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[Kokoloko85]

They could eat a lot of the costs. I expect this will be still cheaper than the PS5 Pro.

Also, costs aren't coming down any decade soon. A delay wouldn't help anything price wise, ability to obtain stock will be more of an issue for anyone.

Yeah I think it will be the standard ps5 price and have optional disc drive to keep costs down. I dont think they will sell at 699 but with global issues, and everything going up maybe they will force it to be the norm for gaming. Hope not

 

[StereoVsn]

It will not be 3-4 times more expensive
Impact from memory/nand would be 200$ max, or at expected price 33% increase
Enthusiasts will buy it anyway, especially given that alternatives will be more/much more expensive as well - "high tide lifts all boat" (and no, cloud will not save anybody as it'll be proportionally more expensive as well, even more so as datacenter infrastructure will have price competition as well)

It's not just RAM/NAND but also getting space from TSMC. Even Apple has been pushed to the back by Nvidia. AMD and Sony aren't anywhere near the top of the ladder with TSMC.

Now, Sony will probably use a mature node like N3P or whatever is most cost efficient, but still wafer space will be at a premium for the next couple of years.

It's certainly going to be interesting to see what Sony is going to do but since they are launching a mass market console, they can't charge crazy prices and at the same time they aren't going to support hundreds of $ per console in subsidies like during PS3 early days.

 

[damidu]

The market will continue to grow, and PC handhelds will continue to improve. Vita exclusives also existed. Something that won't be the case if Sony continues to bring their games to PC.

I'd expect a PlayStation branded handheld to outsell anything from Valve, but to say there'd be no competition and sales attenuation from Deck 2…that's just wrong.

get out of pcmrn bubble, pc handhelds are niche ass niche market. whole of it on track to be outsold by a streaming accessory called portal.
deck2 is not a threat to anyone, (if its ever released that is)

 

[Felessan]

It's certainly going to be interesting to see what Sony is going to do but since they are launching a mass market console, they can't charge crazy prices and at the same time they aren't going to support hundreds of $ per console in subsidies like during PS3 early days.

You are looking at things way too simplistic.
Why is that they can't charge high?
They will still be THE most affordable **70 class hardware even if they charge more.
This market itself will shrink some due to elasticity, but Sony will not lose their share in this market, most probably they will gain more instead. Which, in turn, will help them when component prices normalize.

It's same as in general inflation - when everyone raises price - you can do it too without several negative impact on business as all customers alternatives are in the same situation.

 

[Xion_Stellar]

It's not just RAM/NAND but also getting space from TSMC. Even Apple has been pushed to the back by Nvidia. AMD and Sony aren't anywhere near the top of the ladder with TSMC.

Now, Sony will probably use a mature node like N3P or whatever is most cost efficient, but still wafer space will be at a premium for the next couple of years.

It's certainly going to be interesting to see what Sony is going to do but since they are launching a mass market console, they can't charge crazy prices and at the same time they aren't going to support hundreds of $ per console in subsidies like during PS3 early days.

It's not just the price that has become a problem insiders have leaked that AMD is skipping RDNA 4 and they intent to keep RDNA 3.5 in their APUs until 2029! So whatever APU they end up using for this Sony device is still going to be RDNA 3.5

 

[StereoVsn]

You are looking at things way too simplistic.
Why is that they can't charge high?
They will still be THE most affordable **70 class hardware even if they charge more.
This market itself will shrink some due to elasticity, but Sony will not lose their share in this market, most probably they will gain more instead. Which, in turn, will help them when component prices normalize.

It's same as in general inflation - when everyone raises price - you can do it too without several negative impact on business as all customers alternatives are in the same situation.

People will just stay on PS5 and Sony will be shrinking the market. Economy is shit (outside data centers and financial chicanery).

It doesn't make sense for them to launch with say $800+ console. Not if they plan to sell 100 mil of them eventually. This is why they have the Pro console for higher margin and mid generation bump.

I think Sony will push back PS6 launch to either late 2028 as some new memory factories are coming online by then and hopefully data center AI gold rush will settle down.

That said, who knows, maybe Sony goes nuts and charges $900 for PS6 and tells people to get 2 jobs.

 

[Felessan]

People will just stay on PS5 and Sony will be shrinking the market. Economy is shit (outside data centers and financial chicanery).

Some will buy it even 1000$, myself included, there are some people who are not that much money sensitive and wants a new tech

It doesn't make sense for them to launch with say $800+ console. Not if they plan to sell 100 mil of them eventually. This is why they have the Pro console for higher margin and mid generation bump.

It doesn't make sense to delay ~the same~ hardware when they sell it to enthusiasts first and then drop price and sell for the rest
It still will be a higher sales than to release the same hardware year later at the same "post-pricedrop" level.
Waiting is just leaving early adoption on the table, everything else will be the same after 1 year delay

I think Sony will push back PS6 launch to either late 2028 as some new memory factories are coming online by then and hopefully data center AI gold rush will settle down.

And we will get 1year outdated hardware just for the sake of not releasing it at high price? Why not wait Nintendo style 5 years until it can be sold for 300$ instead of 500$?

That said, who knows, maybe Sony goes nuts and charges $900 for PS6 and tells people to get 2 jobs.

If memory crisis persists - I would like it to be 800$ in 2027 and price dropped to 600$ in 2028 instead of launching 600$ in 2028

 

[Shogmaster]

People will just stay on PS5 and Sony will be shrinking the market. Economy is shit (outside data centers and financial chicanery).

It doesn't make sense for them to launch with say $800+ console. Not if they plan to sell 100 mil of them eventually. This is why they have the Pro console for higher margin and mid generation bump.

I think Sony will push back PS6 launch to either late 2028 as some new memory factories are coming online by then and hopefully data center AI gold rush will settle down.

That said, who knows, maybe Sony goes nuts and charges $900 for PS6 and tells people to get 2 jobs.

Orion is only 280mm² with only 160 bit bus so.... Sony is aiming for OG PS5-ish price point, which you could inflate to $600 ish for 2027.

 

[vkbest]

Still personally think Sony won't even release a handheld if the AI hardware crisis massively inflates price. Which sucks because I'd be there day one if it happens.

Sony handheld is the product they are going to market to younger people who don't play in their TV, the segment Sony is fearing today. So I would bet the handheld is currently higher priority for Sony than desktop PS6.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Sony handheld is the product they are going to market to younger people who don't play in their TV, the segment Sony is fearing today. So I would bet the handheld is currently higher priority for Sony than desktop PS6.

I'm not even a Sony fanboy and I know this is a nonsense take. PC gaming is a bigger threat to Sony than handheld gaming is.

 

[LordOcidax]

I hope is true. Can't wait to play GT on the go.

 

[LakeOf9]

Like 5 games total support the PS5 low power mode, enjoy using that as the basis for the handheld's dev support I guess

 

[adamsapple]

Nostrodrunkus

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Shogmaster]

He takes over my body when I hit the sauce.

 

[Shogmaster]

Like 5 games total support the PS5 low power mode, enjoy using that as the basis for the handheld's dev support I guess

TELL US WAT U KNOW *whips out rusty spork*

 

[HRK69]

Wheres your source that it will be delayed? Because none of them are credible

Moore's law said, they might decide delaying it to early 2028. Nothing more has been decided.




Unless there is a global event like a covid, or things get worse with Ram, there is no reason for a 2-3 year delay like some people want.

Also funny no1 is asking for Xbox's next rumour console to be delayed, even though they can barely sell consoles now days

I love that you still can't just admit: I made it up

Stop trying to convince me. You have zero clue if, when, or why it'll be delayed.

 

[Bondo]

For this to be successful imo- it also needs its own games. If its just PS5 games and ports etc, then you might aswell stay on the Portal no?
I dunno, i love the PS ecosystem and owned just about everything but support outside of their main console has always been an issue. I most likely get whatever it is, day one- but i hope they can create PSHH specific games and maintain that support.

 

[Deerock71]

 

[Jinzo Prime]

I think separating the handheld and the console was always an option on the table, but will the benefits of doing so outweigh the cost? What a tricky thing to get right.

 

[StereoVsn]

Orion is only 280mm² with only 160 bit bus so.... Sony is aiming for OG PS5-ish price point, which you could inflate to $600 ish for 2027.

I guess we shall see. I have some doubts they can hit $600 price point in 2027 with the crazy RAM and NAND price increases and higher cost for wafers.

If they can though I can see it being quite successful.

 

[StereoVsn]

Some will buy it even 1000$, myself included, there are some people who are not that much money sensitive and wants a new tech


It doesn't make sense to delay ~the same~ hardware when they sell it to enthusiasts first and then drop price and sell for the rest
It still will be a higher sales than to release the same hardware year later at the same "post-pricedrop" level.
Waiting is just leaving early adoption on the table, everything else will be the same after 1 year delay


And we will get 1year outdated hardware just for the sake of not releasing it at high price? Why not wait Nintendo style 5 years until it can be sold for 300$ instead of 500$?


If memory crisis persists - I would like it to be 800$ in 2027 and price dropped to 600$ in 2028 instead of launching 600$ in 2028

I guess we will know in a year or so. Either way it will be interesting to see which direction Sony will go.

 

[paolo11]

As everyone knows by now, PS6 is rumored to be delayed from 2027 to 2028. I have already predicted that XBox Magnus will launch in 2027 as planned, along with other Zen 6/RDNA 5 e g. Madusa Halo APUs. Now I will add one other Z6/R5 APU device to 2027 launch: Playstation 6 Handheld.

Some relative points:

- Sony has been demanding a "Low Power" version of PS5 software from devs for about a year now. Its already part of the SDK. The target is 15W, which happens to be PSHH total TBP.

- PS6HH's Canis is far less complex monolithic APU than PS6's Orion. Acceptable yields should be easier to reach, in time for 2027 launch.

- Launching both PS6 and PS6HH in the same year was always a daunting challenge. By delaying PS6 launch, PS6HH would be given more proper launch efforts.

- Sony wants to tackle Switch 2 before it gets insurmountable marketshare.

- Yer mama's fat.

Personally, PS6 Hsndheld seems like a poor code name, as it's more of a PS5 handheld. Porting down PS6 software to it will get really ugly: with over 3.3x CUs @ 2x clockspeed, 2X CPU cores, and lordy know how much more RAM, porting PS6 spftware down will make Series X to S software problems look like a scooter ride through the park.

So waiting to launch this handheld seems problematic for its success. It needs to tackle Switch 2 ASAP. Thus, launching in 2027.

Nostrodrunkus has spoken.

Questions ;

A) is the ps6 handheld as powerful as the Strix Halo 395 AI max? Whats the power?

B) will it play purchased ps4/ps5 digital games from your library? What is the compatibility?

C) 1080p screen LCD? oLED?

D) any physical media like the Vita cartridge?

 

[Faltherion]

PS6 and next Xbox both really need a delay badly with what's happening right now in the tech market.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I love that you still can't just admit: I made it up

Stop trying to convince me. You have zero clue if, when, or why it'll be delayed.

Admit what lol. I never said I made it up, its what Mlid said and I agree with him over the other rumours atm.
Whether you choose to listen to rumours by random people or him is up to you. Its just a little bit more credible atm that the others. But you be convinced by who you want. Nothing is concrete, Im only going by the most reliable rumour. I cant predict global crisis events, so until then a year delay at most reasonable.



But ok…I made up what he says at 26mins - 29mins. Where he clearly says nothing has been decided yet, contracts with TSMC and what he think about delays from 2027 to early 2028.

But because you think its me convincing you, Im actually the source that told him to say it. Infact Im kaz's cousin

 

[Shogmaster]

Questions ;

A) is the ps6 handheld as powerful as the Strix Halo 395 AI max? Whats the power?

B) will it play purchased ps4/ps5 digital games from your library? What is the compatibility?

C) 1080p screen LCD? oLED?

D) any physical media like the Vita cartridge?

A) its no where near any Strix Halo in raster but might be close in RT. 16 CUs at max 2GHz docked is the rumor. Weakest Strix Halo still has double the CUs (even if its only 3.5 vs 5) and clocks up to 2.8GHz.

B) I doubt Sony will let you play them for free. PS4 games might be, but them PS5 games need modified code ("Low power" versions) so they would make you pay for those in some way but prolly not a full double dip.

C) 1080p LCD most likely

D) uSD card suppprt along with m.2 SSD is most likely.