Support NeoGAF

[Stat Flow]

It wasn't really out of place tbh, it was meant to be kinda like Kurapika's condition of not using his special chain against anyone other than the spiders, whatever condition Gon gave to his nen right there must've been pretty extreme.

The difference is, Kurapica's conditions were clearly explained and set before any battling took place.

 

[SolarKnight]

Yeah, Gon just made them up on the spot, while raging. That's why Gon is in the hospital barely alive while Kurapika walked away from his battle with only the wounds the battle itself caused.

Setting the conditions for your nen is extremely serious business.

Besides, I always just assumed that Gon's condition was something like "I'll exchange X years of my life in exchange for the power the kill Pitou".

 

[Dedication Through Light]

ST&RS 18

Wow what mean classmates Izumi had. Chapter needed more Maho, but was still cool. Hard to be critical knowing the series is tethering on the brink of ending, I guess.

 

[upandaway]

I don't really think Gon made any condition really so much as he just exchanged something for something

Conditions are just one more way for someone to make his nen stronger (moreso when the dude puts his life as the punishment for not keeping the condition). Kurapika never really did anything with his condition besides asserting his determination. He was already only gonna fight the spiders, so putting his life on it was just "proving it" to himself.

I have no clue what Gon did but he wasn't really doing that. I guess it can kinda be twisted into what Kurapika did if you look at it a certain way but I dunno.

 

[Shanadeus]

.

 

[Infinite Justice]

The difference is, Kurapica's conditions were clearly explained and set before any battling took place.

But that had a second meaning of informing the reader what happens, why would we need to know that again?

If anything this shows that you have to really think carefully about this or you can place yourself in serious danger plus Gon's state of mind only being focused on getting rid of pitou by any means nesscessary.*

Yeah, Gon just made them up on the spot, while raging. That's why Gon is in the hospital barely alive while Kurapika walked away from his battle with only the wounds the battle itself caused.

Setting the conditions for your nen is extremely serious business.

Besides, I always just assumed that Gon's condition was something like "I'll exchange X years of my life in exchange for the power the kill Pitou".

Or maybe he just asked for the power to Kill pitou.


*assuming that he really did place a condition on himself.

 

[SolarKnight]

Or maybe he just asked for the power to Kill pitou

Well, true, and from the look of how things ended up that came with the requirement of "X amount of years of his life." I doubt Gon consciously traded his life for power, yeah, but that's what happened.

 

[upandaway]

Bakuman

Takagi's been kinda pissing me off lately. He's saying the obviously stupid things for the sake of being told the smart things by Saiko. Just shut up and think for a damn second about the bullshit you're saying.

 

[survivor]

Bakuman

So if they write down Reversi in one go without adding a new villain it will end in about 50 chapters. Funny how Death Note also "ended" in 50 chapters but they decided to go on with new characters.

 

[upandaway]

I think there could be some potential to extend it some by including a heroine (which by the way we don't even know about yet) that works together with the hero as a duo, and then add another partner for the antagonist (dunno if a chick but someone, maybe an animal or something heck). Having partners can really inject some awesome arcs into it I think. And it would make the heroine's role important.
No way something like that will end at 50. It'll be 150 minimum.

Oh well.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Bakuman

Takagi's been kinda pissing me off lately. He's saying the obviously stupid things for the sake of being told the smart things by Saiko. Just shut up and think for a damn second about the bullshit you're saying.

You have to wonder why he writes at all, since about 3/4 of his suggestions have Saiko thinking "this is bad we need to change this" and then never actually saying it until it's too late.

 

[SolarKnight]

Isn't that mostly because he worries about Mashiro's promise with Azuki too much though? I put more blame on Mashiro than Takagi for his bad ideas tbh. Well, not always, but in cases like this one.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

also lollin at ohba writing a chapter extolling the virtues of ending a story when it makes sense and not drawing it out after the final boss is dead

 

[Stat Flow]

Yeah, Gon just made them up on the spot, while raging. That's why Gon is in the hospital barely alive while Kurapika walked away from his battle with only the wounds the battle itself caused.

Setting the conditions for your nen is extremely serious business.

Besides, I always just assumed that Gon's condition was something like "I'll exchange X years of my life in exchange for the power the kill Pitou".

But that had a second meaning of informing the reader what happens, why would we need to know that again?

If anything this shows that you have to really think carefully about this or you can place yourself in serious danger plus Gon's state of mind only being focused on getting rid of pitou by any means nesscessary.*

I am not arguing that the ramifications for Gon's "conditions" don't make sense. I was only saying that it was a wtf moment because of its randomness, and that a comparison to Kurapica's conditions as a reason for why it isn't out of place isn't strong, because of what I said.

I agree that if anything, Kurapica did it the right way when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

[Solune]

More of Murata's new manga got out and damn it looks crazy. Saw this on mangahelpers.

http://i.imgur.com/jLDMe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3tqqv.jpg

Just come out already, geez.

Keeping the hype alive upandaway.

 

[Scum]

Doctor Tearju Lunatique! :3

 

[Big One]

Is Murata's manga going to be in Jump? If it's awesome I hope it becomes Big Three material, maybe replace Narutu

Back in the day it was Dragonball, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Rurouni Kenshin. Hopefully we'll get another awesome manga alongside One Piece and Toriko.

 

[SolarKnight]

Big 3 is just a name, and in manga it'll forever mean OP/Bleach/Naruto, no matter what other manga are running at the moment and their quality/sales.

I am not arguing that the ramifications for Gon's "conditions" don't make sense. I was only saying that it was a wtf moment because of its randomness, and that a comparison to Kurapica's conditions as a reason for why it isn't out of place isn't strong, because of what I said.

I agree that if anything, Kurapica did it the right way when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I don't feel it's that random since, in a way, it's pretty much the usual shonen rage power up, but I guess it is random in that, honestly, having Gon suddenly become an adult is not something anyone could've seen coming.

 

[Big One]

Big 3 is just a name, and in manga it'll forever mean OP/Bleach/Naruto, no matter what other manga are running at the moment and their quality/sales.

Eh not really most manga fans refer to Toriko as being part of the "Big Three" now so it can change overtime. Once Naruto finishes only Bleach and One Piece will be left, and Bleach is going down in popularity over the years

 

[Zoramon089]

Eh not really most manga fans refer to Toriko as being part of the "Big Three" now so it can change overtime. Once Naruto finishes only Bleach and One Piece will be left, and Bleach is going down in popularity over the years

Who are these most manga fans? Those 3 still sell the most

 

[upandaway]

Who are these most manga fans? Those 3 still sell the most

Wait I thought..

There found it, that's what I used before to check that OP nearly outsold all other jump manga together

http://www.oricon.co.jp/entertainment/ranking/2011/bookrank1201/index06.html

(see 5th and 8th)

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Who are these most manga fans? Those 3 still sell the most

Bleach probably pulls in more money than Toriko, 500K difference in volume sales cant be that much?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Big 3 is just a name, and in manga it'll forever mean OP/Bleach/Naruto, no matter what other manga are running at the moment and their quality/sales.




I don't feel it's that random since, in a way, it's pretty much the usual shonen rage power up, but I guess it is random in that, honestly, having Gon suddenly become an adult is not something anyone could've seen coming.

Who are these most manga fans? Those 3 still sell the most

You're being baited so we can switch the discussion to how Naruto sucks

 

[Haly]

It would be years before any SJ manga gains enough momentum to be included among the pantheon of major titles like One Piece/Naruto/Bleach.

HxH would be up there if it wasn't for LOL TOGASHI.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Eh not really most manga fans refer to Toriko as being part of the "Big Three" now so it can change overtime. Once Naruto finishes only Bleach and One Piece will be left, and Bleach is going down in popularity over the years

Toriko? Really? The matter of the fact is even though SJ pushed Toriko to be the next one piece with advertising, and putting Toriko on the cover instead of Bleach and an anime, the sales have only increased a 100 k for one time when the anime started to air. That´s abysmal for all the advertising that it had. Besides Toriko sells half as good as Bleach. It won´t replace Bleach any time soon. Toriko cannot even outsell Reborn. Toriko is not as popular as you make it out to be. And no, rankings don´t mean shit. Bleach was still selling 500k in the first week and 100k the following week a volume even though it was in the bottom 5.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Toriko? Really? The matter of the fact is even though SJ pushed Toriko to be the next one piece with advertising, and putting Toriko on the cover instead of Bleach and an anime, the sales have only increased a 100 k for one time when the anime started to air. That´s abysmal for all the advertising that it had. Besides Toriko sells half as good as Bleach. It won´t replace Bleach any time soon. Toriko cannot even outsell Reborn. Toriko is not as popular as you make it out to be. And no, rankings don´t mean shit. Bleach was still selling 500k in the first week and 100k the following week a volume even though it was in the bottom 5.

What the numbers/opinions actually are don't matter; someone on the Arlong Park forums said it so it's true

It would be years before any SJ manga gains enough momentum to be included among the pantheon of major titles like One Piece/Naruto/Bleach.

HxH would be up there if it wasn't for LOL TOGASHI.

I'm internally laughing at the concept of any "pantheon" of anything including Bleach.


Bakuman

Why is this a mostly realistic series, but then the characters all have wild hair colors on the color pages and covers; i.e. Eiji's pink hair.

 

[Dresden]

The 'toriko new big 3' stuff happened when it got an anime and was placed right after OP; bleach was on a downturn, rankings were down, and this seemed to be the Next Big Thing. So far it doesn't look like it's happening.

/shrug

 

[Laughing Banana]

You're being baited so we can switch the discussion to how Naruto sucks

What the numbers/opinions actually are don't matter; someone on the Arlong Park forums said it so it's true

Oh geez you, hahaha.

In any event, in terms of *worldwide* popularity, I don't think anything will replace One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach anytime soon. At the very least from I'm coming from you mention "Toriko" or even stuff like "Beelzebub" and you will get a lot more blank stare than if you mention Naruto or Bleach... and I am willing to bet it's the same case anywhere else except probably in Japan and even that I am not so sure.

So Big 3 = Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach. And it will continue to do so as long as their worldwide popularity are still uncontested.

 

[iavi]

The Breaker New Waves 50

Nothing happened, as usual. This fight is kind of hawt though. That's a plus, I guess.

 

[Big One]

Toriko? Really? The matter of the fact is even though SJ pushed Toriko to be the next one piece with advertising, and putting Toriko on the cover instead of Bleach and an anime, the sales have only increased a 100 k for one time when the anime started to air. That´s abysmal for all the advertising that it had. Besides Toriko sells half as good as Bleach. It won´t replace Bleach any time soon. Toriko cannot even outsell Reborn. Toriko is not as popular as you make it out to be. And no, rankings don´t mean shit. Bleach was still selling 500k in the first week and 100k the following week a volume even though it was in the bottom 5.

Are you blatantly ignoring upandaway's link or something? It alone proves you wrong on this.

Of course Bleach sells more overall cause it's a worldwide thing but in Japan it sells good in volumes but still not as good as Toriko does. Bleach is like Hunter x Hunter; still ridiculous popular, but not as popular as Big Three

When it comes to Big Three worldwide doesn't count. The concept of "Big Three" came from Japanese forums originally so it's referring to how big they are in Japan. Otherwise, One Piece wouldn't be part of the Big Three if we count worldwide.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Bakuman

It's also funny that the popularity poll had "Crow" as the second most popular manga within Bakuman despite the fact they've never given us any real detail about what Crow is about beyond Eiji wrote it.

Are you blatantly ignoring upandaway's link or something? It alone proves you wrong on this.

Of course Bleach sells more overall cause it's a worldwide thing but in Japan it sells good in volumes but still not as good as Toriko does. Bleach is like Hunter x Hunter; still ridiculous popular, but not as popular as Big Three

That link is entirely in Japanese so who knows what the fuck it says and we aren't pretending to be Japanese people living in Japan. The rest of the world matters since this is an English speaking board.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

What the numbers/opinions actually are don't matter; someone on the Arlong Park forums said it so it's true

Haha.

I'm internally laughing at the concept of any "pantheon" of anything including Bleach.

Laugh as much as you want. Facts are still facts.

 

[Big One]

That link is entirely in Japanese so who knows what the fuck it says and we aren't pretending to be Japanese people living in Japan. The rest of the world matters since this is an English speaking board. Unless of course, you happen to be a Japanese speaking person living in Japan.

Yeah I can't understand Japanese numbers either

 

[Dresden]

Worldwide popularity doesn't matter, everyone outside of japan are filthy pirates anyways.

 

[Stat Flow]

I thought "big 3" was taking into account the US & "Internet Fandom" sides of the spectrum as well. I mean, it would have to be, as Bleach has never really been nearly as popular as Naruto or OP in just Japan (or even a top 3 manga consistently for multiple years).

Toriko ain't shit yet as far as influence or property in comparison. But with the way Japan is pushing it, I'm sure it will be, but Naruto/Bleach/OP might be done by then.

Edit:

Otherwise, One Piece wouldn't be part of the Big Three if we count worldwide.

Not at all. OP's Japan sales ALONE are so strong that they can rival worldwide sales of other manga.

 

[Big One]

If worldwide counts, the Big Three is: Dragonball Z, Narutu, and Fruits Basket

Edit:
Not at all. OP's Japan sales ALONE are so strong that they can rival worldwide sales of other manga.

You're actually probably correct on this but I want someone to try adding up all of these numbers. One Piece sells pretty good in the West too so I'm interested in how it stacks up, in total, in worldwide sales.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Yeah I can't understand Japanese numbers either

I don't even know what the fuck the period it's measuring is and Toriko could have released more volumes than Bleach did. I don't know, because I can't fucking read Japanese.

Edit: What a fucking shock, I looked it up and Toriko released 5 volumes in 2011 and Bleach 4. Backfire.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Are you blatantly ignoring upandaway's link or something? It alone proves you wrong on this.

Of course Bleach sells more overall cause it's a worldwide thing but in Japan it sells good in volumes but still not as good as Toriko does. Bleach is like Hunter x Hunter; still ridiculous popular, but not as popular as Big Three

When it comes to Big Three worldwide doesn't count. The concept of "Big Three" came from Japanese forums originally so it's referring to how big they are in Japan. Otherwise, One Piece wouldn't be part of the Big Three if we count worldwide.

First that covers 5 Toriko volumes and 4 Bleach volumes for 2011. Yesterday the 5th Bleach was released. Trying to manipulate shit like that is laughable.

 

[Big One]

First that covers 5 Toriko volumes and 4 Bleach volumes for 2011. Yesterday the 5th Bleach was released. Trying to manipulate shit like that is laughable.

I'm not trying to manipulate anything, even with one lack of volume for Toriko it would still probably sell a lot more. I mean pretty much everything on that list sold more than Bleach and most likely had less volumes than it (like Blue Exorcist for example). This year was simply not very good for Bleach

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Bakuman

It's also funny that the popularity poll had "Crow" as the second most popular manga within Bakuman despite the fact they've never given us any real detail about what Crow is about beyond Eiji wrote it.

At least the anime gave Crow its own anime opening like it did Detective Trap

 

[Laughing Banana]

Eh, someone corrected this if this is incorrect but One Piece is just very strong only in Japan, correct? Naruto and even possibly Bleach? has it beat in terms of worldwide popularity.

I wonder why is that. Maybe the concept of Ninja/Samurai (men with big swords) is just that more popular than pirates.

....And it's still Monday, guys. Why are we arguing about the big three right now? Right now its the time for other mangas to shine!

 

[Stat Flow]

It would be years before any SJ manga gains enough momentum to be included among the pantheon of major titles like One Piece/Naruto/Bleach.

HxH would be up there if it wasn't for LOL TOGASHI.

I'd also say this is accurate. Actually, if it weren't for Togashi and his Shenanigans I think that the big 3 would indeed be HxH/OP/Naruto...but then again we don't know how it would fair in the US or other countries.

Also, I've seen this site linked to before, so I suppose it's credible, they also seem to have a LOT of data so I'm guessing they aren't bullshitting: Top 25 Manga Properties, Summer 2011

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm not trying to manipulate anything, even with one lack of volume for Toriko it would still probably sell a lot more. I mean pretty much everything on that list sold more than Bleach and most likely had less volumes than it (like Blue Exorcist for example).

WTF are you talking about?

Toriko's sales were 4,665,634 with 5 volumes and Bleach's were 4,187,258 with 4 volumes.

Toriko's sales were 933,126 per volume and Bleach's were 1,046,814 per volume.

Apparently you CAN'T read Japanese numbers.

 

[Big One]

Eh, someone corrected this if this is incorrect but One Piece is just very strong only in Japan, correct? Naruto and even possibly Bleach? has it beat in terms of worldwide popularity.

I wonder why is that. Maybe the concept of Ninja/Samurai (men with big swords) is just that more popular than pirates.

....And it's still Monday, guys. Why are we arguing about the big three right now? Right now its the time for other mangas to shine!

It's mainly advertising plus the cult following Naruto had on the internet. Naruto was one of the first big subbing group projects and caught on a lot of fans who just liked to talk about how awesome it was. Unfortunately Part 2 happened

WTF are you talking about?

Toriko's sales were 4,665,634 with 5 volumes and Bleach's were 4,187,258 with 4 volumes.

Toriko's sales were 933,126 per volume and Bleach's were 1,046,814 per volume.

Apparently you CAN'T read Japanese numbers.

Well I guess I can't cause I don't see either of those numbers on the page

When the next volume of Bleach comes out we can finally decide this.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I'm not trying to manipulate anything, even with one lack of volume for Toriko it would still probably sell a lot more. I mean pretty much everything on that list sold more than Bleach and most likely had less volumes than it (like Blue Exorcist for example). This year was simply not very good for Bleach

We will see about that. What´s BE has to do with Toriko sales?

When the next volume of Bleach comes out we can finally decide this.

Yesterday.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Is there any shounen romance mangas out there that are not plagued by panty shots or ecchi scenes...?

 

[Stat Flow]

Eh, someone corrected this if this is incorrect but One Piece is just very strong only in Japan, correct? Naruto and even possibly Bleach? has it beat in terms of worldwide popularity.

OP is so strong in Japan that its popularity in other countries doesn't even matter. In the US, for example, Naruto and Bleach are a lot more popular than OP. But OP's sales in Japan are so much better than the other two that it evens out. Apparently a bad dub and lack of advertising are what fucked over OP here, but maybe it just never picked up either. Worldwide, I don't know of all the sales but I think that as properties, Naruto definitely has OP beat. Bleach, maybe. But I'm sure Oda doesn't care because Japan is all he needs.

Some people hate the fact that such a "bad" manga (Bleach) can be considered a "Big" anything...it's just popular.

 

[Angry Grimace]

It's mainly advertising plus the cult following Naruto had on the internet. Naruto was one of the first big subbing group projects and caught on a lot of fans who just liked to talk about how awesome it was. Unfortunately Part 2 happened


Well I guess I can't cause I don't see either of those numbers on the page

It's called basic division.

How much longer are you planning to argue facts you just made up? I mean, look at how much you got wrong in the last few posts: You got the numbers totally wrong, were a smartass about it for the four seconds someone posted a page entirely in Japanese which seemed to support you and are just acting like you can't do math now. And this was after I let it slide like 10 posts ago you just made up the fact that that Yu Yu Hakusho was part of the big three with Kenshin, despite the fact that Kenshin and YYH never ran at the same time.

 

[Dresden]

Is there any shounen romance mangas out there that are not plagued by panty shots or ecchi scenes...?

romance series running in magazines generally targeting young men and boys . . . nah.

 

[BlackGoku03]

It's called basic division.

How much longer are you planning to argue facts you just made up? I mean, look at how much you got wrong in the last few posts: You got the numbers totally wrong, were a smartass about it for the four seconds someone posted a page entirely in Japanese which seemed to support you and are just acting like you can't do math now. And this was after I let it slide like 10 posts ago you just made up the fact that that Yu Yu Hakusho was part of the big three with Kenshin, despite the fact that Kenshin and YYH never ran at the same time.

I was wondering about that but never felt the urge to look it up.