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Stet said:
Why would I? I'm not the league. That's the most retarded thing about all of this -- people say they want stricter penalties and they want the league to do something about concussions and apologists reply "WELL WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO" and then bitch about every idea they come up with. We're not the league. Don't ask us. We don't make the rules or enforce the rules. Tell THEM to fix it, since THEY'RE the ones allowing it in the first place.
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*Raises Hand*
<---- Has not called for stricter penalties. I think we're good. I think there's a significant number of GM's that would agree. I think Burke has said a few things along those lines publicly.

Before Socreges screams Leino, I'm just gonna say I think they got the level of intent wrong there. Even in the process of the play, sticking your elbow out that far is probably the most intentional thing a player can do, and all player know it is unequivocally prohibited. And actually always has been, that's just a plain elbowing penalty.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
That has nothing to do with the way it used to be played. I'm talking about at this current moment. 2011, soon to be 2012.
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And I'm saying that things obviously aren't working in 2011. Just because this is how it's played now doesn't mean that it can't change. You've proven that wrong yourself by mentioning the change to helmets. And I bet people hated that change too, just like some people hate visors.
 
Stet said:
And I'm saying that things obviously aren't working in 2011. Just because this is how it's played now doesn't mean that it can't change. You've proven that wrong yourself by mentioning the change to helmets. And I bet people hated that change too, just like some people hate visors.
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Who hates visors? And helmets didn't change the way the game was played... Most equipment changes are rather irrelevant. What you're talking about is very different. Changing the rules is much more drastic. It changes what players are allowed to DO.

And how are things not working? Too many concussions? I know people have been talking about it, but has anyone found data that there are ACTUALLY more concussions nowadays?

It's pretty clear guys like me and Sanjuro just have a different perspective from someone like Socreges, and that's fine. We can harass eachother about our viewpoints whenever, but the shit you're talking about doesn't seem to be founded in any sort of rational basis other than "SIDNEY CROSBY'S HEAD HURTS. THIS IS A PROBLEM DAMNIT!!!"
 
Stet said:
And I'm saying that things obviously aren't working in 2011. Just because this is how it's played now doesn't mean that it can't change. You've proven that wrong yourself by mentioning the change to helmets. And I bet people hated that change too, just like some people hate visors.
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You're getting closer. The game has changed though. This isn't the exact same product I grew up with, but it's not some bastardized variant.

You are at the breaking point though. For the most part you are looking at the league removing fighting as the next step. That is part of this discussion. In my mind there really isn't much else you can do. This has nothing to do with the equipment changes. Hell, let Sidney play in his new bubble suit.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Again, it's off this thread as well. I've gone to the bar and generated discussions as well. Usually with either a homer or uneducated fan. Sometimes the feedback surprises me, other times I'm just talking to a lump of meat.
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I get that. There's no limit to people's imaginations and there are many people to select from. At some point the voices just merge together into one narrative.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
You are at the breaking point though. For the most part you are looking at the league removing fighting as the next step. That is part of this discussion. In my mind there really isn't much else you can do. This has nothing to do with the equipment changes. Hell, let Sidney play in his new bubble suit.
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I'm still against this as well. I think because hockey is such a physical sport you're gonna get players upset about various plays throughout the game. I think removing fighting is only going to add more dangerous "retaliation" plays to the game. On the one extreme you have the Bertuzzi fiasco and on the more subtle end you have plays like OV's "love tap" from the other night. Overall, I think fighting reduces the occurrence of things like that. That's obviously just me. I'm sure others will disagree.
 
"We must not try so much to entertain our fans." - Jacques Martin, today, adressing the Habs trouble with winning at home.








I don't know what to say, really. It's also his justification for benching Emelin tonight, which is one of the only players on this team who actually gives a damn.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
I'm still against this as well. I think because hockey is such a physical sport you're gonna get players upset about various plays throughout the game. I think removing fighting is only going to add more dangerous "retaliation" plays to the game. On the one extreme you have the Bertuzzi fiasco and on the more subtle end you have plays like OV's "love tap" from the other night. Overall, I think fighting reduces the occurrence of things like that. That's obviously just me. I'm sure others will disagree.
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I'm looking at it more from a financial perspective.

For all the good Gretzky did for the game, he is in a way one of the reasons we are in the boat we are now. NHL figured they would branch out to new territories and turn this into a finesse league. Here we are in 2011 with teams attempting to return to where they belong and a large part of the new audience are here for the rough style of play the NHL brand gives them.

They will simply lose money doing anything drastic and cripple the league. It's going to be interesting to see the endgame though that is for sure. There are going to have to be changes, but I'm back at my point "What do you change?' Drawing blanks all around.
 
Foreign Jackass said:
"We must not try so much to entertain our fans." - Jacques Martin, today, adressing the Habs trouble with winning at home.








I don't know what to say, really. It's also his justification for benching Emelin tonight, which is one of the only players on this team who actually gives a damn.
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Socreges said:
I think it's just a really terrible way of saying "We need to play simpler hockey and not try to make the fancy play".
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Yea exactly, and I agree with Martin but he worded it pretty terribly, also there's no excuse for benching Emelin at all.
 
SOURCES: KINGS CONTACT DARRYL SUTTER ABOUT COACHING JOB

The Los Angeles Kings' search for a new head coach is well underway as the team looks to replace Terry Murray behind the bench.

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reports on ESPN.com that the Kings, after receiving permission from the Calgary Flames, have contacted Darryl Sutter about the position.
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Tabris said:
Don't try to mess with the Sedins getting their Art Ross, or you may get concussed!

I feel bad for both Crosby and Girioux, just trying to make light of a bad situation
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Sedins backed in/cheesed both of their Art Ross trophies. They need players to miss games in order for them to bank the trophy. :(
 
Epic Tales of Penis said:
It's pretty easy being durable when you're not physical.
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This. Sedins play one of the softest games in the league. Even a guy like Crosby plays physical on the puck. I can't think of many players that play as "non-physical" a style as the Sedins. It's not necessarily "bad," since as Tabris points out they don't get injured often. But it does make them very one dimensional.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
This. Sedins play one of the softest games in the league. Even a guy like Crosby plays physical on the puck. I can't think of many players that play as "non-physical" a style as the Sedins. It's not necessarily "bad," since as Tabris points out they don't get injured often. But it does make them very one dimensional.
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If you actually watched the Sedins, they are actually quite physical on the puck and do a really good job protecting it during the cycle. They can be pushed around sometimes but they get right back up while still having protected the puck in the cycle. The big difference is they are not physical at all between whistles, they don't throw large hits on the forecheck and there's the no defending thing we talked about.

They are also targeted like no other players in the league and still survive.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
This. Sedins play one of the softest games in the league. Even a guy like Crosby plays physical on the puck. I can't think of many players that play as "non-physical" a style as the Sedins. It's not necessarily "bad," since as Tabris points out they don't get injured often. But it does make them very one dimensional.
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Oh are you fucking kidding me. It makes them one dimensional? SO WHAT. They've won the Art Ross two years in a row.
 
Tabris said:
If you actually watched the Sedins, they are actually quite physical on the puck and do a really good job protecting it during the cycle.

They are also targeted like no other players in the league and still survive.
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The Sedins aren't a physical presence anywhere. Getting hit while having the puck doesn't make you physical. A player like Sid is typically much more physical at least in the offensive zone on the forecheck. Compare the hits numbers on the Sedins to a lot of other big name players and you'll see they're pretty far down on the list. I'll give you Kessel. He's soft too. There are other players like the Sedins out there, not denying it, but let's not start trying to say they're more than one dimensional. There are plenty of one dimensional players on the Flyers too. This isn't meant as some horrible sleight on you deities.

Montresor said:
Oh are you fucking kidding me. It makes them one dimensional? SO WHAT. They've won the Art Ross two years in a row.
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Um I agree....
 
Hey GTA-GAF, the Powerade Centre (in Brampton) has shinny on weekdays from 9:30 to about 3:30, so a few buddies and I are gonna be there for a few hours tomorrow. Feel free to come out tomorrow if you can. Or not, which just means more ice for the rest of us lolol
 
Once again, wrong. They are strong on protecting the puck. They are not one dimensional at all, that's probably the worst statement I've heard. Not being physical doesn't make you one dimensional.

You have the following challenges playing the Sedins:

- No-look blind passes, you never know when they are going to pass
- You have to be aware of the second one at all times.
- You have to cover the passes to the point
- If you chase, they will make you pay
- When behind the net, they are extremely patient and will wait out you to either run a wrap around, pass up the center, continue the cycle. You have to be aware of both them and any D coming in to accept a highly accurate pass.
- Hard to get them off the puck without drawing a penalty (this is the physical part of the Sedins)

They are the best cycle and finesse players in the league right now.
 
Conceptor said:
Hey GTA-GAF, the Powerade Centre (in Brampton) has shinny on weekdays from 9:30 to about 3:30, so a few buddies and I are gonna be there for a few hours tomorrow. Feel free to come out tomorrow if you can. Or not, which just means more ice for the rest of us lolol
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Had an exam on Saturday morning and passed by city hall in Toronto. Only one guy sitting on the bench with skates and that's it. I need to go do a few laps.
 
Tabris said:
Once again, wrong. They are strong on protecting the puck. They are not one dimensional at all, that's probably the worst statement I've heard. Not being physical doesn't make you one dimensional.

You have the following challenges playing the Sedins:

- No-look blind passes, you never know when they are going to pass
- You have to be aware of the second one at all times.
- You have to cover the passes to the point
- If you chase, they will make you pay
- When behind the net, they are extremely patient and will wait out you to either run a wrap around, pass up the center, continue the cycle. You have to be aware of both them and any D coming in to accept a highly accurate pass.
- Hard to get them off the puck without drawing a penalty (this is the physical part of the Sedins)

They are the best cycle and finesse players in the league right now.
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Sedins are excellent possession players. I'm not arguing that. They are still one dimensional. They aren't blindingly fast, they aren't great forecheckers, they aren't great backcheckers, they don't physically wear down opposing players, they aren't impressive in the defensive zone, and they don't kill penalties.

They are AMAZING players. They are also one dimensional. So touchy...
 
They are highly accurate passers. They can score both dirty and finesse goals. They can crash the net or run a puck behind their legs and roofing it. They can do no-blind passes constantly. They can cycle the puck. They can actually be quite fast on the break out. They are also strong on the dump and chase. They are strong on the forecheck (as part of the dump and chase).

How is that one dimensional? I think you are confusing offensive-minded player as being one dimensional. I'm not touchy, I just think the statement is stupid. It's like saying Stamkos is one dimensional.

EDIT - They also do wear down opposing players. Infact, that's one of their strongest features. They will cycle it constantly until the opposing player is too tired and makes a mistake.
 
Keeping control of the puck in the offensive zone for 2 minutes isn't physically wearing on the other team?

Come on.
 
Tabris said:
They are highly accurate passers. OFFENSE They can score both dirty and finesse goals. OFFENSE They can crash the net or run a puck behind their legs and roofing it.OFFENSE They can do no-blind passes constantly.OFFENSE They can cycle the puck. OFFENSE They can actually be quite fast on the break out. OFFENSE They are also strong on the dump and chase. OFFENSE They are strong on the forecheck (as part of the dump and chase).OFFENSE

How is that one dimensional? I think you are confusing offensive-minded player as being one dimensional. I'm not touchy, I just think the statement is stupid. It's like saying Stamkos is one dimensional.

EDIT - They also do wear down opposing players. Infact, that's one of their strongest features. They will cycle it constantly until the opposing player is too tired and makes a mistake.
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ONE-dimension as in:
 
The Sedins are masterful playmakers. Two of the most offensively creative and gifted people to ever play in the NHL. So long as they're responsible in their own zone, I don't care how many "dimensions" people attribute to them. They produce and that's what matters.

They didn't contribute as much in the playoffs because they were obsessed over and often neutralized by the best defensemen in the game (Keith, Weber, Suter, Chara). That's where our secondary scoring should have come in, but it didn't. OH WELL MAYBE NEXT TIME
 
Socreges said:
The Sedins are masterful playmakers. Two of the most offensively creative and gifted people to ever play in the NHL. So long as they're responsible in their own zone, I don't care how many "dimensions" people attribute to them. They produce and that's what matters.

They didn't contribute as much in the playoffs because they were obsessed over and often neutralized by the best defensemen in the game (Keith, Weber, Suter, Chara). That's where our secondary scoring should have come in, but it didn't. OH WELL MAYBE NEXT TIME
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Well it did against Nashville where Ryan Kesler was a monster. Keith didn't do that amazing of a job against the Sedins so they still lead the series in scoring. It was just Boston where no secondary scoring really hurt us when the Sedins were being covered constantly. Plus Tim Thomas was absolutely insane. I would feel comfortable in knowing we will never run into a goaltending performance like that in the playoffs again.
 
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