Game of Thrones - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Season 1 - Sundays on HBO

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Issue with the horn:
I don't recall the horn ever being blown three times in Clash, unless they move the prologue from Storm up to fit in the finale of season2.
 
catotheyounger said:
Issue with the horn:
I don't recall the horn ever being blown three times in Clash, unless they move the prologue from Storm up to fit in the finale of season2.
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That would be a good place to end Season 2 for sure. I wonder if they will show the whole battle at the fist in S2. If they end with just the horns, then perhaps the prologue for S3 will be the actual battle.
 
petethepanda said:
I really don't understand their DVD policy. It's like they hold sets off until the next season with the intention of the new season driving DVD sales, instead of releasing a DVD set in order to get more people interested in the new season.
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You have it exactly right.

The DVD sets piggyback off the marketing for the new season. I always thought it was the other way around, but it isn't. The press for the new season boosts the boxed set sales.
 
catotheyounger said:
Issue with the horn:
I don't recall the horn ever being blown three times in Clash, unless they move the prologue from Storm up to fit in the finale of season2.
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It would make sense to move some of the prologue into S2, mainly the disgruntlement and plotting that leads some Night's Watch members to plan on killing Mormont and Sam. Having the plot thwarted by three horn blasts would make sense, and be a great final scene.

The producers have mentioned people who die later in the series will die in this season. That might suggest they're moving a lot of the Wall stuff from ASOS into this season, perhaps even the murder of Mormont.
 
PhoenixDark said:
It would make sense to move some of the prologue into S2, mainly the disgruntlement and plotting that leads some Night's Watch members to plan on killing Mormont and Sam. Having the plot thwarted by three horn blasts would make sense, and be a great final scene.

The producers have mentioned people who die later in the series will die in this season. That might suggest they're moving a lot of the Wall stuff from ASOS into this season, perhaps even the murder of Mormont.
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I can see them doing that. Though if they are planning to split book 3 into two seasons, there won't be a whole lot of early SoS material to do S3 with if they move up the Mormont stuff.

They could easily kill off Xaro Xhoan Daxos instead. He serves no purpose beyond book 2 and has like 1 insignificant scene in Dance? They're probably just talking about Pyatt Pree and Meryn Trant though.
 
PhoenixDark said:
The producers have mentioned people who die later in the series will die in this season. That might suggest they're moving a lot of the Wall stuff from ASOS into this season, perhaps even the murder of Mormont.
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No way in hell they do that. There isn't enough material then for Season 3 and 4.
 
I really hope that they have(Book 2/3)
Daenerys meet Barriston much earlier this season, which would allow for some conversations that would help flesh out the world better. Barriston could give the closest thing to an objective view of the events preceding the series, and could help the audience better understand the political situation, and the motives of the characters.
 
Damn, I'm nearing the end of ASOS and... well, I still don't know how GRRM did it but I can't believe I'm having a lot of respect for (minor spoiler, don't read if you care about characters surviving or dying, or whatever)
Jaime Lannister
, especially
his interactions with... well, everybody: Cersei, Tywin, Brienne (ESPECIALLY Brienne). He's matured. I loved his character arc on the book
, very well done.
 
So I just started AFFC and

I was reading the first Cersei chapter and I'm just fucking incredulous. GRRM really tries so hard to hammer in our heads how Cersei is afraid of Tyrion, how she thinks he's a monster, etc. but she's just not relatable at all. Mostly because we never got a sense that Tyrion is ever any kind of threat to little children or a sinister person. Yeah, he killed Tywin, but Tywin really had it coming for all the shit that he's done. Anyway, I dunno if having chapters from a POV of a character who you've completely villified previously is a good idea, when you can't justify any of their inner motivations.
 
agrajag said:
So I just started AFFC and

I was reading the first Cersei chapter and I'm just fucking incredulous. GRRM really tries so hard to hammer in our heads how Cersei is afraid of Tyrion, how she thinks he's a monster, etc. but she's just not relatable at all. Mostly because we never got a sense that Tyrion is ever any kind of threat to little children or a sinister person. Yeah, he killed Tywin, but Tywin really had it coming for all the shit that he's done. Anyway, I dunno if having chapters from a POV of a character who you've completely villified previously is a good idea, when you can't justify any of their inner motivations.
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It's really great actually. She says a lot of funny stuff regarding him in the later chapters. A total riot. Her chapters are what make that book enjoyable since the others aren't anywhere near as strong.
 
agrajag said:
So I just started AFFC and

I was reading the first Cersei chapter and I'm just fucking incredulous. GRRM really tries so hard to hammer in our heads how Cersei is afraid of Tyrion, how she thinks he's a monster, etc. but she's just not relatable at all. Mostly because we never got a sense that Tyrion is ever any kind of threat to little children or a sinister person. Yeah, he killed Tywin, but Tywin really had it coming for all the shit that he's done. Anyway, I dunno if having chapters from a POV of a character who you've completely villified previously is a good idea, when you can't justify any of their inner motivations.
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Her chapters are easily the best part about AFFC. Keep going.
 
agrajag said:
So I just started AFFC and

I was reading the first Cersei chapter and I'm just fucking incredulous. GRRM really tries so hard to hammer in our heads how Cersei is afraid of Tyrion, how she thinks he's a monster, etc. but she's just not relatable at all. Mostly because we never got a sense that Tyrion is ever any kind of threat to little children or a sinister person. Yeah, he killed Tywin, but Tywin really had it coming for all the shit that he's done. Anyway, I dunno if having chapters from a POV of a character who you've completely villified previously is a good idea, when you can't justify any of their inner motivations.
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She's a paranoid manic
 
I wonder how big of a part of how Tyrion is perceived in the book is due to how people with physical deformities have been treated throughout human history. I'll admit, I'm fairly ignorant on the subject, but it would seem people with deformities were generally seen as demonic and monstrous in the middle ages, which is the time period ASOIAF is roughly equivalent to.
 
Lax Mike said:
I really hope that they have(Book 2/3)
Daenerys meet Barriston much earlier this season, which would allow for some conversations that would help flesh out the world better. Barriston could give the closest thing to an objective view of the events preceding the series, and could help the audience better understand the political situation, and the motives of the characters.
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I'm starting to think that she wont meet Barriston and Belwas until she gets to Astapor in Season 3.

We know Belwas wasn't cast for S2, and we've heard nothing of the actor that plays Barriston filming any scenes or being on set.
 
Oh FUCK! (BIG ASOS spoilers, from near the end of the book)
"Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." FUCK. YEAH. I pretty much cheered when I read that... good work, Tyrion!
 
Ithil said:
And extremely stupid.
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She's quite cunning in ACOK and much of ASOS, but the events towards the end of that book completely send her off the deep end. I tend to think many people who criticize her AFFC chapters don't take into account just how psychologically damaged she is; it's as if people expect the characters to stay the same no matter what non-physical things happen to them

I cannot wait to see Tyrion at court.
 
I finished ASOS today and... (spoilers! spoilers! spoilers! comments regarding various plot points)

-The last Dany chapter felt really sad... or "melancholic", more precisely. Loved the vibe it gave me, and felt kinda bad about Jorah (even if I shouldn't or whatever).
-The last Sansa chapter gave me a similar vibe. I loved that whole "building Winterfell out of snow" part, felt sort of ethereal and peaceful (and, again, melancholic) after the moments of carnage and betrayal and epicness on the previous chapters.
-Regarding that same chapter: Lysa was fucking INSANE and now I get why little Lord Robert was so fucked up in the head - with a mother like that, who wouldn't. I'm glad she got Moon Door'd.
-Littlefinger... what a shifty dude. Seriously. This guy's like ten steps ahead of everybody else (except maybe Varys) it's creepy... and yes, poor Sansa.
-Poor Arya, too. She was THIS close to reunite with her mother and brother and then the Red Wedding happened. Then again, if she had been there before, she might've been killed, which would've been much much worse, so... anyway, I'm curious about her journey to Braavos. I hope she finds peace there.
-Bran, Hodor, Osha, the Reeds and Summer - interesting. Some parts felt kinda "filler" but I was engrossed by the end. Who is this "Coldhands" anyway? Intriguing.
-LORD SNOW! Yay!
-Also, "you know nothing, Jon Snow" :(
-Also, I hate Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt.
-I'm still on the fence about Melisandre and R'hllor. On the one hand, I do believe the "enemy" is beyond the Wall, the Others and all that crap. On the other hand, I'm not convinced about the supposed inherent goodness of R'hllor and its servants. In this saga nothing's quite what it seems.
-"Is there gold hidden in the village? Is there silver, gems? Is there food? Where is lord Beric? Where did he go? How many men were with him? How many knights, how many bowmen? How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many?" (sweet, sweet revenge for Arya)
-""You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children" (stupid Oberyn Martell, you got owned anyway)
-The world's a better place without that fucking scumbag Joffrey. Oh how I enjoyed his painful death.
-What's with the ending? Zombie Catelyn? O_O
 
Altazor said:
I finished ASOS today and... (spoilers! spoilers! spoilers! comments regarding various plot points)

-"Is there gold hidden in the village? Is there silver, gems? Is there food? Where is lord Beric? Where did he go? How many men were with him? How many knights, how many bowmen? How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many?" (sweet, sweet revenge for Arya)
-""You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children"
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Two of my absolute favorite moments in the entire series. Sooo good.
 
Altazor said:
I finished ASOS today and... (spoilers! spoilers! spoilers! comments regarding various plot points)

-The last Dany chapter felt really sad... or "melancholic", more precisely. Loved the vibe it gave me, and felt kinda bad about Jorah (even if I shouldn't or whatever).
-The last Sansa chapter gave me a similar vibe. I loved that whole "building Winterfell out of snow" part, felt sort of ethereal and peaceful (and, again, melancholic) after the moments of carnage and betrayal and epicness on the previous chapters.
-Regarding that same chapter: Lysa was fucking INSANE and now I get why little Lord Robert was so fucked up in the head - with a mother like that, who wouldn't. I'm glad she got Moon Door'd.
-Littlefinger... what a shifty dude. Seriously. This guy's like ten steps ahead of everybody else (except maybe Varys) it's creepy... and yes, poor Sansa.
-Poor Arya, too. She was THIS close to reunite with her mother and brother and then the Red Wedding happened. Then again, if she had been there before, she might've been killed, which would've been much much worse, so... anyway, I'm curious about her journey to Braavos. I hope she finds peace there.
-Bran, Hodor, Osha, the Reeds and Summer - interesting. Some parts felt kinda "filler" but I was engrossed by the end. Who is this "Coldhands" anyway? Intriguing.
-LORD SNOW! Yay!
-Also, "you know nothing, Jon Snow" :(
-Also, I hate Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt.
-I'm still on the fence about Melisandre and R'hllor. On the one hand, I do believe the "enemy" is beyond the Wall, the Others and all that crap. On the other hand, I'm not convinced about the supposed inherent goodness of R'hllor and its servants. In this saga nothing's quite what it seems.
-"Is there gold hidden in the village? Is there silver, gems? Is there food? Where is lord Beric? Where did he go? How many men were with him? How many knights, how many bowmen? How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many?" (sweet, sweet revenge for Arya)
-""You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children" (stupid Oberyn Martell, you got owned anyway)
-The world's a better place without that fucking scumbag Joffrey. Oh how I enjoyed his painful death.
-What's with the ending? Zombie Catelyn? O_O
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As excited as I am for S3, there is a bunch of great stuff to look forward to in S2
I hope Arya and her posse's story get enough time
and
Tyrion
in book 2 man...READ IT PEOPLE!!

Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but I saw a copy of Game of Thrones comic #2 adaptation in the Borders. It follows the book more. I was kinda a shocked seeing NSFW drawings of a 20ish looking Cat getting out of bed. Also, Cersei looked like I think most of you pictured her when you first read. This wasn't by the manga, it was on the magazine shelf next to X-men/Superman.
 
Altazor said:
I finished ASOS today and... (spoilers! spoilers! spoilers! comments regarding various plot points)

-The last Sansa chapter gave me a similar vibe. I loved that whole "building Winterfell out of snow" part, felt sort of ethereal and peaceful (and, again, melancholic) after the moments of carnage and betrayal and epicness on the previous chapters.
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During my pre-ADWD reread, THIS moment stuck out to me more than any other. I remembered all the big events, but this simple episode of poignancy, a moment to breathe in the midst of such huge, game-changing events is so wistfully well-written that it really made me stop and reflect. It reminds you that despite
all the events that Sansa has gone through including being take hostage and abused, witnessing and hearing about how her family has been wiped out, and manipulated as a pawn in the grand scheme of things, she's still a child.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
During my pre-ADWD reread, THIS moment stuck out to me more than any other. I remembered all the big events, but this simple episode of poignancy, a moment to breathe in the midst of such huge, game-changing events is so wistfully well-written that it really made me stop and reflect. It reminds you that despite
all the events that Sansa has gone through including being take hostage and abused, witnessing and hearing about how her family has been wiped out, and manipulated as a pawn in the grand scheme of things, she's still a child.
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A resounding "yes!" to that last part. It's really well written and
oddly enough, I wouldn't have minded if the chapter had ended that way: Sansa building Winterfell out of snow, with her hands, alone on a grey morning. It would've been a poignant ending to the book (or at least the named chapters, before the epilogue lol)
 
Sorry if this has been asked a ton of times, but is there really nowhere for me to stream this online if I don't have cable/HBO?

I've been reading the first book and loving it (about halfway done) and would like to start watching the series, but so far I have no idea how to do so. I don't want to pirate it. It doesn't seem to be available to stream on Hulu or Netflix, and HBO seems to require you to have an HBO subscription already.

Why won't anybody just take my money so I can watch it?!
 
SenseiJinx said:
Sorry if this has been asked a ton of times, but is there really nowhere for me to stream this online if I don't have cable/HBO?

I've been reading the first book and loving it (about halfway done) and would like to start watching the series, but so far I have no idea how to do so. I don't want to pirate it. It doesn't seem to be available to stream on Hulu or Netflix, and HBO seems to require you to have an HBO subscription already.

Why won't anybody just take my money so I can watch it?!
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Why don't you just watch it the pirate way and then buy the Bluray version when it come out.
 
Altazor said:
A resounding "yes!" to that last part. It's really well written and
oddly enough, I wouldn't have minded if the chapter had ended that way: Sansa building Winterfell out of snow, with her hands, alone on a grey morning. It would've been a poignant ending to the book (or at least the named chapters, before the epilogue lol)
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I always kind of wished the book had ended that way. Such an amazing scene.
 
Steelyuhas said:
I always kind of wished the book had ended that way. Such an amazing scene.
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yeah, me too... I would've left the epilogue as prologue for the next book (maybe?) and move
Littlefinger's murder of Lysa
also to the next book. Then again, maybe that would've been bad, I dunno.

I just started AFFC but I'm still in the prologue. No comments yet.
 
Salazar said:
iTunes.
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Yup. The full first season will be available to download via iTunes the same day the DVD/Blu-Ray releases: March 6, 2012.

No one's mentioned the SAG Awards nominations yet? Thrones was nominated for best stunts and best ensemble in a drama series.
 
I finished book 3 about 3/4 months back. I think I'm ready to start book 4 today... Hope I like it!

Can someone tell me if book 5 is good? Like, I know book 4 has few characters from the first 3 books and that book 5 is more of a continuation of book 3. So I was wondering if book 5 is a return to form of the crazy shit that happens all the time in book 2/3.
 
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