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[KàIRóS]

So recently I realized that with the announcement of Another Eden Begins that would make it the fourth Gacha game I've personally played that's getting a "Reworked" version that no longer requires Gacha pulls, the other 3 games were Octopath Traveller 0, Mega Man X Dive and Metal Slug Attack, now thankfully for me I never spent any money on them, I was just basically trying them out and as soon as the predatory monetization came in I would simply abandon them.

But then that made me think "what about the people that DID spent money on the Gacha versions of those games?" like imagine all of you who play Genshin, Wuthering, ZZZ, Endfield, etc. wouldn't you be pissed that others might be able to fully experience these games in the near future with a single payment and yet you had to pay for characters and other stuff like a predatory early access?

I guess there's also a good side to this though in that these games could potentially just become lost media the moment they die after they are fully abandoned by players but these new versions are basically preserving them.

Any thoughts?

 

[uncreativename]

As someone who's spent money on Infinity Nikki, I'd just be happy to be able to keep playing the game, if it came to the point where the gacha version had to be shut down.

A gacha whale might feel differently, though.

 

[Joe Cool]

I am all for this. I want to try Genshin, Wuthering, and ZZZ but I am not about the gacha life.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I bought this for like $4 and its an absolute shitload of fanservice content

 

[Pejo]

I am all for this. I want to try Genshin, Wuthering, and ZZZ but I am not about the gacha life.

Not sure about your level of tech-savvy, but there's an option for Genshin if you want to put in the time to set it up:

GitHub - Grasscutters/Grasscutter: A server software reimplementation for a certain anime game.

A server software reimplementation for a certain anime game. - Grasscutters/Grasscutter

github.com

 

[Mr Hyde]

Suikoden Star Leap is the only one I'm curious about. Trailer makes the game look great but you know the gacha elements will ruin it. Hopefully Konami sorts it out when it releases on current gen platforms.

 

[Guilty_AI]

i would actually. I played genshin way back a year or so after its release and did generally like it, but the grind and monetization put me off from playing too far into the game.

 

[jshackles]

I'm not a big fan of gacha games, but I'm a huge fan of the reworked editions that have all that predatory shit removed.

 

[NanaMiku]

I'm always in if they're putting an offline version of dead games.

 

[uncreativename]

Mr Hyde I didn't even know they made a Suikoden gacha. I guess it's a good fit considering Suikoden (and Water Margin) are about collecting a whole bunch of characters together . It's a bit depressing, though. Make a new Suikoden single player game, Konami!

 

[Loomy]

But then that made me think "what about the people that DID spent money on the Gacha versions of those games?" like imagine all of you who play Genshin, Wuthering, ZZZ, Endfield, etc. wouldn't you be pissed that others might be able to fully experience these games in the near future with a single payment and yet you had to pay for characters and other stuff like a predatory early access?

As long as they're not taking away the things you spent money on, it shouldn't matter.

 

[dgproject]

I am definitely into this, I think all of those 4 games are not successful enough as gacha games, so I am thankful developers try to change it into non gacha rather than abandoning them completely. Hopefully those reworked versions sales are good so more developers will make this a standard practice.

Not sure if it's going to work with big names like genshin impact though, their contents are already massive I don't think it will fit into a single non gacha games; except if they try something like ff7 remakes trilogy.

Also square enix should make missing link non gacha rather than cancelled it.

 

[DarkShadowXI]

Octopath Traveler 0 handled this beautifully and should be the standard.

 

[Guilty_AI]

But then that made me think "what about the people that DID spent money on the Gacha versions of those games?" like imagine all of you who play Genshin, Wuthering, ZZZ, Endfield, etc. wouldn't you be pissed that others might be able to fully experience these games in the near future with a single payment and yet you had to pay for characters and other stuff like a predatory early access?

They spent tons of money simping for virtual girls through years, they can handle that level of cucking.

 

[yet_another_alt]

I like Another Eden so I'll play this one. Then again the most I've spent on it is a lot of time rerolling for a good starting lineup.

 

[NanaMiku]

I wish they did something with Dragalia Lost, but it's probably a license-hell game.
Published by Nintendo
Made by Cygames (with some Cygames stuff)
Used a lot of Daoko's songs
Nintendo put a lot of restrictions on Cygames (e.g., the monetization)

 

[Joe Cool]

Not sure about your level of tech-savvy, but there's an option for Genshin if you want to put in the time to set it up:

GitHub - Grasscutters/Grasscutter: A server software reimplementation for a certain anime game.

A server software reimplementation for a certain anime game. - Grasscutters/Grasscutter

github.com

I'm a console pleb and I just want to press the buttons in game lol

But thank you for the tech tip!

 

[Sakura]

I would be fine with it. As it is, when a game hits end of service, it is gone entirely, so if you had spent money then you lose it all anyway. With a gacha-less version you have potentially hundreds of hours of content, they could rework the story, reduce the grinding/remove stamina, etc. It could be pretty great, to be honest.
Also, I think there are ways to keep fans of the gacha version happy if they were really worried about it. For example the gacha-less version only has base characters and all the extra characters you would've gotten via gacha are DLC, but if you link the account you used for the gacha version you can get all the characters/cosmetics you had originally.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Mr Hyde I didn't even know they made a Suikoden gacha. I guess it's a good fit considering Suikoden (and Water Margin) are about collecting a whole bunch of characters together . It's a bit depressing, though. Make a new Suikoden single player game, Konami!

Yeah, I hope Konami has a new traditional Suikoden in the works. The collection they released last year sold pretty well so hopefully they catch the drift. If not we always have Eiyuden Chronicles, the spiritual successor, which is as close we're gonna get a new Suikoden. It's really good.

 

[Felessan]

Any thoughts?

I have no problem of preservation of dead games
And if gacha games considering switching to offline version - it's already on the verge of death and devs trying get any scraps they could off it.

The beauty of live service games is that it gets constant stream of content. When it stops - you essentially "finishes" game and there are no point to gloat over money spent. Likewise people usually not gloat over that they bought game full price some years prior just because you can get it for pennies after 5+ years.

 

[calico]

But then that made me think "what about the people that DID spent money on the Gacha versions of those games?" like imagine all of you who play Genshin, Wuthering, ZZZ, Endfield, etc. wouldn't you be pissed that others might be able to fully experience these games in the near future with a single payment and yet you had to pay for characters and other stuff like a predatory early access?

It was already predatory. If this makes them less inclined to spend money on those things in future, it's a win-win.

 

[KaiserCrab]

Waitwaitwait. Are they releasing a non-gacha version of Another Eden?! Because I friggin' love that game but I dropped it like a couple of years ago, because I couldn't keep up with the gazillion mechanics.

The beauty of live service games is that it gets constant stream of content.

I really enjoy this about gachas. It's like having an infinite game and the chance of living endless adventures with your favorite characters, but aaall of them reach a sweet spot before eventually turning into an overbloated mess of stuff. Some have interesting gameplay systems, like the rythm-based battles of One Piece Treasure Cruise, and I'd gladly pay for a "closed" version.

 

[STARSBarry]

I wish they did something with Dragalia Lost, but it's probably a license-hell game.
Published by Nintendo
Made by Cygames (with some Cygames stuff)
Used a lot of Daoko's songs
Nintendo put a lot of restrictions on Cygames (e.g., the monetization)

This is the series I really wish they would do something with, just making a version that is on the switch 2 and includes all the content the original version had (rebalanced to be none gatcha of course) seems like an easy win. The cost are negligible because an overwhelming majority of the content has already been made and translated.

It would also give Switch 2 users something to play online.