GOKUSSJ2
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Really exciting news
I'll watch the video when I'm back from work.
Anyway just started RE9 last night and it looks fantastic in ray raytracing mode on the Pro:
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It's Official: New PSSR Confirmed For Resident Evil Requiem + FSR 4/DLSS 4.5 Comparisons
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diffusionx
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this is pssr->pssr. It's a software algorithm.
I'd be surprised if every single pssr1 game wasn't tested at Sony HQ and they saw the improvement, which is why they have this toggle.
there might be problems, sure. When PS4 Pro came out, they had a toggle for boost mode but I don't think any game had problems really.
HitmanMaul
Neo Member
My main point is that the way (so far) that it's being talked about and advertised, it would make most people think all PS5 games on the Pro can and will take advantage of this new PSSR with this toggle. And that is clearly not true.
Sony in particular seems to have an inability to just be fully transparent about the Pro from the start. Marketing I'm sure but it still stinks.
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Topher
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You say what they are saying is "clearly not true". Based on what?
ShaiKhulud1989
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GHG
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Anyone who has tried framegen knows this. I also happen to feel the same about VRR sub 60fps.
Just get the game running at a stable 60fps and then we can talk about stuff like unlocking framerates, frame gen, etc.
cripterion
Member
Can't wait to try Rebirth and PoE 2 with this
Sethbacca
Member
I'm assuming that most of us that bought the Pro are the types of nerds that know whether a game is using PSSR, FSR or some other upscaler because we're also the types to inhabit boards like this. Almost nobody that owns a Pro is confused by them saying what they said. If it was using PSSR, it will be using better PSSR. That is it.
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HitmanMaul
Neo Member
Based on what the PS Blog says in text.
...and a little bit based on the semi-empty promise the Pro has been so far. Mark told us that the machine was designed to make the choice between Quality and Performance less of a big decision. Blur the line I believe he said and that is not how it worked out. There are numerous games with worse IQ and we have more options to toggle on and off\decide about than ever.
I know I'm in the minority but I game on console because it's easier. If I wanted to click\compare\toggle 1000 options, I'd get a PC.
Bojji
Gold Member
I wonder if AMD will bring it to RDNA2/3. It's the final form of that leaked int8 build.
Merging of PSSR and FSR is pretty much what I expected from the start. Now they will improve FP8 and int8 versions at the same time.
DeepEnigma
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HitmanMaul
Neo Member
That's fair. I am not one of those people. I just want the best graphics on console with minimal effort. And so far the Pro doesn't provide that overall. That's I'll leave the toggle off because I won't know if it's causing a problem or not. Rely on the patches for the games that get them and call it a day.
viveks86
Member
My point is that per game optimization will always be the way to get the maximum out of any software feature. The override available here is still a major plus as most games with PSSR and dynamic resolutions or good enough performance wouldn't need per game optimization. It's the whole point of the toggle and everyone understands it well. So no need to doubt other's reading comprehension. But given your responses to everyone trying to explain this to you, it seems you are just being contrarian. So like you said, don't use the toggle, and just wait for patches while the rest of us enjoy it.
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Topher
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Why don't you just quote what you think is not true. Not going to derail the thread into your opinion of the Pro prior to this.
Upgraded PSSR upscaler is coming to PS5 Pro
Resident Evil Requiem, launching today, is the first title to use this more advanced PSSR.
blog.playstation.com
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Pretty sure they won't unfortunately. Gotta have a selling point for new hardware.
HitmanMaul
Neo Member
It's just one toggle, bro. Just like their PS4 IQ improvement toggle.
A) it's not out yet, you don't know how it will work.
B) it clearly says that it can cause problems. Pro owners now have YET ANOTHER SETTING we may have to micromanage to get the best visuals out of our games. I seem to recall them saying the Pro was designed in part to not have to make settings\modes decisions.
From RE9 it's clearly working well but that game was optimized for it. If anyone really thinks we will get that level of a jump in older PSSR titles just by clicking a little button...
Thebonehead
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Markio128
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The Pro is definitely not for you if that's your stance.
Felessan
Member
Where exactly? You just want to see things.
I don't see anything about "all games" in official release. It clearly state that they can inject new version ~instead of old~ and that's all
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DeepEnigma
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Topher
Identifies as young
It says you can turn it off if problems do occur. AI is an imperfect technology. Even DLSS. Your recollections of the Pro marketing are incorrect. Cerny never said Pro would eliminate all options.
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DenchDeckard
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Incredible!
Kojima. Patch DS2 please homie. Thanks
Kojima. Patch DS2 please homie. Thanks
HitmanMaul
Neo Member
I don't know how to upload an image but I quote from the PS blog.
"We look forward to more news in March, when multiple existing games upgrade to the improved PSSR."
----- not sure how this is open to interpretation...
"...model to improve image quality in some supported games."
----again...seems to be pretty clear to me
"Turn this off if you experience unexpected behavior during gameplay."
----yea...
I'm basing my opinion based solely on what it says here. Not what DF or hope say.
"We look forward to more news in March, when multiple existing games upgrade to the improved PSSR."
----- not sure how this is open to interpretation...
"...model to improve image quality in some supported games."
----again...seems to be pretty clear to me
"Turn this off if you experience unexpected behavior during gameplay."
----yea...
I'm basing my opinion based solely on what it says here. Not what DF or hope say.
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Now, without discussion, PSSR is indeed an upgrade. It will be interesting to know and see if the new version has a more FPS cost for past PSSR games with the toogle. There will surely be many comparisons to find out if.
On another note, it seems that FSR 4 might also receive an update (leaked FSR4.1 or be expanded to support older int8 model AMD GPUs RDNA2/3??
On another note, it seems that FSR 4 might also receive an update (leaked FSR4.1 or be expanded to support older int8 model AMD GPUs RDNA2/3??
Jack Huynh from AMD seems to suggest that updated FSR might also be on the way on X:
Grateful for the shared vision with @cerny on Project Amethyst.
Through deep co-engineering between @PlayStation and @AMD, we're seeing that vision power the PlayStation 5 Pro, delivering higher resolution, higher frame rates, and beautiful visual fidelity for gamers.
With continued co-innovation, we're helping architect the next era of real-time graphics together.
And we're just getting started. Stay tuned for our next FSR update, bringing these advancements to more players worldwide.
Thank you @cerny and the entire Sony team for the trust, vision, and partnership!
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DeepEnigma
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See below. If anything, it would be via the mod scene, but not official.
Mithos
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Games on my PC that use DLSS.
(DLSS v2.3.5) / Horizon Zero Dawn: Complete Edition
(DLSS v3.5.10) / Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered
(DLSS v2.3.1) / Rise of the Tomb Raider
(DLSS v3.1.1) / the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
(DLSS v3.1.30) / Throne and Liberty
Only way I get any DLSS v4+ on any of these are by global or game specific override just like here so why the complaint when its the same on console?
(DLSS v2.3.5) / Horizon Zero Dawn: Complete Edition
(DLSS v3.5.10) / Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered
(DLSS v2.3.1) / Rise of the Tomb Raider
(DLSS v3.1.1) / the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
(DLSS v3.1.30) / Throne and Liberty
Only way I get any DLSS v4+ on any of these are by global or game specific override just like here so why the complaint when its the same on console?
Kojima used the Guerrilla tech (Pico)
Clear
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So basically 100% input compatible, but with either an implementation based, or system level toggle for switching the algorithm.
Better than expected, be interesting to see what other games come with it pre-enabled. Saros I'd guess is a lock, Nioh 3 may get it as part of the rolling patches ... not sure what else.
Better than expected, be interesting to see what other games come with it pre-enabled. Saros I'd guess is a lock, Nioh 3 may get it as part of the rolling patches ... not sure what else.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ohhh, you knowww.
Topher
Identifies as young
So what part is "clearly not true"?
MisterXDTV
Member
The amazing thing is that the algorithm might be the same of FSR 4.1
But PSSR is made specifically for a single device as it's proprietary...
But PSSR is made specifically for a single device as it's proprietary...
He is the example of people Sony use as reference to don't make things like this.
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When there's money involved, that's always what makes sense.
It's just that the " to more players worldwide" part is rather odd if it's still only for current RDNA4 users.
Bojji
Gold Member
No one sane is complaining about that.
This toggle in the menu is the best possible thing. And it is very "unconsole" like, that's why many people (including me) were very skeptical about that. I think DF suggested that to Cerny in 2024 but at the time he still wasn't 100% sure how it will be implemented.
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viveks86
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My understanding is 1.0 is heavier than FSR 4. So I'm hoping the cost would be less. Hopefully, a game like GOW Ragnarok would easily prove it as it drops frequently below 60 with 1.0 to the extent that I had to disable it.
Humdinger
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That's great news. Makes me much more satisfied with my Pro purchase.
I'm not a tech-savvy guy, so I have a question. Even though PSSR 2.0 is a "system-wide implementation," individual developers will still need to do some work to make sure it's implemented on their game, right? For instance, Crimson Desert or GTA 6 will not automatically be upscaled via PSSR 2.0 unless the developers "opt in" to PSSR 2.0 somehow, presumably by building in some code that enables it. Games are not automatically upscaled via PSSR 2.0 unless the developers do some work (although from what I gather, the level of work is now much less, because "per-game patches" are no longer needed).
Am I understanding that right? [edit: never mind, I get it now, more or less.]
I'm not a tech-savvy guy, so I have a question. Even though PSSR 2.0 is a "system-wide implementation," individual developers will still need to do some work to make sure it's implemented on their game, right? For instance, Crimson Desert or GTA 6 will not automatically be upscaled via PSSR 2.0 unless the developers "opt in" to PSSR 2.0 somehow, presumably by building in some code that enables it. Games are not automatically upscaled via PSSR 2.0 unless the developers do some work (although from what I gather, the level of work is now much less, because "per-game patches" are no longer needed).
Am I understanding that right? [edit: never mind, I get it now, more or less.]
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Bojji
Gold Member
Games will have to come with PSSR2. Old games will PSSR1 will get upgrade when you toggle system option to do that, similar to .dll swap for DLSS.
Xaeroxcore666
Member
HAHAHAHAHAHA Kid, please. You had to pay for an overpriced "pro" system without disc drive, and wait almost year and half for the first actual Pro game, and it can´t even make Path Tracing or FG. Don´t make me laugh, i´ll play it on my PC.
Also would be funny if Capcom release a patch for RT enabled on base PS5 and Series X at 30 fps....
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Senua
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The people complaining about more toggles can stick to PS5, it's that simple
Humdinger
Member
I guess I'm asking how much work is involved on the part of the developer to have that happen, for a game to "come with" PSSR 2.0? Is the process noticeably easier and more consistent now that there is a "systerm-wide implementation"? With the original PSSR, many developers did not choose to build it in (I guess because it took too much work?), and others implemented it poorly. Will the same thing happen with PSSR 2.0?
viveks86
Member
If you use the toggle and the game already supports 1.0, it will override it with 2.0. Now whatever performance benefits (or losses) comes from such an override will not be automatically adapted by the game, unless it is also using DRS, in which case it would result in better framerate (or worse base resolution). The reason devs would still need to be involved is to make sure that performance benefit/loss is properly compensated for and achieving the desired result. For example, if there is a performance benefit in swapping to 2.0, but the game was already hitting 60 fps with 1.0, the dev can choose to use that to improve IQ or LOD or effects further. Or if the IQ benefit is large enough, they can afford to reduce the base resolution further to get more performance etc... But by offering this toggle, the users can experiment with it and reap the benefits of a version swap even if the dev hasn't patched the game.
It's basically a best of both worlds, just like swapping dlls in the PC space, except it's a simple toggle.
The fact that a system wide override even works means not much work is needed at all. It's a matter of performance tuning now. Not re-architecting. Whatever inputs they give to DLSS or FSR should work out of the box.
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Xtib81
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Oh yeah, I love buying an unfinished product. Imagine having to wait 1.5 year to see the benefits lol especislly when next gen might be around the corner.
I'm happy it's finally added but c'mon, it's not like they have added frame gen or that we Can play with path tracing.
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DeepEnigma
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What a retarded comment.
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Topher
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I'll never understand this fear of options.
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