Which has nothing to do with sales considering one volumes sales could be drastically different from another. I seem to recall that Bleach wasn't doing so hot at the beginning of this year, but recently got up in popularity, so the numbers are probably very different from what you're saying.
What? This is a joke right? Do you not know of how Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin are classified under the same type of manga? Both of those lead the way of combining bishonen with shonen back in the day and were two of the very first manga in Jump to grab in female readers on a mass level. Of course they didn't run at the same time, but back in the 90's, the three series were very much the "Big Three" in terms of influence and popularity.
Yes, let's speculate in a manner such that your point makes sense.
Yeah, sure. THAT'S what you meant. You meant it in terms of genre, despite the fact that makes no sense in terms of the context you said it and despite the fact you also included Dragonball in there, which doesn't even fit your revised criteria. Okay.
I'm not even sure what you're referring to. I never made-up numbers, I said a fact. Toriko outsold Bleach this year. I never suggested there was any specific numbers for this. Saying that Toriko and Bleach sell an even amount per volume is, however, making up facts.
So Dragonball wasn't one of the most influential manga in Jump? Yeah no, sorry, but you're absolutely wrong on this on every level. Even then it isn't just their influence, but those three were the most popular in Jump in the 90's. Actually Yu-Gi-Oh might fit this criteria too but I'm not sure how it stacks up in comparison to RK or YYH.
Do you actually believe this horseshit? I never argued that Dragonball wasn't one of the most influential manga in Jump? That wasn't your original point either, you just bullshitted that in when you got called out that YYH and Kenshin weren't in the fake Big Three together.
They weren't? You really need to get a history lesson of Jump history. Everything I said about RK and YYH was an absolutely, straight up fact. Both were highly influential and brought in a huge wave of female readers, while keeping core shonen audiences engaged as well. Without RK and YYH we wouldn't have so much shonen manga with effeminate main characters, romance plots, and other things like that. Before those two, shonen was simply not a genre of that stuff (seriously try finding a shonen series that had a deep focus on appealing to girls before the release of those two manga, and then we'll talk) so they both really broke ground on this.
Fair enough I forgot Slam Dunk was released in the 90's.
Then it's Dragonball, Slam Dunk, and Rurouni Kenshin
You are not making sense whatsoever. First you were saying that Toriko outsells just to support your argument that Toriko is more popular which you were wrong about. And now you are back pedalling to cover that what you said and not making any sense.
I'm not backpeddling at all. The proof is in the numbers, whether Toriko had more volumes up for sale is pretty irrelevant to the year's sales. I've mentioned multiple times that Bleach may be more popular overall, just not really this year in Japan. But now that we have numbers for the latest volume I guess I was wrong in general, but we're already passed that discussion now.
If a manga gets one more volume in the year, you really can't count that out at all, but it seems Bleach has one more volume this year (if Beam is correct) which kind of negates this point
Yes you can, he posted the individual volume sales like 10 posts ago.
Alright fair enough, Bleach has sold more.
Cause it still produces more money, and in the grand scheme of things, that is what matters when comparing sales.
Where did you even get this "fact?" Bleach has a 350 episode long anime and long standing world-wide licensing agreements. Moreover, Bleach hasn't even released the final volume of the year. There's no foundation for this at all and it doesn't even logically follow if you take a cursory look at it.
Yeah I'm sure everyone who buys Weekly Jump reads every manga in there.
We're comparing manga sales not series sales. And yes, Bleach has a final volume for this year which is why I was wrong.
You just said that money was what matters, but now it's not?
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What? All I said was that sales matters in the grand scheme of things. I wasn't talking about how Toriko stacks up as a property compared to Bleach, I'm talking about solely manga sales. I assumed you would figure that's what I'm talking about since we're in a manga thread, but I suppose not.
That argument doesn't follow because you don't understand the those rankings.
I understand the rankings perfectly fine, I'm not even sure where you surmised that I didn't in any of my posts. Readership was probably the wrong term to use to describe how Toriko is doing more well than Bleach, but the fact that it's respected so highly by the readers of WSJ means quite a lot in terms of it's place. Bleach was once a series that was really well-liked by the people who read WSJ, but not anymore it seems.
Hopefully they'll start using private messages.
I'm convinced that you're buying half of those copies yourself
I think we've already established that I perfectly understand that Bleach does better in sales than Toriko.
No Bleach says cause Beam buys all the copies of it, just so he can tell everyone Bleach sold more than Toriko
I guess you should change your name to Big Owned. Especially since you are making personal attacks now since you could not do long division, and back paddled through this whole page. But thanks for the laugh though.
Bakuman is kinda okay at first, but then it starts really dragging with pointless subplots that have almost nothing to do with the main plot; a lot of people jumped off the wagon when the Tanto! plot started.
