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[ScHlAuChi]

These are Gameplay, not video.

Wow, you are fooled easily!
I dont see any gameplay in any of those!

 

[HRK69]

Pretty underwhelming

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[bighugeguns]

Rockstar just shat themselves collectively.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Everybody ready for the Ready Player One future??

im ready for that

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Will you feel betrayed when the PS6 emerges from the inky depts of Sony and is a full bore next gen interactive AI streamer? The people will rejoice. Will you?

I'll just turn into a communist, seize the means of production and send you to the camp

 

[bighugeguns]

I'll just turn into a communist, seize the means of production and send you to the camp

I could use the weight loss, thank you, comrade.

Jokes aside, you're going to end up hating Sony, man, any of these corps will chase this shit like their lives depend on it.

 

[Germuso]

In the future with dev teams and better tools...but yes ai slop

 

[nemiroff]

Wow, you are fooled easily!

And there it is... it didn't take long before you couldn't hold it back. We're of course talking about the interactive part of the tech. You're just conveniently boiling it down to something that you can use to patronize people with. And that's not cool. Idk why you assume that you are smarter than everyone here.

They absolutely could subsidize it, they just don't want to.

EXACTLY.

Google could also spend all their money on building a 1:1 scale replica of the moon made entirely of aged Gouda... But they just don't want to. because it's a financial black hole.

 

[bighugeguns]

And that's exactly what most of us are saying in our own ways. You are applying things to people that no one has claimed. Idk why you assume that you are smarter than everyone here.


And there it is... it didn't take long before you couldn't hold it back. We're of course talking about the interactive part of the tech. You're just conveniently boiling it down to something that you can use to patronize people with. And that's not cool.


EXACTLY.

Bro this stuff is so incredible that people won't believe it, they literally won't believe it until they are in control of it. This is next gen shit.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I could use the weight loss, thank you, comrade.

Jokes aside, you're going to end up hating Sony, man, any of these corps will chase this shit like their lives depend on it.

I already hate them

Abusive relationships and all that. I can't stop

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

But why fleecing?

I'm in the industry and that shit is so very expensive it blows my mind.

Why should they subsidize? I think I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.

Yeah, I guess you just aren't understanding?

Fleecing as in the exploitation of the consumer market for offering beta features...

I'm in industry as well. It's expensive but as I mentioned this is Google not a startup.

Experimental features should just be limited and free until the final product is released.

 

[Bark]

These are Gameplay, not video.

Oh, yeah, R* has grounds to sue Google for that Greenland mod, since you can tell the animations are ripped out of GTA5.

 

[bighugeguns]

I already hate them

Abusive relationships and all that. I can't stop

I'd rather Sony spearhead this tech in their future platform than Google, PlayStation is the right fit for mind blowing shit.

I want to be blown apart like the first time I saw a PS1 run that Trex demo in a mall kiosk when I was little, I need that.

This is the only tech that gives us that kind of leap forward. The way is now clear.

 

[winjer]

Great, just what we needed, more AI slop.

 

[A.Romero]

Yeah, I guess you just aren't understanding?

Fleecing as in the exploitation of the consumer market for offering beta features...

I'm in industry as well. It's expensive but as I mentioned this is Google not a startup.

Experimental features should just be limited and free until the final product is released.

But why do you think they should be free even if they are limited?

Just because they have a war chest they should spend on it?

I'm sure they will when it makes sense to them but why now and how does that translate to exploiting consumers? It's not like they promised it or used bait and switch.

 

[A.Romero]

Oh, yeah, R* has grounds to sue Google for that Greenland mod, since you can tell the animations are ripped out of GTA5.

This is interesting. One more dimension around using data with copyright to train models controversy.

However, I think they are safe. Didn't the US government signed an executive order pretty much allowing using copyrighted data to not fall behind China?

 

[bighugeguns]

It's incredible to think that one of the biggest challenges will simply be to convince people that this is actually real. That this is happening right now.

 

[Fess]

You can literally make a drawing come to life, even if it's just for a walking simulator. Any environment that you can describe or see somewhere can be your playground.

The future is bright, how can some people not see it?

Because they aren't using it. They just see the consequences from the AI race.

I'm using Grok and Copilot for art and video. Giving life to my own art with Grok Imagine is super fun. Imagine can do 10s videos now, can be merged together into a longer video easily. And I use Copilot to build scenes for the videos and trying out new ideas for art.

Biggest limitation imo for all these AI services is that there is a paywall. The things you can do for free is extremely limited.
I get Copilot 365 as a bonus through some Office or Gamepass sub, so not thinking about the cost there. But SuperGrok is $40 a month, and that's just too much imo, I have a sub but as soon as I'm not using it I feel like I'm wasting money. And even when you pay there is still a limit in how much content you can create. They all have higher tier subs for even more money which unlocks more features and increase generation limits.

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

But why do you think they should be free even if they are limited?

Just because they have a war chest they should spend on it?

I'm sure they will when it makes sense to them but why now and how does that translate to exploiting consumers? It's not like they promised it or used bait and switch.

By locking it behind the AI ultra package they are extracting maximum cost with minimal added value. For someone who is just looking to try it, it makes little sense.

After all, what can one do with these worlds? Nothing....yet.

Google is taking advantage of the hype, while using our prompts and interactions to improve and train the models. Experimental features almost always come with looser user-data agreements.

 

[Bark]

This is interesting. One more dimension around using data with copyright to train models controversy.

However, I think they are safe. Didn't the US government signed an executive order pretty much allowing using copyrighted data to not fall behind China?

They are not, cause it costs a user over 100 bucks to make that slop, so Google profited by it and Take 2 is in their right to sue, much like any mod they don't like, or is used to be profited

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Because they aren't using it. They just see the consequences from the AI race.

I'm using Grok and Copilot for art and video. Giving life to my own art with Grok Imagine is super fun. Imagine can do 10s videos now, can be merged together into a longer video easily. And I use Copilot to build scenes for the videos and trying out new ideas for art.

Biggest limitation imo for all these AI services is that there is a paywall. The things you can do for free is extremely limited.
I get Copilot 365 as a bonus through some Office or Gamepass sub, so not thinking about the cost there. But SuperGrok is $40 a month, and that's just too much imo, I have a sub but as soon as I'm not using it I feel like I'm wasting money. And even when you pay there is still a limit in how much content you can create. They all have higher tier subs for even more money which unlocks more features and increase generation limits.

Are you actually arguing $40 per month is too much for creating short videos? Jesus fuck, this mentality…

 

[bighugeguns]

In the future with dev teams and better tools...but yes ai slop

That top one isn't slop, it's fucking straight up incredible.

I want them to make a Hitman game using that shit.

I wonder if devs could render that down to a normal compiled executable? So I can play it on a console locally?

 

[mdkirby]

Whilst very cool, and people are clearly commenting on its utility and eventual likely use for games. That's not entirely what it's for, for google. They will be using this for SIMA, as it allowed their agents endless worlds to explore and interact with, "play" is a very valuable avenue for machine intelligence and a moonshot to agi

 

[bighugeguns]

Whilst very cool, and people are clearly commenting on its utility and eventual likely use for games. That's not entirely what it's for, for google. They will be using this for SIMA, as it allowed their agents endless worlds to explore and interact with, "play" is a very valuable avenue for machine intelligence and a moonshot to agi

They better play ball or Sony will do a hostile takeover, don't screw with the video game industry, man.

 

[ScHlAuChi]

And there it is... it didn't take long before you couldn't hold it back. We're of course talking about the interactive part of the tech.

The interactive part is smoke and mirrors. It is no different from Dragons Lair, except that the outcome is generated in realtime.
Unlike a game engine that outcome is not consistent and not repeatable in the exact same way.

You're just conveniently boiling it down to something that you can use to patronize people with. And that's not cool. Idk why you assume that you are smarter than everyone here.

I dont have to be smarter than anyone when I understand how this technology works what it is, and what it is not!
And this is not a "game engine" and it does not work like one!

 

[MDSLKTR]

All I can think of is Ubisoft fake e3 trailers, must be what its trained on

 

[Fess]

Are you actually arguing $40 per month is too much for creating short videos? Jesus fuck, this mentality…

Yes because it takes several tries for each 10 seconds to get it right and I hit the daily generation limit all the time and the next tier is $400 per month…

 

[A.Romero]

They are not, cause it costs a user over 100 bucks to make that slop, so Google profited by it and Take 2 is in their right to sue, much like any mod they don't like, or is used to be profited

It's going to be interesting for sure. I don't think there are many cases like this that can be taken as a reference to know how will the law manage this.

Have we ever known of a case where a sue takes place due to character animations being stolen? Like replicated to the T? I can remember designs but not animations themselves.

 

[T4keD0wN]

These videos wont ever grow to result in any fun games, but i hope it grows to result in a few fun to follow copyright infringement lawsuits.

 

[viveks86]

All of these videos are extremely underwhelming. I think people are getting carried away by the graphics and basic af interactivity. It's a party trick that people will marvel at for a while and then get bored and move on. It's good for quick prototyping to convey ideas, but that's about it.

I'm generally positive on AI and the meaningful impact it can have on all aspects of life and work, but this isn't one of them

 

[bighugeguns]

It's going to be interesting for sure. I don't think there are many cases like this that can be taken as a reference to know how will the law manage this.

Have we ever known of a case where a sue takes place due to character animations being stolen? Like replicated to the T? I can remember designs but not animations themselves.

Why would you risk being blacklisted from using the tech by suing? That's corporate suicide. Everyone will want a piece of this action, the cost reduction is astronomical. This literally will change the way companies make video games.

You'd have to be a fucking nutcase to think lawyers and not adoption.

 

[Abysse]

That's crazy.

 

[Gonzito]

Where is the soul in all of this?

 

[bighugeguns]

Where is the soul in all of this?

When the tools are in the hands of the proper talent I bet we'll see some crazy good stuff.

 

[A.Romero]

Why would you risk being blacklisted from using the tech by suing? That's corporate suicide. Everyone will want a piece of this action, the cost reduction is astronomical. This literally will change the way companies make video games.

You'd have to be a fucking nutcase to think lawyers and not adoption.

Well, I know Google is at the lead right now but that doesn't mean other companies won't come out with similar solutions.

These kinds of innovations eventually become a commodity so it wouldn't necessarily mean suicide.

That said I agree that it would be stupid to lawyer up instead of adopt. We've seen many examples in recent history of companies trying to fight tech innovation to keep the status quo where they are leaders and just fail miserably.

 

[Germuso]

This is just Google, others companies are going to make their own tools Focus on games, films, porn....

A few years ago AI didn't make fingers correctly....now we are here.

These examples are just random people taking a picture.

 

[bighugeguns]

Well, I know Google is at the lead right now but that doesn't mean other companies won't come out with similar solutions.

These kinds of innovations eventually become a commodity so it wouldn't necessarily mean suicide.

That said I agree that it would be stupid to lawyer up instead of adopt. We've seen many examples in recent history of companies trying to fight tech innovation to keep the status quo where they are leaders and just fail miserably.

The imminent ability to cut a 10 year project down to 6 months overrides anything and everything. Priorities. There won't be lawyers, there will be begging.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

At some point if I can make my own WWII shooter saved on my harddrive like World at War with bots, MP modes and saved stats etc... just like a real shooter that would be amazing.

But right now, it's probably just pretty pics walking around(?). So not there yet. But give it time.

 

[mdkirby]

They better play ball or Sony will do a hostile takeover, don't screw with the video game industry, man.

Frankly id be terrified by making anything right now that has 'several years or more' as its release date, whether that is $200+ game, or even a PS6, we're currently speed running the singularity, the rate of change in the next few years will be mind boggling.

 

[bighugeguns]

Frankly id be terrified by making anything right now that has 'several years or more' as its release date, whether that is $200+ game, or even a PS6, we're currently speed running the singularity, the rate of change in the next few years will be mind boggling.

My mind is locked to all the gaming potential, anything beyond that is too much for me to think about and probably horrifying.

 

[nemiroff]

The interactive part is smoke and mirrors. It is no different from Dragons Lair, except that the outcome is generated in realtime.
Unlike a game engine that outcome is not consistent and not repeatable in the exact same way.

I dont have to be smarter than anyone when I understand how this technology works what it is, and what it is not!
And this is not a "game engine" and it does not work like one!

Again, you're arguing against points no one made. We all know this isn't geometry based and isn't ready for AAA game dev yet. And dismissing it as "smoke and mirrors" ignores the fact that all game development is an illusion. You don't need to keep explaining the basics to people who already get it.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

As long as they can't export it to any existing engine, it is just a tool for demonstrations rather than games.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Why is GTA6 taking so long then?

Or maybe it's GTA7 coming 2027 already.

 

[bighugeguns]

As long as they can't export it to any existing engine, it is just a tool for demonstrations rather than games.

I find it hard to believe the people creating actual science fiction shit won't be able to port this stuff to pre rendered dynamic engines.

You'll need a technical artist to cut out the boundaries for render etc.

I really look forward to what professional game devs does with this. The speed of development alone will be awesome.

 

[KiteGr]

 

[bighugeguns]

Rather expensive RAM and your favourite devs pump out bangers every 6-12 months than the current 5+ year dev cycle horror show.

Better games, faster made games, cheaper games.

We are growing older we will literally die off waiting for fucking games under the current system, fuck that.

 

[NormalGamer]

Oh cool a Google project that will quietly be mothballed after a year.

 

[nemiroff]

Yes because it takes several tries for each 10 seconds to get it right and I hit the daily generation limit all the time and the next tier is $400 per month…

The cost of generating it for you for free is too expensive for the company, and it's too expensive for you to buy. Both are correct.

New technology has always "targeted" the "rich enthusiasts" first, and AI processing is no different. This is a core principle of "Diffusion of Innovations", a theory that has been the standard for understanding technology for decades.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

99% hype, 1% substance.