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[DeepEnigma]

Whatever gives you that idea?

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"Tries something different" -- Looks like it's already started.

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy tries something different, and I don’t hate it

An interesting new take on Trek includes some characters you already know.

arstechnica.com

 

[jason10mm]

Whatever gives you that idea?

Timestamped



"Tries something different" -- Looks like it's already started.

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy tries something different, and I don’t hate it

An interesting new take on Trek includes some characters you already know.

arstechnica.com

She knows. She got that paycheck and is gonna move on.

 

[falconhoof]

She knows. She got that paycheck and is gonna move on.

I got to get in on this gig. Her writing and producer credits stretch as far as 1 episode of this show, some short that seems to be about getting stoned and rapping, and another Star Trek show. That earned her one of the first interviews at the show premiere.

 

[jason10mm]

I got to get in on this gig. Her writing and producer credits stretch as far as 1 episode of this show, some short that seems to be about getting stoned and rapping, and another Star Trek show. That earned her one of the first interviews at the show premiere.

She was a VO lead in the Lower Decks show (which is AMAZING, BTW) and was in 1 ep of SNW with that interviewer (who is Uhura on SNW). So it was more or a friend meet-up than anything else, I think. Not sure if Tawny is planning on doing more writing (seems so) but she has a decent acting body of work. I've not seen her in much but she is fairly easy on the eyes and has a bit of comedic timing so I don't run away from her by any means. She might be insufferable though, not sure.

 

[AJUMP23]

can we give M ManaByte access to just this thread?

 

[Mengy]

Still inferior to the first 5 season of supernatural if you ask me.

Yep, agreed on that one.

 

[Fbh]

Why are they fat in what is an equivalent of the Army? Why is the captain wearing glasses? WTF is this?

Imagine living in some futuristic Utopia, where there are no longer any wars or large internal conflicts, where technology has largely eliminated illnesses, hunger, poverty and made free healthy food available at any time with the press of a button, where people have left materialistic desires behind and the core values of society have shifted towards self improvement, where people no longer have to work to survive but rather work out of a desire for societal advancement, personal fulfillment and discovery.

And somehow you are fucking fat lol

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

can we give M ManaByte access to just this thread?

Will do my best



Fun meme! Though he seems to be referring to Kathleen/Filoni/Star Wars things I have mostly ignored when I scroll for context.

 

[Oberstein]

Imagine living in some futuristic Utopian, where there are no longer any wars or large internal conflicts, where technology has largely eliminated illnesses, hunger, poverty and made free healthy food available at any time with the press of a button, where people have left materialistic desires behind and the core values of society have shifted towards self improvement, where people no longer have to work to survive but rather work out of a desire for societal advancement, personal fulfillment and discovery.

And somehow you are fucking fat lol

And yet, in this utopia there are still people who want to crawl through Jefferies tubes for a really shitty job...

You can get electrocuted in there, end up stuck halfway through solid matter, or run into Worf after he's turned into a beast… Basically, it's awful.

It's kind of a paradox, but also the fact that Starfleet represents an ideal where people are willing to make sacrifices instead of just fucking all day on Risa.

In this series, it's basically just teen drama in space, with all the obsessions and nonsense of our time thrown in… Damn, we had no idea back then how good the '90s actually were.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Imagine living in some futuristic Utopian, where there are no longer any wars or large internal conflicts, where technology has largely eliminated illnesses, hunger, poverty and made free healthy food available at any time with the press of a button, where people have left materialistic desires behind and the core values of society have shifted towards self improvement, where people no longer have to work to survive but rather work out of a desire for societal advancement, personal fulfillment and discovery.

And somehow you are fucking fat lol

apparently this is no longer the utopian timeline though, because they are canonically following something from Discovery (lol) called "the burn" (lolol) which is basically where a woman's emotions destroyed all dilithium and warp drives in the galaxy or something (lolololol).

So this is in the aftermath sometime, and resources are once again scarce, things have changed, and also lame lesbians are lecturing people

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The problem with modern Star Trek:

The 5 most popular book genres for men are philosophy, comics, politics, science fiction, and history

The 5 most popular book genres for women are historical romance, contemporary romance, chick lit, paranormal romance, and erotica

Star Trek is innately male. NuTrek is...

 

[falconhoof]

The problem with modern Star Trek:

The 5 most popular book genres for men are philosophy, comics, politics, science fiction, and history

The 5 most popular book genres for women are historical romance, contemporary romance, chick lit, paranormal romance, and erotica

Star Trek is innately male. NuTrek is...

Her sitting in the chair like that seems to be a thing. She does it in the first episode and it makes sure you notice.

I can picture the writers room getting excited about injecting modern cozy vibes into the bridge. You know, the place of work and strict discipline, unlike a crew member's quarters.

I'm surprised that there's not someone else in the background doing the same but clutching a cup of coffee in both hands like another modern take on a franchise we're already seen go down the pan.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The problem with modern Star Trek:

The 5 most popular book genres for men are philosophy, comics, politics, science fiction, and history

The 5 most popular book genres for women are historical romance, contemporary romance, chick lit, paranormal romance, and erotica

Star Trek is innately male. NuTrek is...

How does that even look comfortable?

Forcing things for the sake of, is why their fart sniffing trash remains trash.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

apparently this is no longer the utopian timeline though, because they are canonically following something from Discovery (lol) called "the burn" (lolol) which is basically where a woman's emotions destroyed all dilithium and warp drives in the galaxy or something (lolololol).

So this is in the aftermath sometime, and resources are once again scarce, things have changed, and also lame lesbians are lecturing people

So basically whoever is in charge of Star Trek hates Star Trek so much that they invented a whole woke timeline to replace the canon timeline

The canon timeline of TOS, TNG, DS9, etc. is classically progressive, it's optimistic and envisions a future where everyone can be happy. The woke timeline is, well, woke. Wokeness is characterized by pessimism, hatred of self and others, and mental illness, so it makes sense they had to invent a whole new timeline for it

Also Gene Roddenberry literally fought in World War II, he flew 89 missions as a combat pilot. Starfleet is envisioned as the future Navy of the human Federation, it's fundamentally a military organization although by the time of Star Trek the galaxy is so peaceful that Starfleet rarely gets into shooting wars with anybody (though it does happen, the Borg exist after all). So Star Trek was inherently a pro-military universe, where a universal human space Navy explores the galaxy while maintaining peace. Which is the complete antithesis of wokeness which hates militaries and police forces equally. Sigh

 

[MayauMiao]

The whole season would revolves around students unable to give straight a answer after The Doctor asks "Can men get pregnant?".

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

The problem with modern Star Trek:

The 5 most popular book genres for men are philosophy, comics, politics, science fiction, and history

The 5 most popular book genres for women are historical romance, contemporary romance, chick lit, paranormal romance, and erotica

Star Trek is innately male. NuTrek is...

exactly... "woke" is actually a bit of misdirection, as if there's some independent ideology at stake. No, it's just what happens predictably when women are all over a franchise's producers and writer, as well as the kind of "men" (Kurtzman et al) eager to bow down to them. It becomes this kind of thing, every time.

It's just female group dynamics and resentments all the way down (also, a *particular self-selected resentful subset of women who are the only types who will try to take over a formerly male franchise in the first place... fundamentally not well adjusted women by definition).

 

[MayauMiao]

Maybe she was extremely hungry.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The show is as dumb as its creators.

When one of the bosses of the Russian Space Agency was asked about the reasons of their space program having female overrepresentation he said what NASA won't say out loud: "women eat less".

Fucking obvious. The only reason for this quota is not progressiveness but consumption of resources: water, food, oxigen. Women consume less than men and in a spaceship you want the people who consume the least. It's basic common sense.

So, having fat chicks in the space academy is such a retarded idea that automatically makes the show unwatchable.

 

[Saber]

Maybe she was extremely hungry.

She must have the habit of swallow things I guess.
Seriously I can't at this point.

 

[jason10mm]

The show is as dumb as its creators.

When one of the bosses of the Russian Space Agency was asked about the reasons of their space program having female overrepresentation he said what NASA won't say out loud: "women eat less".

Fucking obvious. The only reason for this quota is not progressiveness but consumption of resources: water, food, oxigen. Women consume less than men and in a spaceship you want the people who consume the least. It's basic common sense.

So, having fat chicks in the space academy is such a retarded idea that automatically makes the show unwatchable.

Women are also smaller, so the living spaces can be smaller. There are small statured men of course, but in America the size overlap between men and women is pretty small. Would make for a fun story where a tall man has to adapt to the smaller spaces.

 

[MrCunningham]

Maybe she was extremely hungry.

Why does this show have more comedy in it than Seth Macfarlanes The Orville?



It's nice to see Robert Piccardo again as the EMH. Even though they recycled that 'Tricorder.. Medical Tricorder" joke from Voyager. Even then it wasn't really a joke in Voyager as Ensign Kim had no idea what he was doing. Star Fleet Academy seems to be just stacking jokes upon jokes.

 

[falconhoof]

Cullen's review is a pretty good summary.

 

[taylor34]

This is really bad. I got about 1/2 way through episode one, paused it and was wondering "what the heck am I watching here" as it seems so aimless and scatterbrained. Finished the episode hoping it would get better but it just got worse, evidently we're making another Wesley Crusher/Michael Burnham cadet who saves the day nonsensically every time.

Why is there so much hand to hand combat in future when STTNG was almost all phasers outside of the Klingons?

The casting for the intended target audience is atrocious.

It's worth watching episode 1 just to see the disaster it is. I can't see watching it after that unless you have no other options. It like took all the history from the previous shows of the 90's and crapped all over it.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

Syfy in the day had some solid (for the times) shows. Invisible Man, Dresden, Eureka, Warehouse 13, of course endless Stargate, Tremors.

It used to be pretty regular friday/saturday night viewing for me (and a sad testament to my dating life sometimes

Grimm was fun, though stretched a bit. I just to love this guys sweaters though, as a life long southerner that PAcific Northwest chilly damp vibe was always appealing

and of course the show had the DELICIOUS Bree Turner, who I had a crush on since her MTV days

A Dresden tv series reference…

 

[falconhoof]

This is really bad. I got about 1/2 way through episode one, paused it and was wondering "what the heck am I watching here" as it seems so aimless and scatterbrained. Finished the episode hoping it would get better but it just got worse, evidently we're making another Wesley Crusher/Michael Burnham cadet who saves the day nonsensically every time.

Why is there so much hand to hand combat in future when STTNG was almost all phasers outside of the Klingons?

The casting for the intended target audience is atrocious.

It's worth watching episode 1 just to see the disaster it is. I can't see watching it after that unless you have no other options. It like took all the history from the previous shows of the 90's and crapped all over it.

The nonsense of having a massive ship with crew and it's saved by a bunch of students on their first day at school. Feels like I'm watching an episode of Saved by the Bell. Eating a combadge is totally a Screech thing to do.

 

[MrCunningham]

The nonsense of having a massive ship with crew and it's saved by a bunch of students on their first day at school. Feels like I'm watching an episode of Saved by the Bell. Eating a combadge is totally a Screech thing to do.

I feel like Saved by the Bell would have had sharper writing. But maybe you're not that far off. This is almost like if Ralph Wiggum became a Star Fleet Cadet. "I ATE MY COMM BADGE!"

 

[jason10mm]

I finished up the last of Orville (only the 3 seasons, no?) and WOW did it end on a banger conflict.

You can see the hand of Brannon Braga in crafting the story, injecting proper B plots, and dealing with topical issues in the Star Trek way.

It's also filmed like old Trek. The way they frame shots, stage space scenes, use sets, it's all VERY reminiscent of how old Trek was, without a lot of the hyper kinetic, hard to follow, lens flare "in your face drunken handheld cameraman" style that I've seen in a lot of nu-Trek. Sets look like Trek sets, uniforms look like Trek uniforms, the aliens are (mostly) superb make-up. Such a difference from how Trek looks and feels today.

 

[L*][*N*K]

This is the only Trek series I have zero interest in

 

[Liopleurodon]

I just entered this thread.

Wtf is going on?

 

[RaptorGTA]

Maybe she was extremely hungry.

This stuns me, that is in a show that isn't a Scary Movie or parody movie.

I am not a Star Trek fan. I've been told I should go and watch the older shows, as quite a few fans believe I would like them...I watched this cause i was told it was bad.

Until this point of the show, it was just regular slop...but her swallowing the badge AND the doctors saying "already?"

Is this a common issue with new cadets?! I mean... Nintendo at least put a bad taste on the Switch cartridges to prevent people from putting them in their mouths... and these 'adults' entering Starfleet have a habit swallowed their badges!?

I just don't understand why this exchange is in this show. It doesn't make that character appear at all capable, and it doesn't make Starfleet feel like an upper-echelon group that limits who can and should be part of it. Just seems like any idiot can join.

 

[Goalus]

This is the only Trek series I have zero interest in

I am now interested in the social media drama surrounding it.

 

[MrCunningham]

I finished up the last of Orville (only the 3 seasons, no?) and WOW did it end on a banger conflict.

You can see the hand of Brannon Braga in crafting the story, injecting proper B plots, and dealing with topical issues in the Star Trek way.

It's also filmed like old Trek. The way they frame shots, stage space scenes, use sets, it's all VERY reminiscent of how old Trek was, without a lot of the hyper kinetic, hard to follow, lens flare "in your face drunken handheld cameraman" style that I've seen in a lot of nu-Trek. Sets look like Trek sets, uniforms look like Trek uniforms, the aliens are (mostly) superb make-up. Such a difference from how Trek looks and feels today.

I haven't watched The Orville since it ended in its' original run. But I found myself enjoying The Orville more than any Nu-Trek series. As it did capture the essence the 1960's TOS as well as the TGN/ Voyager era, and did it while staying rather constrained with the humor and inside gags. The show did sprinkle in a few weird MacFarlane gags here and there, but only at opportune moments. It was like b-tier Trek. It makes me wonder what could have been if Paramount... or CBS (who seems to have rights to produce their own Trek shows) gave Seth MacFarlane his own Star Trek series.

 

[rorepmE]

The problem with modern Star Trek:

The 5 most popular book genres for men are philosophy, comics, politics, science fiction, and history

The 5 most popular book genres for women are historical romance, contemporary romance, chick lit, paranormal romance, and erotica

Star Trek is innately male. NuTrek is...

yuuuuuuuuppppp

 

[EviLore]

 

[falconhoof]

We've already refined what it is to be a woman, a doctor, or an engineer, so why not a warrior?

 

[rorepmE]

"Today is a good day to cry"

 

[rkofan87]

Why does this show have more comedy in it than Seth Macfarlanes The Orville?



It's nice to see Robert Piccardo again as the EMH. Even though they recycled that 'Tricorder.. Medical Tricorder" joke from Voyager. Even then it wasn't really a joke in Voyager as Ensign Kim had no idea what he was doing. Star Fleet Academy seems to be just stacking jokes upon jokes.

do they explain how the Hologram ages?

 

[rkofan87]

Why does this show have more comedy in it than Seth Macfarlanes The Orville?

because the Orville was more of a tribute than a parody like we originally thought it was
Star Trek now just Star Trek and Star Trek terms in name only

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

I was worried we wouldn't get a gay klingon.

 

[MrCunningham]

do they explain how the Hologram ages?

Yes apparently the show does have an explanation. The EMH Doctor is like 200 years old at this point, and they age him up to not 'creep out' the younger cadets... though at this point in Star Trek lore, you'd think they would have solved aging altogether. But hey, Paramount doesn't have the budget to de-age everyone.

 

[Fake]

This is beyond pathetic. We really lived long enough to see this franchise going to the abyss.

 

[MrCunningham]

because the Orville was more of a tribute than a parody like we originally thought it was
Star Trek now just Star Trek and Star Trek terms in name only

It's true. The Orville was really a tribute to the older Trek series, and it should come to no surprise that Seth Macfarlane is a big old school Trekie, given how much he would reference the series in Family Guy/ American Dad. Of course Patrick Stewart would do voice work on both shows. The Orville was a serious stab at doing a Star Trek-like series in a similar way that Galaxy Quest would do a serious take on the Star Trek franchise. Bringing on Brannon Braga as an executive producer added to the TGN/ Voyager vibe of the show.

The Orville was trying to take a lower key than the traditional 'USS Enterprise' driven Trek show. As the ship: The Orville was meant to be a lower tier vessel in the Union Fleet. It wasn't a flag ship of the federation like the USS Enterprise. So The Orville's episodic adventures were not trying to be as grandiose.

My memory is a little fuzzy on the show because I haven't really re-watched any of the episodes. I was honestly watching the show in its initial Fox run. I believe season three streamed on HULU? I would have to watch it again at some point to re-evaluate the show.

 

[rkofan87]

believe season three streamed on HULU?

yes season 3 was a Hulu exclusive Seth was still hoping for a season 4 but I think it's just been too long

 

[jason10mm]

Let me spout off my hippy nonsense and make sure no veteran EVER respects my opinion........

 

[jason10mm]

It's true. The Orville was really a tribute to the older Trek series, and it should come to no surprise that Seth Macfarlane is a big old school Trekie, given how much he would reference the series in Family Guy/ American Dad. Of course Patrick Stewart would do voice work on both shows. The Orville was a serious stab at doing a Star Trek-like series in a similar way that Galaxy Quest would do a serious take on the Star Trek franchise. Bringing on Brannon Braga as an executive producer added to the TGN/ Voyager vibe of the show.

The Orville was trying to take a lower key than the traditional 'USS Enterprise' driven Trek show. As the ship: The Orville was meant to be a lower tier vessel in the Union Fleet. It wasn't a flag ship of the federation like the USS Enterprise. So The Orville's episodic adventures were not trying to be as grandiose.

My memory is a little fuzzy on the show because I haven't really re-watched any of the episodes. I was honestly watching the show in its initial Fox run. I believe season three streamed on HULU? I would have to watch it again at some point to re-evaluate the show.

The first season especially had a lot of slapstick and just stuff played for yuks until they found a good storytelling vibe. Once they groked how the Kaylon, Myclon, Krill, etc could all work both as jokes, sci-fi foils, and social commentary it really hit it's stride. Then getting the 2 absolute joke characters, the ginger pilot and the black guy, into more emotional b plot beats worked better as well, even if those actors never really seemed to fit with the dialogue. Plus the doctor lady, WOW she sold all the silly shit they made her do, props to that actress for 100% commitment.

I think Seth realized he was the weakest acting link and stepped way back, which helped as well. He worked better as a sort of straight man to the insanity than participating in it directly.

 

[taylor34]

The Orville is the best Star Trekish show in the past 20 years, and it's not even close. It's the only thing that's even close to the 90's shows. I enjoyed it a lot. That's all they'd have to do, make a new Star Trek mirrored after The Orville and it would be a giant hit.

New Trek is so wrapped up with trying to be edgy with cameras, casts that don't appeal to their target demographic, storylines where the same person always solves the problem even when it makes zero sense (the Wesley Crusher effect), etc.

Strange New Worlds was the only one that was decent but even its last season was abysmal for some reason starting with the space zombies episode.

 

[rorepmE]

TIL Klingons have two dicks. Thanks STD!

New porn category TKD to surpass BBC

My only question is it it stacked or side-by-side?

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Yes apparently the show does have an explanation. The EMH Doctor is like 200 years old at this point, and they age him up to not 'creep out' the younger cadets... though at this point in Star Trek lore, you'd think they would have solved aging altogether. But hey, Paramount doesn't have the budget to de-age everyone.

they made a similarly hand-waived "explanation" with Guinan's sudden aging on Picard



...although the one time I'll actually give them a pass is that they handled the issue fine with Q, felt like his correct sense of humor


(Stewart's acting and language in this scene, on the hand, was horrible and entirely out of character)

 

[Oberstein]

I was worried we wouldn't get a gay klingon.

And yet, Klingons aren't comfortable with human interactions in general, let alone with Picard's coming out.

(Stewart's acting and language in this scene, on the hand, was horrible and entirely out of character)

Patrick Stewart's acting is catastrophic in the new series, but unfortunately he stopped understanding the character he was playing a long time ago.

In the Nemesis making-of, he even said he loved driving cars, so they cobbled together a dumb sequence where he drives one…

That's not the same Jean-Luc Picard from the TV series. A classic problem with the movies. It's said pretty clearly in the Plinkett review.


It's timestamped at the right moment.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Patrick Stewart's acting is catastrophic in the new series, but unfortunately he stopped understanding the character he was playing a long time ago.

Agreed, the truth is that Stewart is not Picard, and if anything he singlehandedly did more to kickstart destroying the character (since the TNG movies) than anyone.

The worst self illusion is when actors -- even legitimately great ones in a role -- suddenly believe they should have a voice to contribute anything at all to the writing or future of that character. Writing and acting are not inherently co-occurring skills. Some actors have it, but by no means should any of them be assumed without proof to even have competency as a idea contributor or writer.