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One of the best looking games this whole generation.

Yes, it looks lovely, I've seen youtuber saying it looks bad which i don't understand.

 

[Bojji]

I'm still amazed how much difference DoF makes in FS games, first time I played ER on PS5 I thought the erd tree use low res bitmaps:

Turns out, it doesn't - they are just blurred by DoF. This is also the first time I'm testing nvidia smooth motion (frame generation in the driver) and it works... surprisingly well.

 

[Gonzito]

I'm still amazed how much difference DoF makes in FS games, first time I played ER on PS5 I thought the erd tree use low res bitmaps:

Turns out, it doesn't - they are just blurred by DoF. This is also the first time I'm testing nvidia smooth motion (frame generation in the driver) and it works... surprisingly well.

I hate that this games forces Chromatic Aberration and if you want to remove it you have to mod it and then you are forced to play offline. Fuck From Software for that shit

 

[Bojji]

I hate that this games forces Chromatic Aberration and if you want to remove it you have to mod it and then you are forced to play offline. Fuck From Software for that shit

Yeah, fuck this shit. Simple toggle in the menu is that hard to do? We know they love this shit (since BB) but many people are allergic to that (including me).

Meanwhile TW3 on PS5 has shit ton of options to enable or disable filters like that.

 

[PeteBull]

This sound too accurate to be coincidental. Did you meet someone at a 2026 NYE party in Miami like Topuria ?

I dont kiss and tell, but im from polish smalltown and even here u got mountains of women racking up bodycount like john wick in his movies

 

[Represent.]

Battlefield 6 single player looks downright amazing at times.

Sound design really good.

Gunplay itself is great.

It's a shame it's so goddamn uninspired and generic. I'm like 5 missions in and there's been just 1 setpiece. Zero ambition. Haven't even hopped on a turret yet. It's been all small scale street fights. Except, way less polished than any COD game.

(But the game looks amazing on a base ps5. Frostbite really giving ue5 a run for its money.)

So much wasted potential. We need a story driven, graphically impressive, mature and heavy 15 hour campaign. Naughty dog style but FPS. At 5 hours long, I don't mind the length but if your game is that short then there's no excuse to not go all out.

 

[CowboyLou]

So much wasted potential. We need a story driven, graphically impressive, mature and heavy 15 hour campaign. Naughty dog style but FPS. At 5 hours long, I don't mind the length but if your game is that short then there's no excuse to not go all out.

BF4 had an atrocious campaign too but it was, I believe, the last big military FPS to use real-world factions/nations in its premise. There was a huge Chinese backlash iirc and ever since we get watered-down nonsense revolving around fictional, nonsensical entities like "Pax Armata" "Avalon" "Konni" etc. On top of that, political and social consciousness grew among the game developer class to the point where I don't think they could tell a gritty, grounded war story even if they tried. And honestly, I'm not sure where is left for the realistic military FPS campaign to go. Not many or any great examples since the original Modern Warfare trilogy. CoD went into fantasy land, BF followed (except there was never a good BF campaign in the first place). I liked Modern Warfare from 2019 but even that game pulled a lot of its punches, you could tell this kind of content had to be handled differently than the PS360 gen. I don't even know what I would want out of this kind of campaign anymore. Feels like their time came and went.

They shouldn't have wasted time making it, though. BF2042 had the right idea by skipping campaign entirely.

BF6 character rendering is off. I don't expect the greatest, given what kind of game it is, but there's something about eyes and eyebrows that just looks terrible. Haven't even been tempted by any skins considering how many only show the upper half of face. Big step down from previous entries. Maybe overall detail is better but something's wrong with faces.

 

[SlimySnake]

Never saw any info of epic admitting it being prerendered, but saw plenty gamers claiming its realtime and pretty sure epic claimed its real time too, hell i thought it was realtime back in mid 2020 before ps5 launch too, but now its obviously cgi/bullshot trailer/prerendered/false advertising.
Look at those fuckers lie tru their teeth straight to our faces:



Hell in video description u got clearly written:


Turns out most impressive part of the demo was cgi aka bullshot
Its like woman claiming she has only 7bodycount, then u find out that number is for 2026 only and resets every year(new year new me bs- im spiritual now- then what happened to last 10 years u were physically fucking all other dudes tho? Their penises were very real and not ghosts ).

Really cant wait for gta6 here to actually experience those crazy graphics(even if its 30fps with dips at below 1080p native res ai upscaled to something more reasonable), altho not even sure whats gonna come out sooner, gta6 or witcher4(logically gta6 is likely getting delayed to 2027 coz fuck devs unions, witcher4 no clue here, could be 2027, could be even 2030 ).

No no, the demo is still realtime running on ps5 but the last part of the demo, aka the flying section, was a scripted cutscene that was not player controlled but it was definitely rendered on the ps5. It was mentioned in one of the dev interviews that the part wasnt being controlled. Doesnt exactly mean it was pre-rendered. they did something similar for a scene in the matrix demo where Neo and Trinity get multiplied and they said that specific part had to be a video file not because of some GPU limit but some other bottleneck.

We have seen several scenes like that since. Hellblade 2 has several chapters that end and a fly through takes you to the next without cutting. The matrix awakens demo was patched on PC with a Superman mod and i was able to fly really fast through the entire level with no pop-in. Wukong has a scripted scene/cutscene similar to the original ps5 demo as well and Wukong doesnt even use nanite for its foliage. The entire final chapter lets you fly on that cloud as well in very fast speeds. And while spiderman 2 isnt using nanite, it delivers on the promise of that flying demo several times throughout the game.

 

[SlimySnake]

Battlefield 6 single player looks downright amazing at times.

Sound design really good.

Gunplay itself is great.

It's a shame it's so goddamn uninspired and generic. I'm like 5 missions in and there's been just 1 setpiece. Zero ambition. Haven't even hopped on a turret yet. It's been all small scale street fights. Except, way less polished than any COD game.

(But the game looks amazing on a base ps5. Frostbite really giving ue5 a run for its money.)

So much wasted potential. We need a story driven, graphically impressive, mature and heavy 15 hour campaign. Naughty dog style but FPS. At 5 hours long, I don't mind the length but if your game is that short then there's no excuse to not go all out.

the last great military FPS campaign was the COD2 in 2005. Halo 3 had some epic large scale battles a couple of years later but unfortunately COD4 came out with its focus on navy seals/smaller engagements and that was the end of that. they tried to fake some setpieces in MW2 but i wasnt buying it.

Bungie went away and 343i just couldnt cope with the expectations. Raven, Treyarch, IW and Sledgehammer decided to copy Modern Warfare 1 instead of making a real war game. DICE soon followed. i was so fucking disappointed by BF1's campaign missions I wanted to riot.

It's a travesty that for the past 20 fucking years, we havent had a real war game. Sledgehammer tried with World War 2 but its so small in scale and scripted, i didnt feel like i was playing a war game. probably a 60 fps limitation. But most probably just a lack of ambition and desire to make a real full scale war game.

doesnt help that sony studios, rockstar, and other A tier studios like Bioware have gone full open world trying to copy ubisoft for some reason and lost what made games special. PS2 had LOTR games that were more epic in scale than the trash we are getting now.

 

[CowboyLou]

the last great military FPS campaign was the COD2 in 2005. Halo 3 had some epic large scale battles a couple of years later but unfortunately COD4 came out with its focus on navy seals/smaller engagements and that was the end of that. they tried to fake some setpieces in MW2 but i wasnt buying it.

I'm curious to think why you weren't "buying" stuff like the DC setpiece battles in MW2. You can certainly see the cracks going back now, but they still outdid anything in CoD2. I like CoD2 but it's extremely monotonous without any real sense of pacing, and most of the "battles" were limited to a few streets and city blocks start to finish. Most of the CoDs for the rest of that generation had more impressive moments than CoD2, and CoD1 had better variety and pacing (especially counting its expansion pack).

 

[PeteBull]

the last great military FPS campaign was the COD2 in 2005.

Gotta disagree here, cod ww2 (launched nov 2017)had very good singleplayer camplaign.

 

[SlimySnake]

Gotta disagree here, cod ww2 (launched nov 2017)had very good singleplayer camplaign.

it's ok. nothing special. the normandy landing was supposed to be this epic scene but as soon as the epic cutscenes ended, and the main mission started, you could tell how low budget and not epic it was. i want to see more than just a few soldiers on screen at once. i want to see more than just a few tanks on screen at once.

honestly, the mission i liked the most was the mission hated by everyone. the flying level with literally hundreds of planes in the skies where you escort the bombers. i know it didnt have the most accurate of flying mechanics but its a video game and i loved the insane scale of it. its simply lacking in other boots on the ground levels.

I'm curious to think why you weren't "buying" stuff like the DC setpiece battles in MW2. You can certainly see the cracks going back now, but they still outdid anything in CoD2. I like CoD2 but it's extremely monotonous without any real sense of pacing, and most of the "battles" were limited to a few streets and city blocks start to finish. Most of the CoDs for the rest of that generation had more impressive moments than CoD2, and CoD1 had better variety and pacing (especially counting its expansion pack).

So there are two big setpieces in MW2, the big white house raid (or was it the capitol?), and the DC suburb battle you have the russians. the rest of the game is literally just you and a bunch of other dudes going in and taking out a few bad guys. it plays out more like a spec ops game than a full blown world war 2 game.

 

[CowboyLou]

So there are two big setpieces in MW2, the big white house raid (or was it the capitol?), and the DC suburb battle you have the russians. the rest of the game is literally just you and a bunch of other dudes going in and taking out a few bad guys. it plays out more like a spec ops game than a full blown world war 2 game.

If you were talking about the reboot trilogy I'd agree. But in MW2 there's two separate DC suburb levels and then two or three levels for the actual battle around the capitol and white house. It's a decent chunk of the game. Probably makes up more of the game than CoD4's middle east levels did. Some of the "spec ops" missions escalate into pretty big battles too. And then MW3 opened with the insane NYC levels and was full of big battles throughout, overall larger scale than either CoD4 or MW2. I get what you're saying because you mentioned CoD2 which was that 100% of the time, but striking a balance did wonders for the pacing and storytelling. It makes me even angrier that they screwed up the reboot trilogy so badly.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Battlefield 6 single player looks downright amazing at times.

Sound design really good.

Gunplay itself is great.

It's a shame it's so goddamn uninspired and generic. I'm like 5 missions in and there's been just 1 setpiece. Zero ambition. Haven't even hopped on a turret yet. It's been all small scale street fights. Except, way less polished than any COD game.

(But the game looks amazing on a base ps5. Frostbite really giving ue5 a run for its money.)

So much wasted potential. We need a story driven, graphically impressive, mature and heavy 15 hour campaign. Naughty dog style but FPS. At 5 hours long, I don't mind the length but if your game is that short then there's no excuse to not go all out.

Yes.

 

[Senua]

Gotta disagree here, cod ww2 (launched nov 2017)had very good singleplayer camplaign.

Not really. Still has great visuals though

 

[PeteBull]

No no, the demo is still realtime running on ps5 but the last part of the demo, aka the flying section, was a scripted cutscene that was not player controlled but it was definitely rendered on the ps5. It was mentioned in one of the dev interviews that the part wasnt being controlled. Doesnt exactly mean it was pre-rendered. they did something similar for a scene in the matrix demo where Neo and Trinity get multiplied and they said that specific part had to be a video file not because of some GPU limit but some other bottleneck.

We have seen several scenes like that since. Hellblade 2 has several chapters that end and a fly through takes you to the next without cutting. The matrix awakens demo was patched on PC with a Superman mod and i was able to fly really fast through the entire level with no pop-in. Wukong has a scripted scene/cutscene similar to the original ps5 demo as well and Wukong doesnt even use nanite for its foliage. The entire final chapter lets you fly on that cloud as well in very fast speeds. And while spiderman 2 isnt using nanite, it delivers on the promise of that flying demo several times throughout the game.

First 2 gifs are not base ps5 footage, 3rd one is spidey2 and im sorry, it doesnt look impressive at all compared to end sequence of UE5 demo, it looks gamey/realtime with low texture cardboxes buildings, not cgi, hell its cutscene where u got no controll over ur character and it still looks way worse from the matrix demo u actualy control ur character, thats colorado canion of gap in visual quality - its like claiming running tetris at 16k 240fps is impressive, its not coz tetris looks like shit by modern visual quality standards

TLDR: My qualm with the demo wasnt that UE5 isnt impressive and that things cant be done on it, just that base ps5 cant run that shit at 1440p30 realtime like they claimed(at least endsequence/fast travel, aka most impressive stuff, that was the thing that screamed next gen to me back in mid 2020).

Look at DF written article from may 2020 on that UE5 tech demo reveal, they all praise this shit and claim its ps5 running in real time:

This is next-gen: see Unreal Engine 5 running on PlayStation 5

A genuine generational leap that must be seen to be believed

www.digitalfoundry.net

We had plenty of trailers since then when devs put simple but truthfull disclousure, something akin to: "ingame footage combined with cutscenes/in engine/cgi", in that UE5 tech demo there was not a peep about cutscenes, not to mention whole sequence at the end not being rendered real time on ps5 at all

The reason for that was simple, early parts of the demo were very impressive but gave away how weak ps5 actually is, so the devs needed something with big oomph, something that would hype up the masses, so they produced cgi sequence that was actually breathtaking and very impressive and claimed its running real time on ps5 which obviously wasnt the case

Early parts were totally believable, but they werent that impressive, hell we even got nasty comeback of ps4 exclusive "feature":

Where player is put in tight space so impressive next room has time to load, with that in mind ofc console is too weak to run real time endsequence that is straight cgi, maybe would only be doable at that quality on rtx 5090(and even here im not 100% sure, its that impressive).
Its simple- if ps5 would be able to run endsequence in real time it wouldnt need to get ps4 "classic" feature of tight space there

 

[SussuKiki]

You can literally fly at higher speed in the Matrix demo on PS5 which is more complex than the desert terrain shown in the first UE5 demo, and not talking about the latest Witcher 4 demo running at 60.

 

[PeteBull]

You can literally fly at higher speed in the Matrix demo on PS5 which is more complex than the desert terrain shown in the first UE5 demo, and not talking about the latest Witcher 4 demo running at 60.

Its not 1440p30 tho, is it? native its well below 800p, and obviously we saw dips well below 30 too in the matrix demo, i dont claim UE5 isnt impressive/gorgeus etc, my claim is base ps5 cant run real time endsequence of that may 2020 UE5 demo, and i am right since it was completely faked cgi, thats why it was so impressive, and back in mid 2020 we all thought ps5 is capable of running it real time- we got lied it can, by the devs/ue5 makers themselfs.

 

[SussuKiki]

i know we live now in a world where claims are enough for some to take as the truth, but i need actual proofs that it was not real time, for now i'll still believe the actual devs, and all the evidence we got with better actual showings of the engine running on PS5 compared to that initial demo.

 

[BlownUpRich]

I'm still amazed how much difference DoF makes in FS games, first time I played ER on PS5 I thought the erd tree use low res bitmaps:

Turns out, it doesn't - they are just blurred by DoF. This is also the first time I'm testing nvidia smooth motion (frame generation in the driver) and it works... surprisingly well.

"I doubt you could even imagine it.

That which commanded the stars, giving life its fullest brilliance.

The Elden Ring, oh Elden Ring!

Shattered, by someone, or something...

Don't tell me you don't see it. Look up at the sky.

It burns!"

OMG Elden Ring, my favorite game of all time. Just look at it!!

 

[SlimySnake]

First 2 gifs are not base ps5 footage, 3rd one is spidey2 and im sorry, it doesnt look impressive at all compared to end sequence of UE5 demo, it looks gamey/realtime with low texture cardboxes buildings, not cgi, hell its cutscene where u got no controll over ur character and it still looks way worse from the matrix demo u actualy control ur character, thats colorado canion of gap in visual quality - its like claiming running tetris at 16k 240fps is impressive, its not coz tetris looks like shit by modern visual quality standards

TLDR: My qualm with the demo wasnt that UE5 isnt impressive and that things cant be done on it, just that base ps5 cant run that shit at 1440p30 realtime like they claimed(at least endsequence/fast travel, aka most impressive stuff, that was the thing that screamed next gen to me back in mid 2020).

Look at DF written article from may 2020 on that UE5 tech demo reveal, they all praise this shit and claim its ps5 running in real time:

This is next-gen: see Unreal Engine 5 running on PlayStation 5

A genuine generational leap that must be seen to be believed

www.digitalfoundry.net

We had plenty of trailers since then when devs put simple but truthfull disclousure, something akin to: "ingame footage combined with cutscenes/in engine/cgi", in that UE5 tech demo there was not a peep about cutscenes, not to mention whole sequence at the end not being rendered real time on ps5 at all

The reason for that was simple, early parts of the demo were very impressive but gave away how weak ps5 actually is, so the devs needed something with big oomph, something that would hype up the masses, so they produced cgi sequence that was actually breathtaking and very impressive and claimed its running real time on ps5 which obviously wasnt the case

Early parts were totally believable, but they werent that impressive, hell we even got nasty comeback of ps4 exclusive "feature":

Where player is put in tight space so impressive next room has time to load, with that in mind ofc console is too weak to run real time endsequence that is straight cgi, maybe would only be doable at that quality on rtx 5090(and even here im not 100% sure, its that impressive).
Its simple- if ps5 would be able to run endsequence in real time it wouldnt need to get ps4 "classic" feature of tight space there

That scene is in wukong btw. And wukong's 30 fps mode runs at 1440p 30 fps.

i think the bigger problem is that we have seen virtually no games use hardware lumen on consoles over 4 years after the matrix awakens demo came out. I think Silent Hill 2 is the only one and even that game only runs hardware lumen on the Pro.

id say software lumen has mostly delivered on that original promise.

 

[Bojji]

"I doubt you could even imagine it.

That which commanded the stars, giving life its fullest brilliance.

The Elden Ring, oh Elden Ring!

Shattered, by someone, or something...

Don't tell me you don't see it. Look up at the sky.

It burns!"

OMG Elden Ring, my favorite game of all time. Just look at it!!

Elden Ring engine sucks (on consoles) but damn, that art makes it look 10/10 in places.

 

[AnotherMillo]

The discussion here feels like a lot of people are tired of the same old visuals and want something that truly raises the bar. I agree - I don't want just "better than before", I want a new era of graphics, with living, detailed worlds, not just smoother ones.

 

[SlimySnake]

Its not 1440p30 tho, is it? native its well below 800p, and obviously we saw dips well below 30 too in the matrix demo, i dont claim UE5 isnt impressive/gorgeus etc, my claim is base ps5 cant run real time endsequence of that may 2020 UE5 demo, and i am right since it was completely faked cgi, thats why it was so impressive, and back in mid 2020 we all thought ps5 is capable of running it real time- we got lied it can, by the devs/ue5 makers themselfs.

matrix runs at 1080p 30 fps which was their target for hardware lumen. it actually goes above that at times. its dynamic just like the PS5 UE5 demo which was 1440p 30 fps most of the time but did fluctuate according to Epic themselves.

 

[Bojji]

The discussion here feels like a lot of people are tired of the same old visuals and want something that truly raises the bar. I agree - I don't want just "better than before", I want a new era of graphics, with living, detailed worlds, not just smoother ones.

Every gen we got big increases in fidelity except this one, no wonder that some people are sad about that.

This gen make 60fps mainstream on consoles and it's fucking great, I personally think that games looking like PS4.5 is fair price to pay for such increase in smoothness and gameplay standard. We will finally see proper next gen jump in fidelity with PS6 gen.

 

[SlimySnake]

The discussion here feels like a lot of people are tired of the same old visuals and want something that truly raises the bar. I agree - I don't want just "better than before", I want a new era of graphics, with living, detailed worlds, not just smoother ones.

this is what i wanted at the start of the gen. especially given the big upgrade in CPU and massive upgrade in SSDs. But clearly its not a priority for devs who just want to copy paste what the ubisoft style open worlds they had been working on last gen.

GTA6 seems to be the exception but we havent seen any gameplay from it, and the way its going, it may never come out.

 

[CowboyLou]

I asked in the Arc Raiders thread but I'm more likely to get an answer here: Arc Raiders uses the same RTXGI system on consoles as PC, right? I was playing with a couple friends and one of them was complaining about the lighting on PS5, then they looked up PC comparisons and said it looked more like the "static" non-RTXGI option. I find that hard to believe, considering Embark had no issues implementing their RTXGI solution in The Finals, but I don't own any consoles to compare for myself and I can't find any word online either confirming or denying.

 

[SlimySnake]

This gen make 60fps mainstream on consoles and it's fucking great,

Is it though? The games look awful in their 60 fps modes since almost all of the non-sony games drop to 720p just to hold that 60 fps average.

I went back to FF7 rebirth this weekend to finish up the final few chapters and figured since i now have the pro, at least the game will look better in the 60 fps mode. Played it for three days with the game looking like utter garbage, literally blurry, with the worst textures ive seen since the ps2 era, just plain awful. What my dumbass didnt realize was that these japanese devs didnt default to the PSSR mode, they have a fourth separate mode called Versatility that has to be enabled manually. It looks so much better now. i can finally see the texture detail. Everything doesnt look like a 240p image upscaled to 4k. it's sharp and clean. Characters dont look like ico and yorda from ps2.

I know FF7 rebirth is the worst case scenario, but these 60 fps modes are the main reason why so many console owners think UE5, Snowdrop, Anvil and Northlight games look last gen.

 

[BlownUpRich]

The discussion here feels like a lot of people are tired of the same old visuals and want something that truly raises the bar. I agree - I don't want just "better than before", I want a new era of graphics, with living, detailed worlds, not just smoother ones.

AI generated visuals that aid traditional graphics + path tracing. This is the future that all graphics vendors are betting on.

 

[Bojji]

Is it though? The games look awful in their 60 fps modes since almost all of the non-sony games drop to 720p just to hold that 60 fps average.

I went back to FF7 rebirth this weekend to finish up the final few chapters and figured since i now have the pro, at least the game will look better in the 60 fps mode. Played it for three days with the game looking like utter garbage, literally blurry, with the worst textures ive seen since the ps2 era, just plain awful. What my dumbass didnt realize was that these japanese devs didnt default to the PSSR mode, they have a fourth separate mode called Versatility that has to be enabled manually. It looks so much better now. i can finally see the texture detail. Everything doesnt look like a 240p image upscaled to 4k. it's sharp and clean. Characters dont look like ico and yorda from ps2.

I know FF7 rebirth is the worst case scenario, but these 60 fps modes are the main reason why so many console owners think UE5, Snowdrop, Anvil and Northlight games look last gen.

Most raster games have good enough internal resolutions and they look ok even on base PS5. For games with RT and UE5 games this is a different story, those are the games that should be played in 30 on base consoles because they are pushing the boundaries. But having 60fps as an option is not bad, this should remain as standard.

When you can scale almost everything on GPU this 30/60fps is really not a problem for devs that want to push the envelope. Problem begins when you want to maximize CPU for 30fps game, this may be the case with GTA6 (we will see).

 

[GymWolf]

I'm still amazed how much difference DoF makes in FS games, first time I played ER on PS5 I thought the erd tree use low res bitmaps:

Turns out, it doesn't - they are just blurred by DoF. This is also the first time I'm testing nvidia smooth motion (frame generation in the driver) and it works... surprisingly well.

Dof and blur are the first thing i turn off in every game.

 

[Alex11]

Elden Ring engine sucks (on consoles) but damn, that art makes it look 10/10 in places.

Nah, it sucks big time on PC as well. Terrible performance and stuttery mess at 4K with the most basic ray tracing there is. How could they add ray tracing without any upscaling I'll never know.

 

[GudOlRub]

the last great military FPS campaign was the COD2 in 2005. Halo 3 had some epic large scale battles a couple of years later but unfortunately COD4 came out with its focus on navy seals/smaller engagements and that was the end of that. they tried to fake some setpieces in MW2 but i wasnt buying it.

Bungie went away and 343i just couldnt cope with the expectations. Raven, Treyarch, IW and Sledgehammer decided to copy Modern Warfare 1 instead of making a real war game. DICE soon followed. i was so fucking disappointed by BF1's campaign missions I wanted to riot.

It's a travesty that for the past 20 fucking years, we havent had a real war game. Sledgehammer tried with World War 2 but its so small in scale and scripted, i didnt feel like i was playing a war game. probably a 60 fps limitation. But most probably just a lack of ambition and desire to make a real full scale war game.

doesnt help that sony studios, rockstar, and other A tier studios like Bioware have gone full open world trying to copy ubisoft for some reason and lost what made games special. PS2 had LOTR games that were more epic in scale than the trash we are getting now.

World at War's campaign was also pretty good. The contrast between fighting the Germans and the Japanese is amazing. I'm just sad that they did one early war mission for each theatre and then jumped straight into late war battles.
I'd also argue that Battlefield 1's Storm of Steel is one of the best historical FPS introductions ever, too bad the rest of the campaign didn't live up to it.

 

[SlimySnake]

I asked in the Arc Raiders thread but I'm more likely to get an answer here: Arc Raiders uses the same RTXGI system on consoles as PC, right? I was playing with a couple friends and one of them was complaining about the lighting on PS5, then they looked up PC comparisons and said it looked more like the "static" non-RTXGI option. I find that hard to believe, considering Embark had no issues implementing their RTXGI solution in The Finals, but I don't own any consoles to compare for myself and I can't find any word online either confirming or denying.

Consoles also use RTXGI, but a lower settings variant of it.

Even the maxed out PC version has a lot of issues indoors. Watch the DF PC review. It shows several indoor areas that just dont work.

 

[Bojji]

Nah, it sucks big time on PC as well. Terrible performance and stuttery mess at 4K with the most basic ray tracing there is. How could they add ray tracing without any upscaling I'll never know.

But you can get 60fps easily, on consoles it's not possible. And I didn't saw any stuttering on PC without RT.

Engine is terrible overall, but at least you can control how i behaves on PC (consoles have auto settings that scale with load but NEVER targets locked 60fps).

 

[CowboyLou]

Consoles also use RTXGI, but a lower settings variant of it.

Even the maxed out PC version has a lot of issues indoors. Watch the DF PC review. It shows several indoor areas that just dont work.

Thanks. I watched that vid but I can't remember it saying anything about the console versions. DF never covered the console versions since they care a lot less about analysis vids than they used to.

RTXGI has a lot of issues even compared to something like software Lumen, but I would have been shocked if it was completely cut on the consoles.

 

[GymWolf]

If you have to talk about bf\cod single player campaigns there is a topic for puke inducing stuff somewhere on gaf, let's keep the topic focused folks

 

[SlimySnake]

Nah, it sucks big time on PC as well. Terrible performance and stuttery mess at 4K with the most basic ray tracing there is. How could they add ray tracing without any upscaling I'll never know.

They are Japanese. Japanese devs have an aversion to common sense.

 

[GymWolf]

They are Japanese. Japanese devs have an aversion to common sense.

Are you talking about the saviours of modern gaming by any chance?

 

[Bitstream]

Anyone have any more footage or a release date for Samson?!

Might be the most visually impressive open world GTA-esque game we get this year

 

[CowboyLou]

We need a ray tracing hall of shame for shitty implementations like Elden Ring. That kind of thing sets the cause back years. I would also like to nominate Space Marine 2.

 

[Jack Howitzer]

Gonna add far cry 6 and forza motorsport to the list, even rtgi can't save fm8's sorry sights lol

 

[PeteBull]

matrix runs at 1080p 30 fps which was their target for hardware lumen. it actually goes above that at times. its dynamic just like the PS5 UE5 demo which was 1440p 30 fps most of the time but did fluctuate according to Epic themselves.

Matrix targets 30fps yes, just misses the target constantly, and about resolution, they use some smart reconstruction technique on top of black bars, so its far from native 1080p30 there:

So 2 examples output res are: 2560x1055 at 24fps, and 2880x1200 at 30fps, just internal res before tsr is still 1/3rd of that( u can see crazy flicker as a sideeffect)

Lets not lie to ourselfs base ps5 is anything special in 2026, hell even ps5pr0 isnt that strong either, ofc smart and techsavy devs can make beatiful games on it but there are always serious caviots, 1440p30 stable had 0 caviots
Thats base ps5 gpu, roughly 2070s tier, thats not even modern midrange gaming pc grade, 5% stronger from old trusty lowend rtx 3060 which launched back in feb 2021 with 330$ msrp (ofc it was middle of cryptoboom so actual streetprice was nothing close to that)

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Specs

AMD Navi 22, 2450 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 160 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[SlimySnake]

My favorite thing about the whole Elden Ring fiasco on consoles is that they do use dynamic resolution in the framerate mode, but limit the lower bounds to 1512p instead of 1440p. You could get back 10% more performance if they had gone to 1440p like the demon souls remake which looks perfectly fine on the PS5. That wouldve allowed them to hit 60 fps far more consistently instead of sitting in the mid to low 50s the entire time. Oh and their upper bound is native 4k. As if the game would ever even come close to running at native 4k 60 fps when it routinely drops to low to mid 50s at 1512p. There is zero need for dynamic resolution in that game. just set it to 1440p and call it a day.

They are so fucking stupid lmao.

 

[SlimySnake]

Anyone have any more footage or a release date for Samson?!

Might be the most visually impressive open world GTA-esque game we get this year

i check their steam page regularly. thats where they post new gifs and dev info. they dont seem to have a high enough budget to market the game to other websites. its also only releasing on PC at first so clearly they are very limited in their budget. apparently the game was set to have a huge base building and MP component that they cancelled when they laid off half the team last year.

 

[SlimySnake]

Matrix targets 30fps yes, just misses the target constantly, and about resolution, they use some smart reconstruction technique on top of black bars, so its far from native 1080p30 there:

So 2 examples output res are: 2560x1055 at 24fps, and 2880x1200 at 30fps, just internal res before tsr is still 1/3rd of that( u can see crazy flicker as a sideeffect)

Lets not lie to ourselfs base ps5 is anything special in 2026, hell even ps5pr0 isnt that strong either, ofc smart and techsavy devs can make beatiful games on it but there are always serious caviots, 1440p30 stable had 0 caviots
Thats base ps5 gpu, roughly 2070s tier, thats not even modern midrange gaming pc grade, 5% stronger from old trusty lowend rtx 3060 which launched back in feb 2021 with 330$ msrp (ofc it was middle of cryptoboom so actual streetprice was nothing close to that)

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Specs

AMD Navi 22, 2450 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 160 bit

www.techpowerup.com

no no. DF cant really pixel count gameplay shots, they can only pixel count when the cutscenes switch and the next frame shows edges that they can count. The black bars are not present during normal gameplay which is 1080p reconstructed to 4k using TSR. Even that count they got from looking at the TSR on/off comparison before the demo began. I have played a lot of 1080p games on my oled and they do not look like this. It was surprisingly clean for a game reconstructed from a 1080p base resolution.

if you look at the DF coverage of virtually every single UE5 game, you will see that they run at 1440p with dynamic resolution dropping to 1296p at times. Thats what the PS5 UE5 demo was running at. Anvil, Snowdrop and Northlight games all run at the same 1440p resolution with some drops to 1296p.

 

[Alex11]

But you can get 60fps easily, on consoles it's not possible. And I didn't saw any stuttering on PC without RT.

Engine is terrible overall, but at least you can control how i behaves on PC (consoles have auto settings that scale with load but NEVER targets locked 60fps).

Yeah, I'm not making excuses for console, I'm on PC.
I was saying stuttering with RT enabled.

They are Japanese. Japanese devs have an aversion to common sense.

Yeah, I think so, man, but such basic things that a modder can make, at this point it's intentional.

Fuck me, I dread when I think about FF7 Remake part 3.

 

[SlimySnake]

Yeah, I'm not making excuses for console, I'm on PC.
I was saying stuttering with RT enabled.

Yeah, I think so, man, but such basic things that a modder can make, at this point it's intentional.

Fuck me, I dread when I think about FF7 Remake part 3.

well the decision to stick with UE4 shows that it is an intentional choice, they are just intentionally stupid. UE4 simply cannot handle the game's scale. They are trying to push these really detailed hub worlds with lots of different objects but the engine simply cant handle it at ps4 level graphics quality. Forcing them to downgrade assets to ps3 quality just to be able to run it. They saw that it didnt work in Rebirth, and decided to stick with it for the next game which lets face it, will have a long 3-4 year dev cycle anyway.

it's stubborness. it's laziness. it's definitely intentional. people use to upgrade their own engines back in the ps3 days, and yes it took them a year, but they did it because well, it was a new game that they charge full price for. nowadays, they are like nah, too much work. p.s i was watching a Sucker Punch documentary on how they wasted 2 years just prototyping their next game because the engine had to be rebuilt for the ps3.

the airship in the third game will break the game's visuals even more. The LOD management that will be required to render everything out in the distance couldve been easily solved by nanite. Now they will have to micromanage it themselves. Not to mention the vram requirements are going to be much higher as well. in the end, all this vram and LOD management, and baking in lighting is only going to be more work for their designers.

 

[CowboyLou]

well the decision to stick with UE4 shows that it is an intentional choice, they are just intentionally stupid. UE4 simply cannot handle the game's scale. They are trying to push these really detailed hub worlds with lots of different objects but the engine simply cant handle it at ps4 level graphics quality. Forcing them to downgrade assets to ps3 quality just to be able to run it. They saw that it didnt work in Rebirth, and decided to stick with it for the next game which lets face it, will have a long 3-4 year dev cycle anyway.

it's stubborness. it's laziness. it's definitely intentional. people use to upgrade their own engines back in the ps3 days, and yes it took them a year, but they did it because well, it was a new game that they charge full price for. nowadays, they are like nah, too much work. p.s i was watching a Sucker Punch documentary on how they wasted 2 years just prototyping their next game because the engine had to be rebuilt for the ps3.

the airship in the third game will break the game's visuals even more. The LOD management that will be required to render everything out in the distance couldve been easily solved by nanite. Now they will have to micromanage it themselves. Not to mention the vram requirements are going to be much higher as well. in the end, all this vram and LOD management, and baking in lighting is only going to be more work for their designers.

Reminds me a little of Jedi Survivor. Obviously a more consistently great-looking game than Rebirth, but you could just feel the engine falling apart at the seams.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Dof and blur are the first thing i turn off in every game.

Add Vignette and Chromatic aberration too

Sometimes Vignette is not even a setting, pisses me off. Have to mod it out.