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Louis Theroux: Inside The Manosphere - a feature-length documentary, coming March 11th - Netflix
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DKehoe
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Theroux asking the guy about his audience potentially being a bunch of 15 year old boys and the guy reacting so strongly was interesting. I've wondered before if that's the case and these kind of people are just glorified kids entertainers. I'm sure there are some who do but I can't imagine there are too many grown men watching these people.
InterMusketeer
Member
Might be interesting. That community is weird, it'd be fun to see them rationalize their insane behavior. But I wonder if Theroux has done any documentaries on the many insane feminists...
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I think it unlikely that Theroux would risk his reputation by giving netflix control of the work, so you can dismiss that fear.
Personally, I expect a depressing and accurate piece.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
These guys have an ounce of the influence trans discord and reddit groomers have over "young men"
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Back in the day kids could be kids and enjoy childhood and their teenage years finding who they were in life, or just fucking about playing games and or guitar/whatever.
Now they have retards (these people) and trannies (the other people) attacking their brains.
Now they have retards (these people) and trannies (the other people) attacking their brains.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The word "manosphere" alone is a red flag. You know immediately that what comes after that is full retardation. Such thing only exists in the heads of cucks like these.
Toots
Member
Careful not to turn into Angry Mongoloid from cultural warfare overexposure.
Both side of this cripple fight are braindead morons, so if you take side you are too.
StueyDuck
Member
Yeah the word manosphere is already pretty one sided.
To me its all retarded, the incel shit and the femcel shit that essentially created the "manosphere".
But I doubt this is gonna raise the magnifying glass up to toxic shit women are doing thats creating these toxic retard young men.
So in other words all this documentary will do is fuel the flames rather than actually shine a light on real issues that need to be solved
Baemono
Member
You're not aware that, like fitness influencers, you have "real man" influencers to who(m?) you can pay money to learn how to be a real man ? They're aiming 15-25 YO, and somehow it works
Sybrix
Member
I never understood what was the problem. Dude been lifting and watching guys who lift and sell crappy protein shakes. Somehow that's the problem.
Baemono
Member
No there are worse guys than that, explaining how women are the worst and how you should treat them bad, terrible.
And then they want you to pay for more advices
No, it isn't.
In this context, it doesn't mean "any fitness dude lifting weights on YouTube", but the likes of Andrew Tate (and possibly these crazies of the framemogging facesmashmaxxing tera-chads drama).
Besides, haven't you seen any documents by Theroux? He shot thousands of them, on every possible subject - crime-ridden areas of Africa, the opioid epidemic in the US, rap industry, porn industry, religious sects (the infamous "God hates fags" Westboro church), Scientology, Jimmy Saville, Jewish settlers, transgender kids - you name it. He is very rarely judgemental and has this child-like naive way of asking questions, which I guess saved his ass in many dangerous situations.
Let's see how he does this time!
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Major Insano
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Can't stand Theroux, he's such a disingenuous cuck. If he's interviewing someone, it's because he believes they're an idiot who needs to be 'exposed'.
Pseudo intellectual
Pseudo intellectual
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Can't stand Theroux, he's such a disingenuous cuck. If he's interviewing someone, it's because he believes they're an idiot who needs to be 'exposed'.
Pseudo intellectual
How do you feel about his interviews with Chelsea Manning, Stormzy and Anthony Joshua?
Major Insano
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The same, though I haven't watched every interview he's done.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
He definitely doesn't present Stormzy for one as an idiot who needs to be exposed.
Major Insano
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He may not present him in that way, but he thinks of him as one. Exposure can be negative, positive or neutral.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Nah, it's clear Theroux was a fan of Stormzy and the interview is warm.
I think Theroux is a success because he has found interesting subjects to interview and topics to cover, and while he must have a personal point of view, I think he does a good job of presenting things as they are.
You may consider him a disingenuous cuck but I think his brand of interview which mostly allows people to respond to his questions without constraint doesn't appear to funnel them towards gotchas and point scoring.
Theroux is a good journalist, imo.
lifa-cobex
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The manospere thing really reminds me of the 80's business guy...
It doesn't really bother me as it just feels like another cycle of the same shit.
But with less coke i guess
It doesn't really bother me as it just feels like another cycle of the same shit.
But with less coke i guess
SirKicksalot
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The guys he interviewed are absolute cucks. When their gf/wife/employee/mother are involved, the cringe is radioactive. That one guy getting paranoid when Theroux leaves the room deserves to lose all subscribers after displaying such beta behaviour.
The guys in the tea shop were 100% paid by the steel guy.
Actually Sneako is not a cuck, he's gone full retard.
Loved this bit:
- My brother died, then I was homeless, cried myself to sleep for two years, and I don't believe in depression
- How did your brother die?
- Took his own life
The guys in the tea shop were 100% paid by the steel guy.
Actually Sneako is not a cuck, he's gone full retard.
Loved this bit:
- My brother died, then I was homeless, cried myself to sleep for two years, and I don't believe in depression
- How did your brother die?
- Took his own life
Trogdor1123
Member
I actually don't know what this is but I'm old. I also remember men knowing how to be men with out the internet telling them. But again, I'm old, what do I know.
KanKamAndNob
Member
Actual predators in wigs trying to radicalize kids to being like them. Sorry, not sorry, but I'd never trust my child (especially girls) around those fucking cretins. Thank fuck I don't have children.
KanKamAndNob
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Feel free to include "incel", "gooner", and "chud" as words that only double digit IQ imbeciles use unironically as an adult.
It wasn't one of the best documents by Theroux - mostly because we haven't learnt anything new. I mean, who would have thought that:
Also, that child-predator-hunting thing is pretty scary... they basically beat up random people!?
- these guys are total hypocrites (a virgin tradwife and kids at home, fucking OF models in club toilet)
- their drip is often rented
- investment schemes they are promoting will most probably lose you money
- they love conspiracy theories and are often antisemites (there was a scene when they were chanting "Fuck the Jews")
Also, that child-predator-hunting thing is pretty scary... they basically beat up random people!?
DKehoe
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I watched this the other day. It's nothing too revelatory but I guess it's maybe for an audience who are totally unfamiliar with this stuff.
These kinds of people attract the weak and insecure. There's a bunch of stuff about how you're a victim and other people have it easier than you. If your life is shitty it's not your fault, it's someone else's and that the world is out to get you. It's not surprising that these guys are also into anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
During the documentary you see a lot of kids come up and ask these guys for pictures. Like I was saying above I figured that a big portion of the fanbase of these guys is made up of kids. And so a good chunk of them will probably grow out of that kind of thing. But there was also those two guys who looked to be in their 20s and were still into that stuff. It was sad hearing one of them say how they don't think depression is a thing yet also mention that his brother had killed himself.
I wish he'd gone a bit more into the scams that these guys run. He does a little bit with the bullshit investment stuff but I'd have liked to have seen more about that.
Their controversial, provocative statements tend to draw most of the attention and spark outrage. But that shock value can also attract people, since they're saying what others won't. If the goal is to steer people away from them, it would be more effective to highlight that they're scammers peddling junk.
"Mummy, I don't want a juice bar" sums them up well.
These kinds of people attract the weak and insecure. There's a bunch of stuff about how you're a victim and other people have it easier than you. If your life is shitty it's not your fault, it's someone else's and that the world is out to get you. It's not surprising that these guys are also into anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
During the documentary you see a lot of kids come up and ask these guys for pictures. Like I was saying above I figured that a big portion of the fanbase of these guys is made up of kids. And so a good chunk of them will probably grow out of that kind of thing. But there was also those two guys who looked to be in their 20s and were still into that stuff. It was sad hearing one of them say how they don't think depression is a thing yet also mention that his brother had killed himself.
I wish he'd gone a bit more into the scams that these guys run. He does a little bit with the bullshit investment stuff but I'd have liked to have seen more about that.
Their controversial, provocative statements tend to draw most of the attention and spark outrage. But that shock value can also attract people, since they're saying what others won't. If the goal is to steer people away from them, it would be more effective to highlight that they're scammers peddling junk.
"Mummy, I don't want a juice bar" sums them up well.
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Mr Reasonable
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Generally miserable viewing, I think Theroux did a decent job of showing the duality of these people - the message they put out while saying they didn't agree with it, but making money was all that was important, the attempts at putting out a strong image that melted when their girlfriend was in the room. Apparently being successful and having investing smarts that fall down immediately. Etc.
They mostly just seemed like unloved losers who found themselves in a situation that has spiralled out of control and there's nobody to put the brakes on.
They mostly just seemed like unloved losers who found themselves in a situation that has spiralled out of control and there's nobody to put the brakes on.
Major Insano
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You really think Louis is a fan of Stormzy and his music?
He glazes people who align with his dog whistle level, lefty propaganda and demonises people who he thinks are 'far-right' boogeymen. He just hasn't got the integrity to admit it and tries to portray an persona of objective journalism.(which has obviously fooled you)
He has an ignorant, surface level understanding of his subjects and doesn't addres the underlying issues or root causes.
'The Manosphere' is a prime example of this.
Edit: double quote
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jufonuk
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he has a way to just act clueless asks good questions and shuts up while those he interviews shoot them self In The foot.
He immediately acts harmless gormless. They open up. Think they have the edge and in camera. A lot of them come across as idiots exposure their true nature.
But yeah if he thinks it's bullshit. He would say as such just in a logical way.
I didn't catch the begins of the doc but watched the rest and he did it to that guy with his GF and she left the guy. That HS guy Louis got under his skin for someone who claimed he didn't care he went on a bit too much.
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Mr Reasonable
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Big hip-hop fan apparently, I think he does like Stormzy and his music. But even if he didn't, that's not important because I think his work with Stormzy gave a decent representation of the man, such is what you want.
I mostly think Louis asks questions and people answer them. I don't think he sets out to demonise or praise people, so much as present his subjects as they are.
I think he is an objective journalist (or he's fooled me, yes).
I don't think that he set out to cover every aspect of the manosphere in his 90 minute film. I wasn't familiar with the people who he spoke to, but I think he gave them opportunity to represent themselves, which they took.
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Kenneth Haight
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This bit had my jaw in the floor. As someone who has had family members and friends take their own life I find this alpha male bullshit so depressing. Everyone breaks one way or another, life is hard and if you don't express your feelings in a positive way you will struggle.
"I don't believe in depression", if someone said that to me I would say "lucky you", as it is a very real thing even when you seemingly have everything. Look at all these millionaire celebrities who seemingly have the perfect life, it can get anyone at any time you just need the perfect storm.
On the same hand we should not be pedalling pity parties for everyone either. I think there is an over-diagnosis of a lot of issues also but what do I know. People should just be kinder to one another, I hate all this live streaming bullshit with people walking around like the "Alpha" what even is this, some severe main character syndrome going on, but I guess that's what we have created when we have told every kid you can be famous and you can have your own "channel" on YouTube to show who you are. Social media really is crazy.
Angry_Megalodon
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I'm not taking any "side". I'm not the one calling out an alleged network of women and calling them names. Whoever uses words like "mansphere" or "mansplaining" as if they weren't made up shit is a retard. The first rule for not being a retard is not to speak as one.
People like this are just the other side of the coin of cryptobros and "alpha male dating coaches", which are also dumb as a brick.
Toots
Member
2 things :
I agree with you using certain inflammatory lexical fields are automatic retards. I'd also like to point out you used the word "cuck" which belong to a certain inflammatory lexical field.
There was two sentences in my post, did you read both ? If so, what is the point of the part of your post i bolded ?
Here is my second sentence so you don't have to go back : "Both side of this cripple fight are braindead morons, so if you take side you are too."
Werewolf Jones
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So has Louis Theroux done a documentary on Bonnie Blue or nah? I need equality it's 2026. Most of the manosphere dudes are bozos but come on now.
DKehoe
Member
The term manosphere was created by people within that scene. Theroux uses it a few times throughout the documentary and the subjects don't treat it as an insult. So I wouldn't say the presence of the term is in itself a red flag.
She does actually appear in this. He doesn't interview her but she's in it. He also draws a comparison between OnlyFans girls and these guys.
Was it the porn actress featured in "Manosphere"? Well, he should have. I think he did 3 documents on porn industry (one featured jobless straight male actor who turned to play in gay flicks and took his life later due to depression), another one on a legal spa-like brothel in US, one with a single lower class mom in UK working as a prostitute, and so on. But I agree, it would be nice to cover the likes of BelleDelphine and other Twich tub girls... the problem would be to get them to participate. Why would they want to?
Hari Seldon
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I have never heard of any of these people, but honestly this doc dragged on too long. Not his best.
Herbspiceguy
Member
I think it the root of the issue is boys growing up without a mother or an emotionally and physically distant mother. Is this subject touched at all?
Simply "Manosphere bad" feels a bit like cheap shot. I think it would help to understand the psychology and in general have more understanding instead of judgment towards each other, especially in the current zeitgeist of polarization.
Simply "Manosphere bad" feels a bit like cheap shot. I think it would help to understand the psychology and in general have more understanding instead of judgment towards each other, especially in the current zeitgeist of polarization.
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DKehoe
Member
Just looking there, he previously interviewed Belle Delphine on his podcast.
It's mentioned that a few of the guys grew up without their father around. Another grew up without their father and had a mother who seems to have had emotional issues.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yes, they absolutely talked about their Mothers for 2 of the people, and 1 even appeared in the documentary. It was hard to tell how much of that was BS because the Mom who appeared on film was allegedly against all of the nasty stuff her son goes on about online but then seemed to come on to defend him anyways. That's the other side of the coin, a mother who is way too forgiving of their children can do nearly as much damage as a distant one.
This is all pretty light weight because he's interviewing grifters who don't have much of a publicly documented history so he's at the whim of what they are willing to say to him. They also are prone to just cutting off the interviews or suddenly turning the interviews into live streams where he's getting ragged on.
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In general gender war content us designed to get people enraged. Its how they keep coming back. You can find a lot of manhating you tube and tik tok women who preach 4b and decentering men yet all seem to be married themselves.
Society is devolving into playground level boys and girls have cooties stuff.
Society is devolving into playground level boys and girls have cooties stuff.
