DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
At the time of the show, he's over 800. Not 200. The show is set over 800 years in the future.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy — Teaser Trailer
- Thread starter Lord Panda
- Start date
- Cringe
At the time of the show, he's over 800. Not 200. The show is set over 800 years in the future.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Does he ever say, "We use to have a cure for all the stuff that you guys have"
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Indeed, a traditional honor (and lineage, family) based society like the Klingons has no room for "sexual identities" or orientations or anything else. This kind of hard conflict between value systems made for fascinating debates and plots!
But this show has to remove anything that actually makes races and their belief systems different, smash it all together into vague cultural progressivism circa 2020s.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
1:1 understanding.
MrCunningham
Member
Honestly... I haven't even watched the episode yet. I don't have a subscription to Paramount Plus at the moment. I know the first episode was available for free on Youtube, but geoblocked if you are in Canada. None of the other streaming services in Canada has it available yet. I just went with whatever online information I could find. But the 800 years into the future idea seems even worse.
Last edited:
falconhoof
Member
The best VPN for speed and security
Get fast, secure VPN service in {variable_totalVpnCountries}+ countries. Download our free VPN now — or check out Proton VPN Plus for even more premium features.
protonvpn.com
This is enough to get around Youtube geoblocking. The free tier is all I used. Not that Fleet academy is worth much effort.
Just hunt down the blu-ray sets. I think you can get them all for $100 new, so mayne less used? Not sure what the image quality is though. Paramount streaming quality isnt wowing me but I doubt the blue rays are much better, sadly.
Have the "racial (or cultural, whatever) exception" can be a good way to insert drama into a show ABOUT that race/culture/etc. So a Star Trek show with all Klingons, then yeah, give us one that defies the norms just so we now have a reason to discuss those norms in a dramatic tense setting.
But as the ONLY Klingon on the show (well, full klingon maybe?) to then eschew all the Klingon traits....then why have him be klingon, with all the expectations and baggage, instead of a new race? It would be like having a robotic race that is fully emotional and able to compeltely embrace biologic life, death, etc. WTF is it a robot then? TNG, as usual, did it right, with an outsider klingon character who wanted to out-klingon every other klingon and served to both highlight good klingon traits and contrast the bad ones with federation practice.
This is DnD all over again. "I wanna be the GOOD Orc! Who is totally urban, totally kind and generous, totally worships a goddess of peace and love and oh yeah is also not green skinned, doesn't have tusks, is only 3 or 4 feet tall, and has curly brown hair and hairy feet."
"Um, sounds like you really just want to be a halfling."
"STOP JUDGING ME THIS IS FANTASY I CAN BE ANYTHING I WANT TO BE!!!!!"
Signalis
Member
The Blu-Rays look good as it's a direct transfer from the film reels, as TNG was shot on 35mm film and not tape. It looks as good as the Twin Peaks Blu-Rays
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
IGN gave it an 8/10
IGN is the target audience.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Is woke media the new Christian media? As in, it's always terrible and dumbed down but it contains the message so your weird aunt raves about it?
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Is woke media the new Christian media? As in, it's always terrible and dumbed down but it contains the message so your weird aunt raves about it?
Movie has some big names. Wilfred Brimley!
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
You can do a plot about that, but it needs to be done well. You've seen the Orville? the plot line with the kid moclan showed how to do this kind of thing, that's how you tell the story of an atypical member of a stablished species.
The thing with this stuff is that they know their audience and budget accordingly. Like Tyler Perry.Is woke media the new Christian media? As in, it's always terrible and dumbed down but it contains the message so your weird aunt raves about it?
But Paramount dropping 20+ MILLION per ep for academy......for who, exactly? Then they try to shame the established audience who are fleeing the sinking ship, like, dude, just give us what we want, what we say we want, what you KNOW we want, instead of gaslighting yourselves that there is some massive queer and female audience for Trek that just loves to see pandering "oh she OWNED that guy, Yaz qween!" nonsense.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
Its getting worse
Revolutionary
Member
I'm sensing an acting trend...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm sensing an acting trend...
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
This is starting to make disney star wars look palatable by comparison.
Which is quite the feat.
Which is quite the feat.
Bulletzen72
Member
Episode 3 - What the fucking fuck was that? an hour of laser tag, bare feet and bullshit. I hate it! Fuck me! Genuinely the worst episode of Star Trek I've ever seen in my life.
Last edited:
Pancakes and Sausage
Member
I only watched half of the first episode and won't watch anymore.
Your description though sounds perfectly made for the feet lickers and toe suckers - along with large lesbians of course
Grenseal
Member
Star Trek ended with the last episode of Voyager. The Borg were finally defeated, the Dominion Wars had come to an end and a new era of peace and cooperation was developing.
That was it. There was no more Star Trek after that. Also, none of the movies count unless they were with the original crew. (Generations didn't happen either)
That was it. There was no more Star Trek after that. Also, none of the movies count unless they were with the original crew. (Generations didn't happen either)
Dr.D00p
Banned
Hey, who stole my Pornhub search entry?
Unknown Soldier
Member
I refuse to believe this show is real
Whoever is in charge of Star Trek they are unserious people who were hired to kill the franchise
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
First Contact was awesome, though.
Was it though?
I loved it at the time, but i retrospect it so hamstrung the Borg as any kind of threat, they are now a punchline.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
That's what happens when you get rid of Nerd kingdom. No more pocket protecting, coffee drinking, cigarette smoking, no time for a girls when we have Star Trek, type of peeps.
Crazy bastards fact check and the nerd fans kept the nerd writers on point.
I enjoyed Next Generation and Enterprise (Damn song makes me want to go to space and have a new adventure in my life every time I hear it).
Last edited:
Angry_Megalodon
Member
As long as they don't misgender anyone, they'll be fine. Who cares about planets and stuff like that.
Oberstein
Member
Hum... If we separate the series from the movies, yes, it's the least worst of the TNG movies.
"I believe our goal should be to puncture one of the plasma coolant tanks"
That part will always make me laugh.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
"THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HEEEERE!"
Always my favorite line in the movie. They even parodyied it on DS9 with Quark repeating it.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I'll stick up for Generations. It's actually my favorite of the TNG movies, despite being a mess on the level of overall plot and having some very awkward bits like the final fistfight.
Why is it the best one? Because it still feels like TV series. The ship is not bleak and military, like the 1701-E that replaced it; it's still the beautiful interior we love from the series, but with better lighting and details. The plot is also not so absurdly action oriented... most of it (until the fistfight ending) is great, ordinary Trek fare: finding an attacked base and wondering why, tracking down a series of clues in stellar cartography, a mystery about an anomaly that traverses time, etc.
And the emotional core of the film works. It's Picard dealing with sudden deaths and with his own desire for a family. The nexus sequence is excellent, Shatner's tone and humor plays great against Picard, all of those moments are worth it.
First Contact impressed me at the time, but over the years I think of it as already a step too far away from the show, the beginning of the end for TNG.
EDIT: also if you haven't seen this from the official Roddenberry Archive project... it's basically a new, extended ending to the original film.
Last edited:
Fake
Member
Lazy is the key word for gen Z. And modern audience are so stupid they either wouldn't notice or care about logic.
Last edited:
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I hate-watched more, halfway into the second episode... and I finally realized the tone I hate so much about this version of Starfleet's academy: it's all Harry Potter / Hogwarts. That's exactly what it is.
The little cast of eccentric-but-kind professors. The highschool cliques and bullies and groups. The sense of magic in the air, like every recruit is going to reveal their unique magic sooner or later (like the guy in episode 1 who saves them by his hidden ability to sustain extreme cold temperatures). And mostly, just the tone. It feels like something made by the generation whose highest fantasy was Harry Potter.
Which is decidedly not the Star Trek generation, who loved the science quasi-military exploration tone and formality. Totally irreconcilable styles of fictional universes.
Now, for fun, here are shots of the academy over the years.
Very early on TNG: Wesley puts down his game boy to meet a hottie, then prepares to take a super hard standardized test that screens out any but the best:
Then, the greatest Academy episode The First Duty which culminates in a long Picard speech about duty. Here's Wes strengthening his arm in his quarters, a wide view of campus, and a group of cadets
Then, the formality of Picard's academy days:
Picured here: moments before Picard sleeps with this young hottie:
DS9 gives us a few glimpses too, in the 2-parter Paradise Lost
Tonally, all of those classic portrayals are something like an elite military academy, but also very academic. But above all, very formal. You always see the students standing at attention in uniform. You see clean, mature spaces and areas of the campus. It's not a damn teen drama or a Hogwarts.
The little cast of eccentric-but-kind professors. The highschool cliques and bullies and groups. The sense of magic in the air, like every recruit is going to reveal their unique magic sooner or later (like the guy in episode 1 who saves them by his hidden ability to sustain extreme cold temperatures). And mostly, just the tone. It feels like something made by the generation whose highest fantasy was Harry Potter.
Which is decidedly not the Star Trek generation, who loved the science quasi-military exploration tone and formality. Totally irreconcilable styles of fictional universes.
Now, for fun, here are shots of the academy over the years.
Very early on TNG: Wesley puts down his game boy to meet a hottie, then prepares to take a super hard standardized test that screens out any but the best:
Then, the greatest Academy episode The First Duty which culminates in a long Picard speech about duty. Here's Wes strengthening his arm in his quarters, a wide view of campus, and a group of cadets
Then, the formality of Picard's academy days:
Picured here: moments before Picard sleeps with this young hottie:
DS9 gives us a few glimpses too, in the 2-parter Paradise Lost
Tonally, all of those classic portrayals are something like an elite military academy, but also very academic. But above all, very formal. You always see the students standing at attention in uniform. You see clean, mature spaces and areas of the campus. It's not a damn teen drama or a Hogwarts.
fun fact, this actress was only 17 when she made this episode. Hooray for 90's hollywoodThen, the formality of Picard's academy days:
Picured here: moments before Picard sleeps with this young hottie:
but yes, any notion that Starfleet isn't, at the very least, military-like in structure if not outright para-military/military, is ridiculous. But you can see the liberal NGO influences now. Bet they will still love all the Admirals handing out bad orders though
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I hate Harry Potter, with a passion. Every frame and word of it that I've seen.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
oh noooooo...
MrCunningham
Member
He did fine work in diabeetus...
Unknown Soldier
Member
I wish this was true but it makes for a nice story
MrCunningham
Member
It is such a strange reality.
American TV execs (TV execs are no different in Canada, BTW.. possibly even more constrictive. ): "We need all these things o please our viewers" *Mega list of do's and don;t that would equate to 'woke' for many people*
Chinese investors: "Please no woke"
Saudi investors: "Please no woke"
... I don't know.
Last edited:
Cyberpunkd
Member
I don't know the investor part but I cannot imagine any exec is happy with the results. It doesn't matter who is in there, how woke it is, that leading lady behaves like she was drunk on set.
What matters is money, and given viewer engagement it is clear this is almost all loss, zero profit.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
But then, you'd think they'd learn by now? Discovery wasn't very popular, Section 31 bombed, Picard S1&2 were largely hated by the consumers, and now Academy. The common factor is obvious to everyone so the execs must realize it too, do they just not care about making money?
Does Kurtzman have some juicy blackmail on the execs?
Last edited:
Saber
Newd Member
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
That's because the investors are changing. From Blackrock and their ESG based loans what rewarded "woke" at the expense of revenue to more profit minded folks who want a different set of propaganda AND want revenue to support it. But yeah, the chinese and saudi tolerances are gonna really clash with current narratives. I think you will still get woke stuff, but it's gonna be much lower budget, which is appropriate since that stuff has a much smaller actual audience.
I'm not sure I really want chinese or saudi oversight of the themes and commentary in my entertainment, Hollywood has already compromised itself so much vying for those few chinese film slots. At this point its the "lesser of two evils" argument and I'd rather look at pretty chinese girls in all my shows than blue haired potato shaped harpies.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
sadly, it is