanna tinker things - there is a PC for you.

 

[Hector Hall]

It's time for developers to just realize their artiatic/design vision fir the work of creation that is their games and stop using the PC users as rat labs for performance while letting them manipulate and mod their work.

 

[Polaris]

The point of consoles is that the devs know everyone who owns the machine has the same specs.
This makes optimization easy, unlike in the PC market.

Now, the fact that devs are not optimizing their games to begin with, that's an entirely different conversation. Blame the devs for that.
Fiddling with graphical settings is already annoying enough on PC. I can't believe people are unironically demanding them for consoles.

 

[Bojji]

It's not always so easy to just switch a hidden toggle and unlock more performance. Chances are you're not going to get stable 60fps and some work may be still needed to make sure it's super smooth. Batman Arkham City Remaster is a good example. The game wasn't running in stable 60fps when it launched, so what did WB do? They've downscaled to 30fps through a patch rather than optimizing the remaster. You can still play 60fps version of the game using an unpatched disc release, but the framerate is all over the place and it definitely needed a lot of work.

There's also the case of being able to pick up and play something on the consoles without messing with the settings to find the optimal solution. I can agree that more games should have performance/quality modes, but I don't want to test individual settings to check if I'm going to gain or lose 5 fps.

Arkham City remaster is garbage fucking port.

Arkham games were running 60fps on 2009 pcs...

 

[Fable]

The point of consoles is that the devs know everyone who owns the machine has the same specs.
This makes optimization easy, unlike in the PC market.

Now, the fact that devs are not optimizing their games to begin with, that's an entirely different conversation. Blame the devs for that.
Fiddling with graphical settings is already annoying enough on PC. I can't believe people are unironically demanding them for consoles.

I completely agree, having to toggle on and off those pesky performance modes the last 5 years killed my reason to live.

 

[BlackTron]

The options they put in console games are limited, but they are guaranteed to work. If you allow changing settings at will, it could cause unforeseen behavior including damaging the console.

 

[DaciaJC]

Absolutely not, if I wanted to fiddle with settings I wouldn't play games on console. It's up to the developer to decide how to best present the game.

Imagine if this sentiment extended to settings like joystick sensitivity, FOV, brightness/contrast, etc. Or does it, actually, in your case? Do you think the developer should be the final arbiter of the player's experience as relates to those elements, too?

If not, why draw an arbitrary line between those and graphics/performance settings? Why not give those who do want to fiddle with settings to optimize their experience the option to do so, while everyone else can remain content with the developer-chosen defaults?

 

[KyoZz]

but they are guaranteed to work

You sure about that? When a game is broken, it's broken on every hardware (remember Jedi Survivor?). At least on PC you can tweak the experience to make things better and the community is awesome, often releasing mods to improve pretty much everything.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I don't know what you're so worked up about OP. We all know that games that have locked framerates require a patch to unlock them. Many companies don't feel it's worth their time or money to make such patches for older games since it won't generate significant new sales. They'd rather release a remaster and charge for it. R* is famous for this. GTA V never even got a PS4 Pro patch.

Unless it's linked to game mechanics like regen or swing speed setting framerate is a single line in the INI file.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The options they put in console games are limited, but they are guaranteed to work. If you allow changing settings at will, it could cause unforeseen behavior including damaging the console.

Tell me you don't understand how computer work without telling me you don't understand why computers work. You guys really think console hardware is some esoteric magic shit?

 

[Miles708]

I just need the devs to spend their precious time on optimizing the "Performance" option. No idea why should i be the one thinkering with all kinds of options until it becomes acceptable, that's not my job.

 

[Hadoukens]

Can't believe anyone would argue this. Set a target or two and stick to it, like 30 and 60fps, then provide a few extra options for those that want it.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Bloodborne to 60fps
RDR2 to 60fps
All Xenoblade games to 60fps
Put out 4k60 HDR versions of TP and WW on Switch 2

If they would just do those things it would solve most of my issues. There aren't like a ton of things to fix but there are few very specific things I wish they would fix on a few games.

 

[kevboard]

This requirement implementation and testing
And as majority of console players don't care, most games found it implausible to spend resources on it
Wanna tinker things - there is a PC for you.

they don't need to test anything,

just hide it behind a cheat code

 

[Shadowstar39]

Kind of goes against the whole plug and play ideal of consoles, though. I don't even like the current quality/performace toggles you get in some games.

Developers should just pick the intended settings, I don't want to be messing with menus and checking the impact on performance in something like Smash Bros. I hate having to do that on PC, always makes me think there's some setting I might have missed that makes the game smoother or better looking.

I'm the opposite. More options the better. Why limit yourself. Part of the fun of pc gaming is being able to enable extra graphics settings and turn down stuff so you can play on older or cheaper hardware.

I love performance and quality options on ps5/xsx. As someone with a 1080p TV I want even more settings. Id even like the option to download and use lower texture sizes so the game size doesn't need to be 100+ gb.

Open up that settings screen please.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I can't believe people are unironically demanding them for consoles.

It's just frame rate settings.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Imagine if this sentiment extended to settings like joystick sensitivity, FOV, brightness/contrast, etc. Or does it, actually, in your case? Do you think the developer should be the final arbiter of the player's experience as relates to those elements, too?

If not, why draw an arbitrary line between those and graphics/performance settings? Why not give those who do want to fiddle with settings to optimize their experience the option to do so, while everyone else can remain content with the developer-chosen defaults?

"Closes" the thread full of hypocrisy.

 

[Bojji]

I completely agree, having to toggle on and off those pesky performance modes the last 5 years killed my reason to live.

Baby console gamers:

The options they put in console games are limited, but they are guaranteed to work. If you allow changing settings at will, it could cause unforeseen behavior including damaging the console.

Not true at all, consoles have software and hardware protections to prevent any damage.

 

[64gigabyteram]

I'm a PC gamer too. But I find that lately I really dislike going into the menus and figuring out the optimal way to run every single game.

So don't. I never do this for PC games. Usually a full screen and motion blur toggle is all I need. Options aren't a bad thing

 

[Fable]

I just need the devs to spend their precious time on optimizing the "Performance" option. No idea why should i be the one thinkering with all kinds of options until it becomes acceptable, that's not my job.

Well i guess it's not as simple as that, I'm sure most devs would like their games running at locked 60fps and having the best resolution as possible, but you have an hardware limitation, still this gen it become more and more possible to play above 30fps on consoles and i love it, even games like A Plague Tale Requiem and Starfield who didn't had a performance mode at launch, got it a few months later, i also respect the efforts some devs made even if it's didn't quite pan out, like iirc and they didn't patch it for the better then Space Marine 2 doesn't reach 60fps so much on PS5, but they did include that mode so you could enjoy it when new hardware arrives.
Makes me wonder how Xbox FPS Boost works, because they patched games that was locked to 30fps without the original games devs, something like that but evolved will be great on next-gen consoles.

 

[playbignbox]

Henry Cavill knows a solution

Be more like Henry Cavill

Now that's a real man

 

[KyoZz]

Now that's a real man

A SUPERman

 

[tr1p1ex]

review scores are irrelevant.

anyone who played both versions at the time knows how much better the PC version felt to play.

GTA was always insanely overrated either way. like, those games took 3 iterations on console to finally get the brilliant innovation of... A FREE MOVING CAMERA... an an open world game nonetheless.

the gunplay was worse than that of most N64 games

PC is faster hardware. The pc version probably could afford to have a free camera at the time while the Ps2 version could not. (That's what my Wheaties analogy was supposed to represent lol.)

IT's not only trying to paint too fine a line in the first place by saying a game rated a 95 and a big hit could have been better, but it's also comparing apples to oranges in terms of platforms.

 

[geary]

In this era of backwards compatibility it's getting obnoxious. I sit here with an unopened copy of Xenoblade X for Switch and it's bothering me. Will it get patched for Switch 2? Will they want to charge me again for a new version? Or will I just be stuck playing at 30 fps?

What is stopping devs from giving console games simple graphics settings? I can play PC games from 15 years ago at 4k/ whatever frame rate without mods.

- Bloodborne is 1080p/30 fps on ps5
- RDR2 is 1080p/ 30 fps on ps5
- Smash Ultimate is 1080p on Switch 2
- Etc etc etc

Just bury the framerate/ res options in an advanced user menu or something. At best they are saying you're too dumb to know what these options mean. At worst they are doing it because they want to sell you the same games over and over. Waiting for patches is getting old and paying upgrade fees for devs to change an ini file is retarded. And in the case of something like Smash it's likely to never get patched because all those license holders would want a taste of the upgrade fee.

Don't you know you need a nuclear fission degree to change resolution in the settings? That's what i heard from console guys...

 

[tr1p1ex]

Me getting ready to play my Smash Bros with my buds.

 

[kevboard]

PC is faster hardware. The pc version probably could afford to have a free camera at the time while the Ps2 version could not. (That's what my Wheaties analogy was supposed to represent lol.)

IT's not only trying to paint too fine a line in the first place by saying a game rated a 95 and a big hit could have been better, but it's also comparing apples to oranges in terms of platforms.

what in the actual fuck?

are you unironically insinuating that the lack of a free moving camera was a performance limitation?

you can not be serious... like... you can't...
that's just not possibly what I read just now. I must be hallucinating.

 

[Hudo]

Consoles should not have any graphics settings whatsoever. The appeal of a fucking console is that you get a game that is "as the developers intended" without fucking around in menus. As soon as you introduce settings for graphics and performance, you might as well play on PC because you have far more control over everything there than console will ever give you.

 

[geary]

Basically you bought apple juice and now you're upset it doesn't taste like orange juice. Next time just buy the orange juice.

Not really...It's more like you bought the apple juice in a plastic bottle (PS4 game) and you enjoyed it for what it, and now you want to move that juice from a plastic bottle (PS4) into a glass bottle (PS5) and you cant because the plastic bottle juice was not designed to change recipient

 

[tr1p1ex]

what in the actual fuck?

are you unironically insinuating that the lack of a free moving camera was a performance limitation?

you can not be serious... like... you can't...
that's just not possibly what I read just now. I must be hallucinating.

Absolutely saying what I said. You're talking PS2 and pc back in the day.

I'm flabbergasted you're trying to still hold onto this nothing burger argument that Michael Jordan could have been better if only.

 

[rodrigolfp]

The appeal of a fucking console is that you get a game that is "as the developers intended" without fucking around in menus.

Gladly this is not a "written rule", so tales out of the ass and at least 30, 60, 120fps options are more than very welcome.

 

[The Devil's Grocers]

I don't think it's a "treating like a baby" thing, but more of a "it's easier" thing

They put some presets and lots of quality control are diminished

Sure they -could- put time into developing a 'maybe this will run on a box that allows 60fps' option... but then people who are inherently unpleasable will inevitably complain that it doesn't run at 120fps on future box + 2.
Your average console gamer just does not give a shit, they're too busy enjoying the game.

This requirement implementation and testing
And as majority of console players don't care, most games found it implausible to spend resources on it
Wanna tinker things - there is a PC for you.

The point of consoles is that the devs know everyone who owns the machine has the same specs.
This makes optimization easy, unlike in the PC market.

Now, the fact that devs are not optimizing their games to begin with, that's an entirely different conversation. Blame the devs for that.
Fiddling with graphical settings is already annoying enough on PC. I can't believe people are unironically demanding them for consoles.

The pushback in this thread against even having the OPTION to adjust settings for performance is a pretty neat refutation of your point, OP. Incredible

 

[kevboard]

Absolutely saying what I said. You're talking PS2 and pc back in the day.

yes, and what you said is so insanely stupid that I can't believe it's actually real.
it shows an extraordinary lack of understanding of how video games function...

I'm flabbergasted you're trying to still hold onto this nothing burger argument that Michael Jordan could have been better if only.

it was an example my dude, I am not holding on to anything.
I used it as an example because we have evidence that a better option existed and wasn't given to the player for no good reason.

 

[Guilty_AI]

OP: "Devs shouldn't treat console players like babies"
Thread: *lots of console players acting like babies*
OP: