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[MMaRsu]

You as the paying customer have no interest in piracy, but you get hit with the "You wouldn't download a car video" when popping in that DVD

While the pirate he doesn't even have that part on his movie, in fact he can just start watching the movie.

As a paying customer who has no interest in piracy, you get hit with the shitty Denuvo DRM that impacts your ability to play the game in various ways

And the pirates don't have that

SO WHAT THE FUCK IS THE GODDAMN POINT

 

[RoboFu]

Well that's because we as a society as a whole are not upstanding people. We are a bunch of selfish whiny cunts.

 

[RCX]

True. From one POV at least Denuvo works in a lot of cases. Games that have it often arent pirated for some time after launch (less true recently though AFAIK).

The other DRMs are even more pointless. They are almost always cracked on day zero and have the equivalent security of adding a label on the page that says "please dont pirate this"

 

[Portugeezer]

Obviously as a paying customer it is annoying.

I just wonder if any potential loss in sales due to customers being anti-drm is more than the lost in sales from opportunistic customers who would pirate the game of it didn't have DRM. And unfortunately I'd say there are many people who would get the game for free if they could.

The pirates will have problems... until it gets cracked. Then the cycle of patching out Denuvo begins.

 

[Laptop1991]

They use it thinking it will make them more money but it's just another reason to wait like high release prices that infact achieves the opposite of what they are trying to do, i would rather wait now myself as it does put me off day 1 purchasing and they remove the drm eventually on a lot of games anyway.

 

[struggler_guts]

Idk, but everyone I knew and their mother said they would totally pirate a car if they could

 

[Griffon]

I would like to empathize, but honestly Denuvo never caused me any issues nor harm.

Enigma tho, now that's real trash.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Yeah it's trash but I agree with Griffon , I don't think I've ever had any issues because of it.

Stuff like what EDF6 did with the Epic Games account is way worse imo. Also this reminds me of that period in PC gaming where games came with a limited number of installations. Hopefully this shitty fad goes away just like that one.

 

[poodaddy]

I'll parrot this shit in every thread I can in which it's relevant.

Support GoG folks. No DRM is a game changer, plus you truly own your games. Plus, if you love using Steam, you can always just add them as non steam games to steam and still get steam controller support, (far better than GoG's admittedly, it'd be nice if they did something like that too), and whatever other Steam features you like, but you can also do whatever you want with those files, as they're actually yours. That shouldn't be a novel concept, but it certainly is in 2026.

 

[Hudo]

Both Gabe Newell and that asshole Steve Jobs had the right idea: piracy is a service issue.

Putting DRM stuff in your software to prevent it is only treating the symptoms, not the cause. And ironically, most game devs (and entertainment producers at large) are the cause. Look at Netflix. Back when streaming movies wasn't the shit show that it is today and Netflix was cheap, piracy went down. It was just easier to pay $5 and watch some series or movies wherever and whenever you liked with a somewhat good image quality. Piracy has gone up nowadays because Netflix et al. have decided to provide shitty service for quite a lot of money. Same issue with games. Games are really expensive and aren't even guaranteed to be finished or even work properly. Couple that with shitty account gating that many games impose nowadays as well as a decrease in game quality, and you'll end up with a pretty shit service that game devs provide to their customers. And their response is to be even more aggressive in their monetization and deploying more aggressive DRM (kernel-level bullshit, which is essentially the same as dangerous malware).

 

[Ceallach]

I think its always the lost sales fallacy. The majority of pirated copies aren't lost sales because these are largely people who don't buy games anyways. Cyberpunk as an example was heavily pirated on release because it had a DRM-free GOG version on Day 1, but that didn't stop it from selling like gangbusters. The people who were going to buy the game did, the ones who weren't didn't.

Personally, I love the pirates, I have grabbed fitgirl repacks for games I own just to have DRM free installers available for when I wanna play some of the games I own without needing to be online(work can me from having normal internet access for months at a time).

 

[LordCBH]

You wouldn't download a car

"Fuck you I would if I could" is what I thought every time I saw that video.

 

[poodaddy]

Both Gabe Newell and that asshole Steve Jobs had the right idea: piracy is a service issue.

Putting DRM stuff in your software to prevent it is only treating the symptoms, not the cause. And ironically, most game devs (and entertainment producers at large) are the cause. Look at Netflix. Back when streaming movies wasn't the shit show that it is today and Netflix was cheap, piracy went down. It was just easier to pay $5 and watch some series or movies wherever and whenever you liked with a somewhat good image quality. Piracy has gone up nowadays because Netflix et al. have decided to provide shitty service for quite a lot of money. Same issue with games. Games are really expensive and aren't even guaranteed to be finished or even work properly. Couple that with shitty account gating that many games impose nowadays as well as a decrease in game quality, and you'll end up with a pretty shit service that game devs provide to their customers. And their response is to be even more aggressive in their monetization and deploying more aggressive DRM (kernel-level bullshit, which is essentially the same as dangerous malware).

 

[Rubik8]

Well that's because we as a society as a whole are not upstanding people. We are a bunch of selfish whiny cunts.

Don't forget greedy and opportunistic.

 

[Topher]

I would like to empathize, but honestly Denuvo never caused me any issues nor harm.

Enigma tho, now that's real trash.

Yeah it's trash but I agree with Griffon , I don't think I've ever had any issues because of it.

Stuff like what EDF6 did with the Epic Games account is way worse imo. Also this reminds me of that period in PC gaming where games came with a limited number of installations. Hopefully this shitty fad goes away just like that one.

Same here. I hear about Denovo being so horrible but never experience it myself.

I'll parrot this shit in every thread I can in which it's relevant.

Support GoG folks. No DRM is a game changer, plus you truly own your games. Plus, if you love using Steam, you can always just add them as non steam games to steam and still get steam controller support, (far better than GoG's admittedly, it'd be nice if they did something like that too), and whatever other Steam features you like, but you can also do whatever you want with those files, as they're actually yours. That shouldn't be a novel concept, but it certainly is in 2026.

Too many publishers avoid GoG because of the no-DRM expectation. Lack of games make GoG an afterthought.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

SO WHAT THE FUCK IS THE GODDAMN POINT

Because if you don't put the DRM in and people pirate en masse you John the exec will be blamed and lose your job. So you go with the flow.

 

[Signalis]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

 

[KyoZz]

I'm tempted to cancel my preorder of Crimson Desert and just use a offline activator.

FFS.

I would like to empathize, but honestly Denuvo never caused me any issues nor harm.

Enigma tho, now that's real trash.

Same here. I hear about Denovo being so horrible but never experience it myself.

A few things to know:

1) Denuvo is making call and stress the CPU more so IT HAS an impact on performance. You can't add stuff running in background and expect performance to stay the same.
2) "But this cracked version is running the same as the legit one with Denuvo!". Yes, that's because Denuvo is NOT cracked but bypassed. The calls made by the DRM are still present, so performance remains essentially the same.
3) Just by principle, you should be against these DRM.

 

[Lorianus]

They are afraid to the bone, now that games are 80+ (wouldnt even be surprised if we see 90/100 in the next 5 years) they continually are pricing out parts of their consumerbase and essentialy push them into piracy, enter the complete overreaction with this anti consumer bullshit that's denuvo.

 

[willothedog]

On PC, does a publisher lose more money from grey market keys being sold or people pirating games?

 

[MMaRsu]

Because if you don't put the DRM in and people pirate en masse you John the exec will be blamed and lose your job. So you go with the flow.

Wrong.

See Baldurs Gate 3 and Witcher 3. Zero DRM, millions of sales

 

[Wildebeest]

On PC, does a publisher lose more money from grey market keys being sold or people pirating games?

They don't lose money from either. See how the devs of Highguard blamed everyone but themselves for their game not being a hit? Its like that.

 

[Topher]

I'm tempted to cancel my preorder of Crimson Desert and just use a offline activator.

FFS.



A few things to know:

1) Denuvo is making call and stress the CPU more so IT HAS an impact on performance. You can't add stuff running in background and expect performance to stay the same.
2) "But this cracked version is running the same as the legit one with Denuvo!". Yes, that's because Denuvo is NOT cracked but bypassed. The calls made by the DRM are still present, so performance remains essentially the same.
3) Just by principle, you should be against these DRM.

In principle, sure. Not sure who would be in favor of DRM. It's just something I've learned to ignore because I can't do anything about it.

 

[DryvBy]

Chappelle made a great parody of this commercial where the police bust in and shoot a kid and a dog over him downloading an MP3.

 

[KyoZz]

In principle, sure. Not sure who would be in favor of DRM. It's just something I've learned to ignore because I can't do anything about it.

I understand and I also buy games with Denuvo wen I really want them. It's just that the "I don't see any problem so I have no issue with it" is a big part of the enshitification and is honestly tiring to read.
Denuvo is a fucking parasite that clings to the work of others in order to exist.

 

[Fabieter]

People dont like buying from gog.

 

[Krathoon]

GOG Galaxy is a piece of crap. It has this weird lag when you boot it up and try to run a game.

Their servers are shitty.

 

[Topher]

I understand and I also buy games with Denuvo wen I really want them. It's just that the "I don't see any problem so I have no issue with it" is a big part of the enshitification and is honestly tiring to read.
Denuvo is a fucking parasite that clings to the work of others in order to exist.

Fair enough

 

[adamsapple]

Those DVD warnings never caused the movie to skip frames or degrade performance, tho.

 

[Magic Carpet]

GOG Galaxy is a piece of crap. It has this weird lag when you boot it up and try to run a game.

Their servers are shitty.

Don't be like that, Give GOG a chance. It's not that bad, They are doing their best.

Will the new Xbox Helix/PC thingamajig have better security for developers than PC? assuming you buy the Xbox version?
I can see that being a plus for little ole Xbox vs Steam debate.

I personally don't notice the DRM on games as I usually play at 60FPS. Whatever DRM slowdown is going on in the background hasn't really affected me.

 

[Krathoon]

I get annoyed when they lock prices on games. This happens on Steam all the time.

That is why I use the keyshops.

 

[SScorpio]

I personally don't notice the DRM on games as I usually play at 60FPS. Whatever DRM slowdown is going on in the background hasn't really affected me.

You can get hitching even at 60fps. The question on the PC side is, is it Denuvo or UE5 being a piece of shit?

 

[phant0m]

Idk, but everyone I knew and their mother said they would totally pirate a car if they could

really wish we could download more RAM these days

 

[Magic Carpet]

You can get hitching even at 60fps. The question on the PC side is, is it Denuvo or UE5 being a piece of shit?

I'll see what happens with Crimson Desert. it's starting to look like a gme I want to play and I'm hearing it has DRM, and it's an open world so this will give me a chance to see if it really does give me any issues.

 

[ahtlas7]

Someone pirated my car once and left it in someone's yard after a 48hr joy ride. If only I would have placed a "don't steal" sticker on the window.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Enigma tho, now that's real trash.

 

[Fbh]

Yup. Buying a DVD or Blueray and getting that unskippable FBI warning that's not there in the pirated version always annoyed me.
I understand the desire to prevent piracy, but I always hated the approach of "let's try to prevent piracy by worsening the experience of the people who are actually paying for our content"

 

[DAHGAMING]

I dont get them anti piracy message because I pirate all my films

 

[Bojji]

GOG Galaxy is a piece of crap. It has this weird lag when you boot it up and try to run a game.

Their servers are shitty.

You don't even have to use it, just use offline installers. Zero lag!

 

[Durin]

You as the paying customer have no interest in piracy, but you get hit with the "You wouldn't download a car video" when popping in that DVD

While the pirate he doesn't even have that part on his movie, in fact he can just start watching the movie.

As a paying customer who has no interest in piracy, you get hit with the shitty Denuvo DRM that impacts your ability to play the game in various ways

And the pirates don't have that

SO WHAT THE FUCK IS THE GODDAMN POINT

That "You wouldn't steal a car" ad always cracks me up after finding out they pirated both the font and music in it.

It does suck Denuvo exists at all, especially the installation limit. I don't know what will convince devs that it isn't worth it, besides Steam user reviewers bashing them.

Steam & GoG have just made it more convenient to actually buy games than bothering with piracy, especially with discounts over time. Only area where I appreciate piracy is for preservation, because games that get delisted off these stores sucks, and Steam still doesn't have a notification system for wishlisted games that are about to be delisted soon.

 

[SScorpio]

Yup. Buying a DVD or Blueray and getting that unskippable FBI warning that's not there in the pirated version always annoyed me.
I understand the desire to prevent piracy, but I always hated the approach of "let's try to prevent piracy by worsening the experience of the people who are actually paying for our content"

The disks that were worse were the ones with unskippable trailers after the warning.

Thankfully DIVX supporting DVD players and the XBMP -> XBMC -> Plex has changed the experience.

 

[Aressa]

How low does your IQ have to be to come up with "You wouldn't steal a car"?