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Trouble in Digital Foundry land - Big Johnny boy not happy over DLSS 5 video

Damage control. They're trying to salvage this trainwreck by pushing agenda that it's not DF that is "bad", but a few individuals responsible for shilling DLSS 5.
 
So looking at it.

ShitpitEra users started attacking him as DF had released a video on DLSS 5.

They don't like Nvidia because they build technology for the US government

John's pussy starts quivering as he's normally used to people validating him all the time, so he has a meltdown.

Enough people @ him to build up his self-worth meter and he's back to normal.

Fucking pathetic
 
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YeulEmeralda said:
Whenever I see someone praise AI I just know they work in tech and have their salary riding on this new religion.
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AI has loads of uses, some good, some bad.

In this case here I'm in two minds about it,the lighting certainly is improved in 'some' of the examples, in others it washes things out to the point that it even removes shadows, almost like, 'thats not how your scene should look, here, let me redo that the way I, an AI, thinks it should look'.

Now they say the Devs have full control, but we'll have to see about that. But the point is, if AI is used and it changes the developers original artistic vision then that is bad, if not and that's how it should look then I'm not totally against it, either way, it will be something you can just turn off anyway if you don't like it as it's done by the graphics card, the worry is if (when) this becomes standard and you can't turn it off but the hope is by then they'll have removed the very AI fake look to it hopefully.

But going back to the original point, not all AI is bad, using AI for things like NPC behaviour? That could indeed be a game changer. Using it as a tool to speed up development and lower costs (depending on exactly what it's used for and by who) that is also a very good thing. There are many other very good uses of AI.
 
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So he got angry with something that happened in his job, this happens to all of us during our career. You have to deal with it internally and not go to social media to voice your anger.
Be professional. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
 
I mean... most their coverage in recent years has been ad-like.

The only footage of theirs is still consume is when they do a deep dive into retro things.

Look at their crimson desert coverage, 100% just marketing, they did a video of "exploring the world map" they even parroted the very clearly paid for marketing "it reminds me of red dead 2". Which is obviously in crimson deserts marketing campaign (literally all influencers covering it say that line).

DF didn't do a "exploring the world" video for most other open world games.

Long story short, besides their retro and tech stuff, most their content is bought for and paid these days
 
RafterXL said:
Every fucking with this guy. He gets a little bit of friction in his life and gets all suicide watch mode.

Brother perfectly encapsulates his soft ass generation.
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Sorry for the off-topic but did you had the chance to test the new ndivia driver for crimson by any chance?
 
On one side it's good that their shilling is being called out from the inside.
On the other...this isn't a professional and mentally stable behaviour. Should have been discussed internally.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were consequences for him sadly.
 
Many here have the emotional intelligence of a toaster. John is just pretty sensitive and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
I was the first to mock Linneman mercilessly only because of his physical appearance, but after his glowing praise to crimson desert the other day and now this i'll have to reevaluate my stance on him...
Who would have thought Nerdy Kong was the coolest member of the Kong family
 
Zathalus said:
People are getting way to worked up over this. Both John and those complaining about DF.
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Yup. And in a world where clicks and engagement are worth more than anything, the people who can't be trusted, in my book, are the ones who say DF can't be trusted simply because they reported on a newly announced tech. I mean, that's their bloody job. And every single one of those fuckers saying they aren't credible or can't be trusted would have done the exact same if Nvidia called them up to give them an exclusive.

But since that didn't happen, the only way they get any kinda attention now is to try and shit on DF. And some people are eating that shit up.
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It's all just Nvidia marketing for now and DF are a part of it hook, line and sinker.
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And so what? Thats is what I do not understand... like what's wrong with people? NVIDIA has worked on a new tech or tool, and devs are already using this tool. And then DF "reported" on this tool based on whatever media material they received from Nvidia.

How is that different from what absolutely any other outlet does when it comes to reporting on tech? How is it any different from them getting some media B-roll material on some game? Its not DF place nor obligation to speak to the ethics of such tech or tools at the time of its reporting. That's for everyone else to do. Like, no one ever heard of not hating the messenger?
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Wait until you see all the drawbacks in actual full length games. I doubt it's implemented any time soon anyway.
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And again... so what? Of course, there will be drawbacks. Same way there were drawbacks with DLSS when it was first launched. Does that mean it's not innovative tech? That it won't get better? That there isn't a right or wrong way to use it?

It's impossible to have any form of constructive discussion when people are only interested in knee-jerk hot takes.
 
Vick said:
I always respected John unparalleled passion and appreciation for videogames in all of their facets, so of course this reaction is expected. I would image even Alex position has to be similar, despite the kind of Nvidia coverage we usually get from him. Disappointed by the posts in this Thread.
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Disappointed that we aren't hating AI like bluesky? alex should have been fired ages ago.
 
Toots said:
I was the first to mock Linneman mercilessly only because of his physical appearance, but after his glowing praise to crimson desert the other day and now this i'll have to reevaluate my stance on him...
Who would have thought Nerdy Kong was the coolest member of the Kong family
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Linnerman is too emotional to work in a public-facing industry. It's even clearly evident in his "artsy" style in tech reviews. And his apparent need for validation is scary and outright unhealthy.
 
Vick said:
I always respected John unparalleled passion and appreciation for videogames in all of their facets, so of course this reaction is expected. I would image even Alex position has to be similar, despite the kind of Nvidia coverage we usually get from him. Disappointed by the posts in this Thread.
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I appreciate and respect his obvious love for the videogame art form... but that also makes him suck at being able to be dissociative when reporting on just pure tech. Which is what this is really about.

We should be able to talk about tech, how it's made, and how it can be used... and that should be a totally separate conversation from if it's right or not.

Eh... imagine a porn game is made, and it has some really great new and innovative lighting tech and gameplay mechanics... an outlet like DF should be able to report on that game. On its tech, on whatever innovative thing the devs did. That's their job. But this emo, knee-jerk, hot-take, ignorant world we live in would chastise them for doing so. Because it's a porn game. They may even start losing sponsors cause no one wants to be associated with the company everyone hates now, because they reported on a porn game. How does that make sense? Where do we draw the line?

Its like some collective brainwash that's ultimately saying "you can only talk about things we like".
 
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StueyDuck said:
I mean... most their coverage in recent years has been ad-like.

The only footage of theirs is still consume is when they do a deep dive into retro things.

Look at their crimson desert coverage, 100% just marketing, they did a video of "exploring the world map" they even parroted the very clearly paid for marketing "it reminds me of red dead 2". Which is obviously in crimson deserts marketing campaign (literally all influencers covering it say that line).

DF didn't do a "exploring the world" video for most other open world games.

Long story short, besides their retro and tech stuff, most their content is bought for and paid these days
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I watch DF exclusively for their coverage of the tech and not their thoughts or opinions on the actual game. Eg... you think I would listen to what anyone says about an open world game when said person generally described them as a press up simulator (or something along those lines). Hence its no surprise to me when the same person heaps praise on a game that has done absolutely nothing new or different to most other open world games that came before it.
 
So, DF's on the take or not? I suspect with these kinda videos they are.

Yes, Linneman is sensitive - but it doesnt make him any less wrong (or invalidate what he's saying).
 
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Yup. And in a world where clicks and engagement are worth more than anything, the people who can't be trusted, in my book, are the ones who say DF can't be trusted simply because they reported on a newly announced tech. I mean, that's their bloody job. And every single one of those fuckers saying they aren't credible or can't be trusted would have done the exact same if Nvidia called them up to give them an exclusive.

But since that didn't happen, the only way they get any kinda attention now is to try and shit on DF. And some people are eating that shit up.

And so what? Thats is what I do not understand... like what's wrong with people? NVIDIA has worked on a new tech or tool, and devs are already using this tool. And then DF "reported" on this tool based on whatever media material they received from Nvidia.

How is that different from what absolutely any other outlet does when it comes to reporting on tech? How is it any different from them getting some media B-roll material on some game? Its not DF place nor obligation to speak to the ethics of such tech or tools at the time of its reporting. That's for everyone else to do. Like, no one ever heard of not hating the messenger?

And again... so what? Of course, there will be drawbacks. Same way there were drawbacks with DLSS when it was first launched. Does that mean it's not innovative tech? That it won't get better? That there isn't a right or wrong way to use it?

It's impossible to have any form of constructive discussion when people are only interested in knee-jerk hot takes.
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Mr.Phoenix said:
And so what? Thats is what I do not understand... like what's wrong with people? NVIDIA has worked on a new tech or tool, and devs are already using this tool. And then DF "reported" on this tool based on whatever media material they received from Nvidia.

How is that different from what absolutely any other outlet does when it comes to reporting on tech? How is it any different from them getting some media B-roll material on some game? Its not DF place nor obligation to speak to the ethics of such tech or tools at the time of its reporting. That's for everyone else to do. Like, no one ever heard of not hating the messenger?

And again... so what? Of course, there will be drawbacks. Same way there were drawbacks with DLSS when it was first launched. Does that mean it's not innovative tech? That it won't get better? That there isn't a right or wrong way to use it?

It's impossible to have any form of constructive discussion when people are only interested in knee-jerk hot takes.
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Nobody is saying they should mention ethics but completely ignoring the issues with it like the completely different interpreted textures, the bad occlusion artifacts, or the incorrect lighting and only pushing nvidia marketing for it is not what you expect from an outlet reporting on tech. They were flown out there and became a marketing companion for nvidia. For tech that might not see the light of day for some time.
 
readonly said:
I'm with John. I want games to take longer and longer to make until the GTA's of the world take 3 generations of consoles to complete.
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Don't stop there. I want games to cost $600 million to make which essentially makes them Fortnite and Roblox clones because no publisher would fund it otherwise.

"I don't want AI to steal jobs. I'd rather see devs lose their jobs after their $600 million clone that took 10 years to develop flops hard and the studio is shut down."
 
DenchDeckard said:
I think John should consider moving on from DF or quitting all together.
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Honestly... if he did a noclip docu-style retro coverage channel or like LGR style retro reviews id watch that.

I couldnt care what new console has 2 less frames, this shit where you gotta zoom in 500% to see a rock had less green bits on is kind of stupid. Its like that movie channel youtuber whose criticism of movies was always meaningless and obtuse, cinemasins.
 
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Three said:
Nobody is saying they should mention ethics but completely ignoring the issues with it like the completely different interpreted textures, the bad occlusion artifacts, or the incorrect lighting and only pushing nvidia marketing for it is not what you expect from an outlet reporting on tech. They were flown out there and became a marketing companion for nvidia. For tech that might not see the light of day for some time.
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There is a difference between a review... and a report. You know that, right?

And why are we going on like this is the only time this tech will be talked about. What does it say about the people that are told about tech and then instantly go into ridicule and damnation mode when they dont even yet understand the tech?

When games actually release with this tech, then we can go from reporting on the tech to reviewing the tech. Then we can talk about its shortcomings and where improvements can be made or its limitations.

Again, please look at DLSS 1 vs where DLSS is at today. Its like people arent learning.... doing the exact same thing they did then.

Like are you even listening to what you are saying? Do you know how disengenious and stupid it would be to report on tech, thats not even released yet and is over 6 montrhs away and be talking about whats "wrong with it'? When some or most of those things may be fixed by then? Or even worse when new issues may even pop up.

That NOT how you report on tech. You cannot review unfinished tech.
 
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It embarasses to see a thread like this on "enthusiast" forum. Some seem to love gossip and drama more than games for sure. It literally doesnt matter if these people collectively jumped off a skyscraper right now, they are irrelevant when it comes to videogames, let alone their feelings and opinions.

Please admins, make a separate gossip eceleb drama forum.
 
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Mr.Phoenix said:
There is a difference between a review... and a report. You know that, right?

And why are we going on like this is the only time this tech will be talked about. What does it say about the people that are told about tech and then instantly go into ridicule and damnation mode when they dont even yet understnd the tech?

When games actually release with this tech, then we can go from reporting on the tech to reviewing the tech. Then we can talk about its shortcomings and where improvements can be made or its limitations.

Again, please look at DLSS 1 vs where DLSS is at today. Its like people arent learning.... doing the exact same thing they did then.
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Obviously this isn't the only time the tech would be talked about but stating its current shortcomings in a report (you can do that on a report btw) shows its current progress and gives readers a sense of where the tech is currently and maybe even a ballpark when to expect it to be "production ready". That isn't soon based on what I had to gather from the internet due to lack of real reporting from DF. It didn't show that the shortcomings associated with generative AI have been overcome. It showed short clips with little motion away from the scene. That's not to say the tech isn't cool or that it's not going to get better but pointing out the shortcomings/challenges should absolutely be part of the report, not just be some nvidia marketing material.
 
It's so ironic people digging at DF when they bought their independence

Shows how irrational things have gotten. Not healthy folks.
 
deeptech said:
It embarasses to see a thread like this on "enthusiast" forum. Some seem to love gossip and drama more than games for sure. It literally doesnt matter if these people collectively jumped off a skyscraper right now, they are irrelevant when it comes to videogames, let alone their feelings and opinions.

Please admins, make a separate gossip eceleb drama forum.
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Yup

X posted Something !!! Lets all discuss the emotional state of a clearly unstable person and make fun of him and call him a little bitch!

We are so smart
 
Three said:
Obviously this isn't the only time the tech would be talked about but stating its current shortcomings in a report (you can do that on a report btw) shows its current progress and gives readers a sense of where the tech is currently and maybe even a ballpark when to expect it to be "production ready". That isn't soon based on what I had to gather from the internet due to lack of real reporting from DF. It didn't show that the shortcomings associated with generative AI have been overcome. It showed short clips with little motion away from the scene. That's not to say the tech isn't cool or that it's not going to get better but pointing out the shortcomings/challenges should absolutely be part of the report, not just be some nvidia marketing material.
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I hear you. But I disagree. I feel there is a difference between a report and a review.

Especially when dealing with stuff like this. Nvidia invites them, shows them some unreleased tech and gave them some technical info. The best they can do is present to the world, what they were shown.

They are not supposed to be pointing out short comings, flaws, and inferring on things that they really do not know. We can do that. Hell they can do that. But not in the initial report.

When a review of the tech comes along... If then they still don't talk about these short comings or issues.... Then we can have legit cause to pick a bone with them.
 
Mr.Phoenix said:
Linnerman is too emotional to work in a public-facing industry. It's even clearly evident in his "artsy" style in tech reviews. And his apparent need for validation is scary and outright unhealthy.
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True, but that is every vg "journalist" in a nutshell.
At least he has technical knowledge.
 
Autistic_Pancake said:
Damage control. They're trying to salvage this trainwreck by pushing agenda that it's not DF that is "bad", but a few individuals responsible for shilling DLSS 5.
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Who is they?
John?.......he literally wasnt part of this production so its not damage control it is just the truth.
He had nothing to do with this so people asking him or hating on him about it doesnt make sense.

What Agenda are they pushing?
That John wasnt part of this production.........well he wasnt, its not an agenda, its a fact.



P.S
Rich IS Digital Foundry, everyone else there are just employees.
If he wants to shill DLSS then the channel will shill DLSS
 
I'd be rather annoyed if I were Richard.

You'd think John would've learned that putting his foot in his mouth doesn't taste good by now.
 
Toots said:
True, but that is every vg "journalist" in a nutshell.
At least he has technical knowledge.
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Well... that's true. And is the only reason I tolerate him. I appreciate and value his technical knowledge, even his artsy style... at least that part is unique. His crash outs though, that's a different matter, because I don't understand how anyone chooses a career in media but then expect everyone to always be nice to him... or even reasonable.
 
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