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[Haint]

How does he expect a gaming technology outlet could avoid covering insanely impressive gaming technology? Say what you will about some of the face filters, but the other 90% of the scene is incredible and is arguably one of the largest technical leaps in gaming history. Anti-AI crusaders are more radical than religious zealots.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Bleeding edge technophiles are starting to eat themselves.

 

[OverHeat]

Sensitive as fuck….the world is doom

 

[j0hnnix]

John showing his inner Era.

 

[intbal]

We need Tom to weigh in on this issue.

 

[Moondoggy]

He is throwing quite the temper tantrum, isn't he?



Exactly what I was thinking.

Same, it seems like a really good way to get written up at most other employers.

 

[JORMBO]

John does great content. He's always spazzing out whenever someone disagrees or is mean to him on the internet. So sensitive all the time.

 

[Shifty1897]

How does he expect a gaming technology outlet could avoid covering insanely impressive gaming technology? Say what you will about some of the face filters, but the other 90% of the scene is incredible.

Removing all artistic vision to make every environment look like the same over contrasted art style and making every character look like an Instagram filter?

I hate this so much. Like, I am appalled, I would have an easier time hand waving away an 8 minute long video of Richard and Oliver eating a live baby than watching them shamelessly plug this pile of dogshit. I think I need to unsubscribe from Digital Foundry videos.

 

[CloudShiner]

Lets get them in the cage to sort this out....

"In the red corner....He's big, he's a manbaby....it's John 'Three Chins' Linneeemmmaaaannn

And ladies and gentlemen, his opponent tonight....dental hygienists take your leave now, it's Richard 'Teeth' Leadbettterrrrrrr"

 

[Kamina]

 

[squidilix]

Oh god I forgot about that guy. Jesus, we're not at the lowest circle of hell yet lmao

Also, everyone is block happy today.

That's look too cromulent for me.

 

[March Climber]

So is DF not allowed to cover new rendering tech because they need to take some "moral" AI stand on behalf of some vidiot dorks on x? Should they just crowdfund instead of doing sponsored content?

It depends on that future moment where DLSS5 releases and they suddenly have zero criticisms to give it.

I don't know what that means to you, but to me that implies that they have become the equivalent of phone youtubers, but for games.

 

[GudOlRub]

He is throwing quite the temper tantrum, isn't he?

Nothing new for him.
The only new thing here is whether they all agree internally that this video was a bad idea or whether it's John and Alex vs Richard. That might make things a bit more complicated especially considering they're cornerstones of the company by now.
Both John and Alex could go solo making the type of content they make for DF and it's quite likely they would find success without big daddy Rich.

I'm mentioning Alex because I doubt it very much he's on board with this as well considering some of the opinions he has shared about AI.

My guess is that this will be another Nintendo-like fiasco, soon enough they'll have moved on, DF could release a statement about this tomorrow and by this time next week people will have forgotten, Crimson Desert is about to release after all.

 

[readonly]

I'm with John. I want games to take longer and longer to make until the GTA's of the world take 3 generations of consoles to complete.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Get over yourself John for fuck sake

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This is so stupid

This is what makes this forum dumber.

And some are saying f nvidia. For what? People don't know what they're saying at this point

 

[drotahorror]

DLSS5 + Hogwarts Legacy = sui eyes

 

[Simply Sami]

Nothing new for him.
The only new thing here is whether they all agree internally that this video was a bad idea or whether it's John and Alex vs Richard. That might make things a bit more complicated especially considering they're cornerstones of the company by now.
Both John and Alex could go solo making the type of content they make for DF and it's quite likely they would find success without big daddy Rich.

I'm mentioning Alex because I doubt it very much he's on board with this as well considering some of the opinions he has shared about AI.

My guess is that this will be another Nintendo-like fiasco, soon enough they'll have moved on, DF could release a statement about this tomorrow and by this time next week people will have forgotten, Crimson Desert is about to release after all.

John and Alex will have a difficult time going independent. Patreon is great, but it's not going to pay the bill. Hell, it's not going to even let them buy a 5090 or even 32 GB RAM. You would need to buy several GPUs to test each game, different types of pc configs, monitors etc. It's not cheap especially in this era where RAM prices are crazy.

The reality is that by going independent, digital foundry need Nvidia more than ever to pay the bills. All these access to GPUs and other tech is needed.

 

[Itchy Tickles]

He is obviously just upset they showed Harry Potter in the DLSS 5 reveal. Wasn't he acting like this too when they seemed to initially refuse to cover the game? Acting all badass but funnily enough coming across like he can't cope with basic inquiries. (Yes, I am joking this is the main reason, but his behaviour is similar overall)

 

[StereoVsn]

Social media has everyone losing any sense of professionalism, among other things. Isn't this something that should be discussed internally?

Yeah, I mean I didn't love that AI LLM DLSS5 pitch, but for fuck's sake you are running a small company with the other guys. Take that shit offline.

 

[Joe Cool]

This thread has been an absolute gem to read through. Comedy gold in here, I tell ya!

I'm just a friendless loser console pleb who is completely out of my league amongst the denizens of PC Land but common sense is common sense no matter when and where and how you slice it, and it is inspiring and comforting to see so many GAFfers get it right with their commentary.

 

[PSFore]

This is so stupid

This is what makes this forum dumber.

And some are saying f nvidia. For what? People don't know what they're saying at this point

I'm glad you enjoy them turning game events into advertisements for AI server tech. Today was about showing off what their AI BS can do for gamers- and it backfired.

 

[PeteBull]

John "Per Object Motion Blur" Linnerman & Alex "ray traced" Bugagga vs. Richard "Bespoke Exclamation Mark" Leadbetter & Oliver "Cromulent" Mckenzie.

That sounds like wrestling tag team title match right there:

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Lets get them in the cage to sort this out....

"In the red corner....He's big, he's a manbaby....it's John 'Three Chins' Linneeemmmaaaannn

And ladies and gentlemen, his opponent tonight....dental hygienists take your leave now, it's Richard 'Teeth' Leadbettterrrrrrr"

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm glad you enjoy them turning game events into advertisements for AI server tech. Today was about showing off what their AI BS can do for gamers- and it backfired.

I choose to take a less hyperbolic take.

Am I more rational creating tons of memes and bashing or trying to analyze this? We should close the thread if we can't do objective cool tech talk and not stupid childish internet trolling.

 

[squidilix]

John does great content. He's always spazzing out whenever someone disagrees or is mean to him on the internet. So sensitive all the time.

Bro gonna join the vilain league

 

[ReBurn]

The drama llama slobbered all over Digital Foundry today

 

[JoduanER2]

That John guy is such a baby

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I said it once and I'll say it again

This is a Mii

This is a Mii on drugs

Any questions?

 

[Clear]

They are up for the highest bidder, plain and simple

I was telling people this literally years ago!

You think all the times that MS were using their coverage as a marketing tool for Xbox it was just a coincidence ?

Being charitable, you could argue that it was a case where they'd jump on the collab as it was mutually beneficial, but them getting exclusive early access wasn't a great look.

The main issue I've always had with them though is that I've always found them overly enthusiastic over the presence of proprietary tech, rather than properly giving respect to high levels of artistic skill and creativity being used to produce comparably excellent results.

Less about technique and more about proprietary branding if you see what I mean.

 

[Clintizzle]

Just a reminder that this guy has a history of not reacting well to online comments, throwing tantrums and deactivating his account in protest for like 3 days.

Move along and don't give this the attention it doesn't deserve...

 

[deriks]

Imagine if John quits and we lose DF Retro over this

He will probably do this thing on his own, much like Guru Lary does since Screwattack was sold

 

[intbal]

 

[Sebastian1295]

He's always crying and whining like a baby and then throws a tantrum like a 2 yr old if any criticism is thrown his way.

 

[Fbh]

So what's the drama about ? I still don't get it.
He is salty because the other guys were too positive on DLSS5 in the video?

 

[RafterXL]

Every fucking with this guy. He gets a little bit of friction in his life and gets all suicide watch mode.

Brother perfectly encapsulates his soft ass generation.

 

[Putonahappyface]

 

[Sebastian1295]

So what's the drama about ? I still don't get it.
He is salty because the other guys were too positive on DLSS5 in the video?

He's upset cause digital foundry were paid off for that video. That video is a paid ad and frankly an embarrassment.

 

[MacReady13]

John does great content. He's always spazzing out whenever someone disagrees or is mean to him on the internet. So sensitive all the time.

This is why he will mainly post on bluesky- keeps inside that bullshit resetera like bubble. Fuck him. He can't cop any criticism. In fact, fuck the whole digital foundry team. Oh my goodness, how will we EVER know if a game is 4k or not by zooming in on a fucking tree way off into the distance to justify spending thousands on the latest and greatest GPU???

 

[Exede]

So the two DF germans aren't happy. I'm a simple man, Alex not being happy, makes me happy.
(I'm German)

 

[Chittagong]

I love John's videos and expertise but god he manages each time to come across as a thinnest skinned little bitch on his social media interactions. Probably anxiety and mental health issues, I just wish he would stay away from social media and do his good stuff.

 

[Sebastian1295]

I always respected John unparalleled passion and appreciation for videogames in all of their facets, so of course this reaction is expected. I would image even Alex position has to be similar, despite the kind of Nvidia coverage we usually get from him. Disappointed by the posts in this Thread.

I like John's passion but christ get a fucking backbone and stop being such a pussy your entire life. He's a grown ass man on the verge of a breakdown cause of some comments on social media. And this isn't the first time he's had a breakdown either.

 

[Tomorrow]

DF have been untrustworthy shit for a long time now. Can't stand their insufferable shit.

 

[FalconPunch]

I dont give a single shit. Today we achieved photorealistic graphics.Shit my graphic whoring ass has been dreaming about since i was 10.

It doesn't look photo realistic at all. It looks like avatar and pixar had an uncanny baby. The real world looks nothing like that at all.

 

[Sebastian1295]

I love John's videos and expertise but god he manages each time to come across as a thinnest skinned little bitch on his social media interactions. Probably anxiety and mental health issues, I just wish he would stay away from social media and do his good stuff.

He cries like a bitch consistently. He's always saying 'I can't take this anymore it's all too much'. Then deactivate your social media and stfu.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This is why he will mainly post on bluesky- keeps inside that bullshit resetera like bubble. Fuck him. He can't cop any criticism. In fact, fuck the whole digital foundry team. Oh my goodness, how will we EVER know if a game is 4k or not by zooming in on a fucking tree way off into the distance to justify spending thousands on the latest and greatest GPU???

He used to post here. I could have sworn I had him as a friend on PSN at some point. I like his old school focus even if he's an awkward nerd (who isn't?).

The incubation of staying on forums and social media which RESTRICTS freedom of speech is why Bluesky and Resetera are just one sided woke garbage. It's not like the experience is perfect here or on X but at least we have more freedom to joke and say things outside of the restrictive left leaning avenues.

 

[Represent.]

I'm supposed to be mad at this generational improvement?

 

[nemiroff]

So much drama over nothing. It's literally crazy.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

So much drama over nothing. It's literally crazy.

We should have a discord group to yap about this. I got all the time to be rational and call out stupid hyperbole internet overreaction.

 

[FalconPunch]

So is DF not allowed to cover new rendering tech because they need to take some "moral" AI stand on behalf of some vidiot dorks on x? Should they just crowdfund instead of doing sponsored content? I don't understand any of this honestly. John should just ignore this crap, he seems like a cool dude but is way to sensitive and caring of what some dorks on the internet think.

Nah, its not that they shouldn't cover new tech but there's literally zero journalistic integrity in the video. They might as well just put sponsored in the title.

I get that they're an independent outlet now and need to generate revenue now. However, they fallen into the same trap as other outlets before them. Selling your soul to pay the bills.

I mean, to deny things that are so obvious in the video like how its not the same art/textures is kind of laughable. Furthermore, no questions were asked about how all the examples turned out to be hyper realistic stripping the scene of any mood. The examples shown they all look like they have the same art style when in reality, none of those games look anything alike.