NeoGAF Fantasy Football Paypal League (Season 3)
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Fuck all you guys and your healthy first round picks, and your bench depth, and your WRs that don't get benched for missing team meetings, and your waiver wire pickups that panned out, and your guys on the roster that other owners would actually want in trades. Fuck all of that.
Good season.
Good season.
The Frankman
Banned
1st pick - Traded due to injury potential.minx88 said:
2nd pick - Missed most of the year, lost job.
3rd - Missed 7 weeks most of year.
4th - Traded due to threat of Tebow, went to St. Louis
5th - On and off hurt, McNabb'd and Frazier'd.
6th - Hurt when her was about to take off, came back, hurt again
... yeah.
Crazymoogle
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Cloudy, next year I'm going to strongly suggest we go back to SUN-TUES waivers. Thursday locking is awkward. I have some ideas to combat the thursday games...
UberTag
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As much as I love Yahoo! if they don't have a setting that locks players/free agents only at kickoff of their team's games through your league's designated waiver time (something ESPN permits), it's not exactly adequate.
For instance, in my ESPN leagues right now all of the Broncos & Jets players are locked until next week's waivers but everyone else is still a free agent. All of the bye week players will remain unlocked through the weekend. Any players dropped during the waiver run this week will unlock at their normal time over the weekend except for the Broncos/Jets players.
For instance, in my ESPN leagues right now all of the Broncos & Jets players are locked until next week's waivers but everyone else is still a free agent. All of the bye week players will remain unlocked through the weekend. Any players dropped during the waiver run this week will unlock at their normal time over the weekend except for the Broncos/Jets players.
Crazymoogle
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Cloudy said:
It's easy for us to lock all teams during the game. As for putting the guys who played on waivers, that part is pretty difficult so I can only suggest doing message board waivers. We can keep it private (bid by commish email) or bid by public (post).
Edit: Or, we just make it a spoken rule that you can't pick up any thursday players for the rest of the week, we let them lapse into sun-tues waivers, and if anybody breaks that rule we undo that transaction for them.
The Frankman
Banned
Works for me!
I think I'll be silent this deadline. I have decent WRs but I don't matchup well to make a trade. I'm probably asking for the sky, but in my situation can you blame me?
I think I'll be silent this deadline. I have decent WRs but I don't matchup well to make a trade. I'm probably asking for the sky, but in my situation can you blame me?
UberTag
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You're looking good for this week, at least.Works for me!
I think I'll be silent this deadline. I have decent WRs but I don't matchup well to make a trade. I'm probably asking for the sky, but in my situation can you blame me?
Keller underperformed and acksman just traded his only healthy kicker away for a guy who won't even play this weekend. So he'll be running empty there.
Factor in those adjustments and he's projected to score less than 50 points in your matchup this weekend. I'd consider the win virtually guaranteed at this point but that's unfortunately not your only problem right now.
You've got three weeks to make up a serious Points For tiebreaker deficit in the event that you're in the equation for a playoff tiebreaker with a 6-7 record. You CAN catch up to acksman in that timespan as he only holds a 56.92 total point advantage over you - that's definitely doable. Catching mr2xxx's Klams could prove more difficult should he go 2-1 - he's got over 80 points on you... although I think 1-2 (and 5-8 overall) is more likely right now seeing how he's already behind the 8-Ball to Ember Island.
You also need minx88 to lose 2 of the 3 matchups because his team's going to be putting up lots of points no matter what. The fact that Stevie Johnson is hurting and Blount is fantasy poison would seem to bode well for you there but Cloudy's all-my-eggs-in-the-Chargers-basket approach to fantasy may well blow up in his face as they go up against a very aggressive Bears D in Chi-Town tomorrow.
Even then you still have to hold off Crazymoogle (who has a huge POINTS advantage) and GCQuinton (who has a cake schedule) for two playoff spots. You may want to hope for a Chargers collapse to have any kind of chance of breaking through all of those odds.
The Frankman
Banned
Apparently when the Trade Deadline hits, all unprocessed trades cancel... oh well might as well post my last second offers!
Crazymoogle
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Since we're all meta now...
#1: Would not make this deal. Antonio Brown is basically like a prime Hines Ward right now, catch heavy and performing well. McGahee had a bad week, but he's going to have good weeks too as the Tebow monster rolls on. Julio is too inconsistent and too injured to make this deal.
#2: Would not make this deal (usually). If I really needed a QB, I would of course make the deal. But otherwise, there's no reason to deal for a backup. Particularly when Sproles has been a top 15 RB for so much of the season.
#3: Absolutely would not make this deal. There is only one possible way that the value could ever line up, and that's if a) Julio was healthy this week and b) Bradshaw was not. You've got b), but not a), hence no interest from anybody aiming for the playoffs. I suppose if somebody had Bradshaw as their 4th or 5th RB, but that seems unlikely.
The Frankman
Banned
1) Teams are keying in on a less than 100% McGahee, and Juilo is only out 1 week. He's still in a great situation. For that matter, Brown may be hurt by Roffles' thumb injury.
2) If they have RB/Flex depth and confidence is waning on Scam Newton, it makes the deal something to think about.
3) I actually proposed something similar when Bradshaw first got hurt and Juilo was healthy, plus gave another player. Again, I'm making the deal on an injury evaluation (and I nearly cancelled it afterwards), but in retrospect I don't see the Giants ignore Jacobs and Ware now. Bradshaw will never get the big carries he had pre-injury, not with the way the other RBs are playing.
I mean they're last-second, but it's not like they overwhelmingly favor me here. Every one is team/roster dependent.
The Frankman
Banned
People already indicated they didn't want Palmer, I shopped him to no less than 3 teams last week. That's why I started shopping Roffles.
As for Moore, I assumed people wanted Jones more. I was barely getting RB3s for Moore... and there was no way I was shopping Palmer AND Moore in the same deal.
The Frankman
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Sunday Crowd: No one can take anyone from the Jets/Broncos game!
Crazymoogle
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Cloudy, if you said next week why are you doing it now?
There are some implications if you do so.
Crazymoogle
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I'm dealing with this as soon as Cloudy replies.
Crazymoogle
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The Frankman
Banned
Yeah, on second thought now I think what will happen is he's doing this for now but no one will be able to make moves. The argument can be made that the reason some moves/trades were made is because of a player not being available later in the week.
Crazymoogle
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? No. I switched it back. When he switched waivers, everybody went to FA except for the people "actually" on waivers, who were then given invalid waiver dates. Turning the invalid waiver dates into FAs is easy but I agree that suddenly "surprise FAs" is pretty crappy without any sort of discussion, so I froze it until that gets worked out.
Well looks like I may be screwed with the trade if I can't pick up a FA on Sunday for a kicker after my trade.
It is what it is, all my other yahoo leagues do no lock out after Thursday and its just a unwritten rule you don't pick up a Thursday team. If someone does the pickup is undone and a warning issued or waiver position reset to last.
My main concern is consistency especially in a pay league as my above post. It would be nice to switch out a kicker if possible though!
It is what it is, all my other yahoo leagues do no lock out after Thursday and its just a unwritten rule you don't pick up a Thursday team. If someone does the pickup is undone and a warning issued or waiver position reset to last.
My main concern is consistency especially in a pay league as my above post. It would be nice to switch out a kicker if possible though!
Crazymoogle
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! Wow. Well, I think we agree the trade is definitely still valid. We make the best decision we can based on what we know at the time. But I've pmed Cloudy on the waiver issue.
My stance is simply this: a unilateral move cannot and should not be made. We would need a league vote to OK the waiver switch for this week. So I'll take acksman's feedback as "yes", and we'll see if anyone else chimes in.
UberTag
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The nice thing about ESPN leagues (and I would assume other sites like MyFantasyLeague.com - the best site, btw - plus FOX and CBS) is that you don't need unwritten rules in place due to Yahoo! waiver limitation quirks.
As for the two issues at hand...
- I agree with Crazymoogle and others that unilaterally changing established waiver rules mid-week (or even mid-season) is sketchy at best. Especially in money leagues. Conducting league votes on moves like that is the best approach (I believe Yahoo! offers polling software) and, in the worst case scenario, giving people a week's advance notice ahead of time is the bare minimum because every variable impacts an owner's decision making process. At least a week's notice affords a fair amount of flexibility given that most owners typically take things a week at a time.
- As for the Dan Carpenter issue (which I noted WAY back at 8:30am this morning), this is kind of a tough wrinkle as his matchup with Frankman impacts a number of owners fantasy playoff scenarios.
acksman agreed to the trade yesterday afternoon after word got out about Miami working out replacement kickers late in the morning but I have to presume prior to Yahoo! updating Carpenter's status for Sunday's game to questionable. This was a trade agreement accepted with the full understanding of no waiver flexibility with free agents already locked from Thursday's Jets-Broncos game... hence no ability to sign people off the wire in the event of late injuries impacting the players being traded.
My stance is that the trade should stand in light of the circumstances and acksman roll without a kicker tomorrow (in fact, I'd applaud Moogle for throwing multiple offers for a replacement kicker out there with other players involved as decoys as soon as word hit the wire about Carpenter's tenuous playing status).
HOWEVER... if we are indeed rolling with a waiver change set for next week that would theoretically leave all non-Thursday game free agents open and available through the weekend then I feel acksman should have his choice of free agent kickers to be substituted into his lineup by Cloudy or Crazymoogle for his matchup tomorrow (be it Shayne Graham or someone else). Seems only fair given this will be a freak scenario impacting this week and only this week and was further muddied by the trade deadline.
The Frankman
Banned
At the time, we all knew the rules and could not have assumed a waiver change. Plus, there are numerous non-Yahoo! sites to pull info from on potential injuries. By the time the trade was agreed to, a backup kicker could've been acquired. I had done the same with Juilo Jones (insurance for a possible trade) and was going to if I dealt Palmer.
Now of course I may be biased because it affects me, but I'd want to be consistent.
Just let me know if I will be able to adjust or not. My time is pretty limited as it is usually Sunday morning is my quiet time to look over any scraps, since this league is pretty on top of it from news and wavier wire pickups.
And I agree, pretty much me winning or losing tomorrow is going to affect the middle ranks making or not making the playoffs. I will leave it with this, when a person has abandoned their team, that persons team has been manipulated moving starters to be the most competitive that weekend.
And I agree, pretty much me winning or losing tomorrow is going to affect the middle ranks making or not making the playoffs. I will leave it with this, when a person has abandoned their team, that persons team has been manipulated moving starters to be the most competitive that weekend.
Shit, I'm an idiot. I thought Moogle fixing it would open up the locked players. So sorry, I was preoccupied yesterday. We can manually unlock all players who didn't play on Thursday if everyone is okay with that (Just to be clear, anyone who needs to make a change will be allowed to before gametime tomorrow)
I understand this and I normally wouldn't make any change mid-season but we already changed this setting once after week 1 because people complained. I personally don't care either way. Maybe the fix is to manually adjust the waiver dates so ALL players are FAs on Wednesday? We can discuss it more but just to avoid screwing anyone cos I made a sudden change, I propose letting people have their pick of non Jets/Broncos players today. Any objections?
I will be checking the thread all morning and will reply ASAP
I understand this and I normally wouldn't make any change mid-season but we already changed this setting once after week 1 because people complained. I personally don't care either way. Maybe the fix is to manually adjust the waiver dates so ALL players are FAs on Wednesday? We can discuss it more but just to avoid screwing anyone cos I made a sudden change, I propose letting people have their pick of non Jets/Broncos players today. Any objections?
I will be checking the thread all morning and will reply ASAP
BTW the trade definitely goes through. Only reason it didn't go through earlier was because I hadn't hit approve (Forgot to change that setting back to league vote but it's a moot point now)
If any player is confirmed out before gametime, I see nothing wrong with letting the owner get a replacement even if waivers are locked. I'd have done it manually for him myself (just like with the MIA managers)
acksman, who do you want to drop/pickup?
If this is the only issue, we don't have to unlock waivers...
If any player is confirmed out before gametime, I see nothing wrong with letting the owner get a replacement even if waivers are locked. I'd have done it manually for him myself (just like with the MIA managers)
acksman, who do you want to drop/pickup?
If this is the only issue, we don't have to unlock waivers...
UberTag
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Drama is no fun. And I say that as someone who could benefit from players being unlocked due to that open spot on my bench following my trade.It's probably best to keep it just to the kicker for acksman but I know there will be bitching and I don't want drama
The fair move is to allow the kicker substitution and nothing else.
In almost every other circumstance, I'm not a fan of this policy. We have bench depth for a reason.
The kicker swap makes sense here because next week people will be able to make adjustments from the wire after Thursday games from non-Thursday players. Seven days from now acksman would be able to simply dump Carpenter and grab his replacement.
That variable plus the fact that the nebulous nature of the trade deadline (nobody knew exactly WHEN on Friday trading would stop) may have prompted acksman to accept the deal before fully realizing a kicker whose playtime was in jeopardy was being shopped are the reasons why this is justified.
Down the line in a week when there are no league rule changes being implemented, I don't want to see owners being allowed to swap in a replacement running back from their bench or their roster due to Pete Carroll forgetting to add Marshawn Lynch to the injury report again. Any owner that gets themselves to Week 14 has proven themselves to be capable and barring Yahoo!'s servers going offline or something absolutely wonky should be considered fully responsible of managing all aspects of their team before and during game day.
Crazymoogle
Member
Next year we'll just make a damn league charter to solve these issues. 
The Frankman
Banned
If he gets the start I am going to start DYING again.
The Frankman
Banned
... you didn't know? McFadden is iffy for Week 12 and so is Bradshaw, though he'll try to play.
The Frankman
Banned
He's a good checkdown option for Freeman?
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