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[FalsettoVibe]

I actually have both of these cards currently unopened as I panic bought them both last week. Which one needs to go back?
Apologies if this is a bad thread and this question should be asked elsewhere.

I heard that the MSI possibly has bad cooling and needs to be undervolted. Not sure I want to go through the trouble if its a pain....

 

[Puscifer]

The only reason I'd select the 5070ti is if you'll really miss path tracing. Regular RT doesn't make a difference but PT in one or two major games means a lot to some people.

 

[StereoVsn]

I actually have both of these cards currently unopened as I panic bought them both last week. Which one needs to go back?
Apologies if this is a bad thread and this question should be asked elsewhere.

Depends on the price you paid. Both are good cards. Nvidia has advantage of more advanced upscaling. AMD is cheaper.

You could keep both and just resell 5070Ti as prices rise next couple of months.

Personally i find that too much of a hassle and would keep Nvidia if price difference was $150 or less and return AMD. And vice versa if Nvidia was over $150 price differential.

Oh and if you want to mess around with gaming on Linux, AMD is better.

Edit: I am blind and didn't see the price. I would keep 5070 Ti unless I really wanted to go down Linux pathway.

Edit 2: I have the 5080 version of the MSI card and no issues since I got it a few months back.

 

[KyoZz]

As much as I hate them for the price, always go Nvidia.

 

[winjer]

Does price make a difference to you?
If price doesn't matter to you, keep the 5070Ti. You get better Path Tracing and DLSS 4.5.
With the 9070XT you get the new AI Slop Driver bundle, in 2 days time.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

keep the 9070XT, sell the 5070ti for a premium as prices go up.

 

[Nankatsu]

Team AMD.

 

[StereoVsn]

Does price make a difference to you?
If price doesn't matter to you, keep the 5070Ti. You get better Path Tracing and DLSS 4.5.
With the 9070XT you get the new AI Slop Driver bundle, in 2 days time.

And the price difference is only $50 here (pricing is in the poll). Kind of a no brainer to go to 5070 Ti at that price.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

Keep the 5070Ti but flip the 9070XT when there's a shortage of 16gb cards available.

 

[EverythingsOverrated]

If you're looking to make more money, I would wait for prices to go up even more and then sell the 5070ti.

If you're looking for path tracing, frame generation, a better upscaler and don't care about the profit, keep the 5070ti.

 

[Gaiff]

The only reason I'd select the 5070ti is if you'll really miss path tracing. Regular RT doesn't make a difference but PT in one or two major games means a lot to some people.

DLSS support is much more widespread than FSR4 support too. When the price is this close, the 5070 Ti is the better buy.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Nvidia 5070 gets my vote. With the prices you mention here.
The new DLSS 4.5 in Ultraperformance will give you raytracing minus the path tracing while still looking good all the way to 4K/60.

 

[DeepEnigma]

5070 with that narrow of a price gap.

 

[winjer]

And the price difference is only $50 here (pricing is in the poll). Kind of a no brainer to go to 5070 Ti at that price.

He might also want to keep the 9070XT for a few months, unopened, then sell it for a profit.
16Gb GPUs are probably going to be worth a pretty penny soon enough.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

As much as I hate them for the price, always go Nvidia.

Does price make a difference to you?
If price doesn't matter to you, keep the 5070Ti. You get better Path Tracing and DLSS 4.5.
With the 9070XT you get the new AI Slop Driver bundle, in 2 days time.

And the price difference is only $50 here (pricing is in the poll). Kind of a no brainer to go to 5070 Ti at that price.

I would 100% do that and it seems like a no brainer, but I am worried about MSI. I hear the cooling on this specific card is a little lacking, so undervolting is a good idea? Any experience with MSI lately?
My last Nvidia card was a 1080 (MSI) and that was great. But I hear they are not as good anymore.

keep the 9070XT, sell the 5070ti for a premium as prices go up.

Team AMD.

Why? Only thing I hear is that the 9070 has better base power for certain games but then theres DLSS....

 

[FalsettoVibe]

So far 5070 TI is winning this pretty handedly.....lol
No votes and good reasons for the 9070?

 

[winjer]

I would 100% do that and it seems like a no brainer, but I am worried about MSI. I hear the cooling on this specific card is a little lacking, so undervolting is a good idea? Any experience with MSI lately?
My last Nvidia card was a 1080 (MSI) and that was great. But I hear they are not as good anymore.

Why? Only thing I hear is that the 9070 has better base power for certain games but then theres DLSS....

The cooler of that MSi card is just OK. It's not the best, but it's serviceable.
Unless you have really bad case airflow, you won't have any problems.
And yes, you should undervolt your GPU, regardless of what brand you get. It always helps lowering power consumption and reducing temperatures.

The cooler on the 9070Xt from Gigabyte, is not much better.

 

[winjer]

So far 5070 TI is winning this pretty handedly.....lol
No votes and good reasons for the 9070?

With such a small price difference, there is no reason to go for the 9070XT.
Maybe, if it was more than 100$.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I would keep the 5070ti:
- 2x path tracing performance
- Ray reconstruction helps in PT/RT games. Without it, you have to either accept the noise or turn RT off. For example Alan Wake 2 with RT is a mess without RR. AMD plans to add its own alternative to this technology, "ray regeneration," but it will probably not be available for games that have already been released with Ray Reconstruction support.
-DLSS FG is much better than FSR FG, not to mention 5070ti has MFG. When I use DLSS FG, I can forget that I'm even using FG. In contrast, FSR FG is clearly a compromise, with input lag and poor frame delivery. Being able to boost framerare without noticeable downsides is a big help, especially at 4K.
-DLSS SR is supported in more games.
-Nvidia Inspector allows me to fix glitches in many old games and adjust the image quality to my liking. For example I can set negative LOD bias to load higher texture resolution with DLSS/FSR games (Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2, Dead Space Remake, and many more).

 

[delirium trigger]

Don't spend 800 dollars on a gpu and miss out on nvidia's features.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Why?

 

[darrylgorn]

Can't speak to the power of the 9070 but with my limited anecdotal experience, MSI is generally a more reliable brand than gigabyte.

 

[Xyphie]

For $50 extra 5070 Ti is objectively the correct choice for 99% of use cases.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Who's the biggest liar? Jensen or Lisa?

 

[//DEVIL//]

I actually have both of these cards currently unopened as I panic bought them both last week. Which one needs to go back?
Apologies if this is a bad thread and this question should be asked elsewhere.

I heard that the MSI possibly has bad cooling and needs to be undervolted. Not sure I want to go through the trouble if its a pain....

between these 2 options only, its the gigabyte hands down. i had that card at one point for a client and I tested games with it. was nice in terms of noise and temps.

the shadow is something you need to avoid like its a virus coming to kill you. that and a ventus.

if it was anything above. like vanguard? then 100% go with that. the gigabyte OC is as good as MSI trio. however, the gigabyte has an advantage in terms of way less coil whine compared to MSI cards ( or any other cards in general, I have an FE and I still have a coil whine )

Edit: oh wait. the gigabyte is 9070xt .. nevermind. go with 5070ti. DLSS 4.5, MFG, better ray tracing.. why is this even a topic ?

 

[Puscifer]

DLSS support is much more widespread than FSR4 support too. When the price is this close, the 5070 Ti is the better buy.

You can force it in AMD Catalyst

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Edit: oh wait. the gigabyte is 9070xt .. nevermind. go with 5070ti. DLSS 4.5, MFG, better ray tracing.. why is this even a topic ?

Because you guys are smart.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Why do you have to pick? what's in your mind that bothers you?

 

[Gaiff]

You can force it in AMD Catalyst

You can force a lot of things. Doesn't mean they work.

 

[RaZoR No1]

At around the same price: Nvidia.
More support, more and better features,

 

[manfestival]

People bring up MFG but realistically if that matters to a person then they can get Lossless Scaling. Which is more frames and more frames are more framier. Never let frame gen be a reason to go with one card over another. Anyways, DLSS transformer model is pretty fantastic. That alone would be reason to go with 5070ti over the 9070xt with parity on pricing

 

[Spyxos]

Wow they, are so close in price. Here the 5070ti is a lot more expensive. I would say return the 9070xt and keep the 5070ti for better upscaling.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

With prices that close, its the 5070ti.

Coming from a 9070xt user - only go that route if its 150 cheaper (or youre on linux)

 

[PlayStaytion]

I don't think it's fair to compare when our way of thinking aligns with +10 years old tech, it wouldn't be fair to reduce these cutting edge masterpieces into binary which you have to decide based on that info. That includes Tech Jesus and many other tech Youtubers, they need to change their way of thinking.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Why do you have to pick? what's in your mind that bothers you?

After a little research, the lack of proper cooling on the MSI and lack of features on the 9070. I think most in this thread are making a fantastic argument for the 5070 TI though.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

5070ti easily.

Undervolt the 5070ti and you can get very close to a stock 5080 power while running cooler temps and lower watt than even a base 5070ti.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

5070ti easily.

Undervolt the 5070ti and you can get very close to a stock 5080 power while running cooler temps and lower watt than even a base 5070ti.

And this is safe and won't shorten the life of the GPU right?

 

[hinch7]

Keep the 5070Ti for better RT and DLSS4 which are well ahead of what AMD is offering at the moment. And more support for DLSS 4 in games. Way more efficient cards as well, even before we go into stuff like DLSS 4.5 performance.

Nvidia also supports their hardware for a long time also, unlike AMD who has a terrible track record of dropping support or features for their legacy stuff.

 

[DeepEnigma]

After a little research, the lack of proper cooling on the MSI and lack of features on the 9070. I think most in this thread are making a fantastic argument for the 5070 TI though.

The MSI will be fine. It's close to reference and will just be louder than the 9070 or other larger OC variants.

Just don't push clocks and leave it as is, if concerned.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And this is safe and won't shorten the life of the GPU right?

Undervolting, no. It usually extends the life due to less power draw, cooler temps, quieter fans, etc..

Just keep in mind, that MSI if it's the one I think it is, isn't dual bios like other more expensive OC cards.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Because you guys are smart.

Just get the 5070 ti because it even has a better resale value. 50$ is nothing when looking at the advantages it has. better driver support, better ray tracing, better upscaler, better resale value.

The only advantage AMD has over Nvidia is if you want to install steam OS like on this PC and not an actual windows PC. but if you do that, you lose lots of multiplayer games because most of them wont work on linux ( you will probably get banned even if you try workaround the anti cheat system )

And this is safe and won't shorten the life of the GPU right?

Undervolting is something recommended for video cards. the easist for someone new is just reduce the power slider to 80% in the msi afterburner and u good to go. you wont even lose much of performance... not that you have to worry about it in the first place. this is a 5070 ti not a 5090. you are not pushing much. a 2 fan cooler will do fine for this kind of power.

 

[Bojji]

With relatively small price difference, keep 5070ti. Nvidia still offers a bit more features.

 

[//DEVIL//]

in the review he has. in cp2077 which is very demanding, he is getting about 69 degrees 70 degrees without undervolting. i would say this is perfectly fine temp for this kind of games which push the card to the max. you good to go ( just a bonus but i do like the fact that the back plate covers the whole card and there is no open hole in the middle. i hate that. just in case if an AIO leaks or whatever you wont fry your your card.

one of the things I like about the FE too lol.

 

[neo raider]

I wouldn't go amd no matter how good they are in terms of pricing because of the many horror stories I saw online about the drivers

 

[Puscifer]

You can force a lot of things. Doesn't mean they work.

Except it does?

 

[winjer]

Except it does?

But it only works on games that already have FSR3.1 implemented.
Games with FSR3.0 or 2.X do not work.

The only way is to use Optiscaler. Then FSR4 works on almost every game, as long as it has DLSS/XeSS/FSR

 

[Gaiff]

Except it does?

Except it doesn't. You need Optiscaler to force FSR4 into FSR2. You can't just force FSR4 in a game that only has DLSS support.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Thanks everyone! The majority in this thread make a great case to go with the 5070 TI. I am going to return the 9070 tomorrow.

 

[V2Tommy]

Buy once, cry once.

 

[Pharaoh 117]

I have that exact 5070Ti and I'm happy with it. Also tested the 9070XT for a month and was happy with it as well. Both cards are pretty even IMO.