Guardian Monkey
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a 10 gb 3080 is still going to outperform what a ps5 pro does unless you have some bottleneck somewhere else.
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PS5 Pro is getting PSSR 2.0 between January and March 2026
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a 10 gb 3080 is still going to outperform what a ps5 pro does unless you have some bottleneck somewhere else.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
OMFG.
THEY HAD TO TRAIN FROM SOMEWHERE ON A PER GAME BASIS LIKE ALL OF THESE AI SCALERS STARTING OFF.
Plus it's the first time in human history anybody did it in a console. He knows there's a difference between that and PC.
Bojji
Gold Member
OMFG.
THEY HAD TO TRAIN FROM SOMEWHERE ON A PER GAME BASIS LIKE ALL OF THESE AI SCALERS STARTING OFF.
They don't train it like that since DLSS2. DLSS2 and all "new" ML upscalers are TAA based.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No shit. DLSS 1.0 trained per game to lead them to having enough data for 2.0 not needing to.
PSSR 1.0 needed to train theirs THE SAME WAY so they won't need to for 2.0 or FRS4 as well.
What are we doing here?
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Senua
Member
I know, but I want the world
Bojji
Gold Member
So it clearly had some shit training and wasn't ready for launch. People speculated that they only used their own games to train and that's why it sucked for many 3rd party releases (especially with Ray Tracing).
And you assume that there is a link between DLSS1 and DLSS2. It could be there or not at all (like with FSR1 and FSR2).
Topher
Identifies as young
You bought a Pro? Kind of shocked, but ok.
"Fanboys are happy no matter what shit their favorite company will serve them"
I mean.....that's no different than what you are complaining about from others my man.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bro. PSSR 1.0 shits all over DLSS 1.0.
Both were/are in the learning per game basis stage in live usage. That way they won't need to be per game reliant in 2.0 (like DLSS 2.x + is now).
What are you even arguing, WTF man?
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Bojji
Gold Member
I bought it in late Q1 (or early Q2) of 2025 when first disc drives appeared in large quantities (and normal prices).
Publishers release 80 Euro games that have broken image quality (sometimes with no option to turn of PSSR), people should complain about that. Fanboys tend to defend everything.
PSSR is not training per game. It's general and plugin in UE5.
It works the same way as DLSS2 and Xess, just worse in quality.
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QuietCraft
Neo Member
If this rumor is real, PSSR 2.0 sounds like a solid mid-gen upgrade, but it really depends on adoption. Better image quality and pushing games past that 70-80fps ceiling is great, yet none of it matters if developers don't patch their games properly. Until Sony shows real side-by-side results in actual titles, I'm treating this as promising, but wait and see
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's still being trained per use. It came out centralized, since they never did a live training like nVidia did, but make no mistake that data isn't being utilized for 2.0 with what games are doing.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, but defending PSSR isn't defending "everything".
MisterXDTV
Member
So I'm really gonna get FSR4 first on my Pro rather than on my RDNA3 GPU?
People are still not getting that PS5 Pro has RDNA4 ray-tracing AI performance, just over 9070 non-XT
So it obliterates RDNA3 in machine learning
It's not that hard to understand after more than a year of PS5 Pro...
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Bojji
Gold Member
There are even people defending games with shit implementations of PSSR...
I mean, I didn't expect anything else from die hard fanboys but I expect console players to have functioning eyes. And complaining about stuff that sucks usually helps in the long run?
True.
Bojji
Gold Member
If it's on par with FSR4 I will be very happy, believe me.
"Our target is to have something very similar to FSR 4's upscaler available on PS5 Pro for 2026 titles as the next evolution of PSSR; it should take the same inputs and produce essentially the same outputs."
Mark Cerny: FSR 4 for PS5 Pro is the "next evolution of PSSR"
The RDNA 4 upscaler is the first result of AMD/Sony's Project Amethyst collaboration
www.digitalfoundry.net
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
People are defending that it's a better 1.0 outing than it gets credit for from select people. Especially compared to other 1.0 outings.
It has a very promising future due to that.
That seems to threaten people for some reason.
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Bojji
Gold Member
You can treat DLSS2, XeSS and FSR4 all like 1.0 versions (DLSS1 works in a complete different way than 2.0 and FSR4 have nothing to do with non ML versions) - all of them are better than PSSR.
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DeepEnigma
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viveks86
Member
Me too! That's a good step up. If they can hit DLSS 4.5 parity by the time PS6 console comes around and hit L model equivalent ultra performance at 1080p for the handheld, we eating good!
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....pretty much the only correct response in a thread where everyone is a fanboy that disagrees with one person's take.
Topher
Identifies as young
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
One of the best shows ever made.Come on ladies.....
J Required
Gold Member
OMFG.
THEY HAD TO TRAIN FROM SOMEWHERE ON A PER GAME BASIS LIKE ALL OF THESE AI SCALERS STARTING OFF.
How DARE Sony try to do this mid-gen on a Pro model? They should've waited for PS6 so I could complain about it then!
(Sarcasm — basically Bojji's inner thoughts.)
winjer
Gold Member
It's hilarious how a late 2025/26 leaked unofficial version of FSR4 on Steamdeck, a early 2022 device, is considered "competence" but PSSR and now PSSR2.0 officially coming to PS5 Pro a late 2024 device is considered "incompetence".
You all are funny.
Like you weren't living with worse crap on that 2022 device for longer simply because FSR4 wasn't, and still isn't officially, ready for it.
You all are funny.
Like you weren't living with worse crap on that 2022 device for longer simply because FSR4 wasn't, and still isn't officially, ready for it.
Skifi28
Member
One of the greatest mysteries of our time. I like the dude and agree with him more often than not, but the moment the pro or pssr is mentioned, it's like a switch flips within him and we see a different person. A Dr Boji and Mr Pisser situation If I ever saw one.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Bojji
Gold Member
Come on ladies.....
Can't wait for PSSR2 launch so we can all agree on how awesome it is (I hope)
Topher
Identifies as young
Can't wait for PSSR2 launch so we can all agree on how awesome it is (I hope)
Think we all agree there is plenty of room for improvement, so yeah......definitely looking forward to PSSR2.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Wonder when we can use these upscalers on our wives and girlfriends.
Venom Snake
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Water bodies have some ugly artifacting too
Pop
Member
Looks like 120 fps baseline
FalconPunch
Member
You know, every time i come across one of your posts, the first thought that comes to mind is: "Why is this dude so annoying"? Like clockwork, every time.
I gotta ask, is everything ok at home, with work, with life, with the family? What's causing you to be so insufferable?
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Zathalus
Gold Member
Well worst AI upscaler. Even in Sony first party games it is outmatched by DLSS and FSR4. XeSS is more of a wash, but XeSS work well enough in UE5.
So yeah, PSSR can probably be labeled the worst AI based upscaling solution. Not that I'd agree with the claim it wasn't ready for third party devs. But it is disappointing in a fair number of games. Even first party ones. GT7 with RT and PSSR can sometimes be a really noisy mess, especially in cockpit view.
S0ULZB0URNE
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He can't help himself
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, I'll agree that PSSR, the newest upscalar of all these, is simply not as mature as the latest, greatest versions of FSR, DLSS and XeSS. However, the conversation was broader than that and included prior versions as well.
The video length is longer than the playtime of that area (first 10 minutes) where that grass have shimmering problems.
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Zathalus
Gold Member
If we include prior versions I'd say, just in my own testing, that is was certainly better than DLSS 1.0, better than XeSS 1.0, and better than the first iteration of DLSS 2.0. Although later 2.0 models did improve.
FSR is a tricky one. It's clearly better than FSR 1 through 3. But none of those were AI upscalers. FSR4 is the first AI upscaler from AMD and that is even newer than PSSR.
The thing is, PSSR is not competing with those older upscalers. It launched in 2024 and DLSS was at 3.7 and XeSS at 1.3. Which it was worse than, with some pretty obvious noise issues. When it worked, it worked well, but when not. Yuck. So I can see where a lot of disappointment came from.
Personally I use my Pro mostly for Sony first party, so in that respect I am happy (barring GT7), but on occasion I do pick up a third party game for the console and that has been a mixed bag in some cases. On the whole I am satisfied, but I really would be happier with the upgrade.
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Bojji
Gold Member
Game has more areas with foliage and player returns to beginning section many times during the game.
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
God I hope its good, I wanted to play the avatar game on Pro, but the fucking PSSR 1.0 was fucking terrible and made the game look worse than it did on basic.
Overall the Pro's been a huge disapointment outside of the handful of first party exclusives that used it well, and the even fewer third party ones.
Overall the Pro's been a huge disapointment outside of the handful of first party exclusives that used it well, and the even fewer third party ones.
Did you play the full game on Pro? I played, and only that grass have the shimmering problem in the full game, the first 10 minutes are terrible because the grass is literally in all places in the first area.
EDIT: The full footage of the video is from the first 10 minutes. Sounds so intentional because that guy don't like PSSR. I think it's the same guy who couldn't detect PSSR in other modes on Yotei.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Think that's a fair assessment. Likewise, I use Pro mostly for first party and other less demanding games. I do some trophy hunting with third party games from time to time and that's where I've really been disappointed with consoles this gen. Pro has alleviated a good bit of that so I'm happy with it overall. Definitely not perfect by any means, but a good first step. Looking forward to 2.0.
Bojji
Gold Member
I completed it on PC. Game has a lot of areas with foliage (even a forest later). This was taken few hours in:
I have no idea how foliage looks in later areas looks on Pro, most of the footage is from the beginning.
ZehDon
Member
I'm sure the PS6 will benefit greatly from the work being done. But for the PS5 generation, if the console game doesn't employ PSSR already, they won't be injecting it without an enormous amount of work. Work they already would've done for the PS5 Pro if they were going to do it. That's not "feat monger", that's describing the technical limitations of the console space.
//DEVIL//
Member
which is why mid gen upgrades are always a failure. PS4 Pro, Xbox one X, PS5 PRO is no different.
it will be fine for the newer games to be released like say GTA 6, and maybe they will patch few old games, but unless it was implemented day one with the system, its not worth it for the devs to go back to old ports and work on it.
I m also interested on how this plays out. because I know it wont be as good as FSR4 on PC, especially if its running on low internal resolution.
because IF I remember correctly. FSR4 on performance, isn't really great image quality, so I wonder how a light / different version of FSR4 will look on Ps5 pro.
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