Exactly what I thought. Halo 4 would be a great next gen launch title, but it doesn't look like MS is taking it in that direction.
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Halo 4 Announced (MS Conf, 2012, Start Of New Trilogy)
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Exactly what I thought. Halo 4 would be a great next gen launch title, but it doesn't look like MS is taking it in that direction.
Deuterium
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Monome, I am pretty sure that when Greg Bear agreed to write novels in the HALO universe, Microsoft/343 Studios must have included wording in the contract to the effect that they get to use any of his ideas in future HALO games. In other words, they own the rights, and I don't think they will have to pay him any additional monies for integrating any of his ideas/concepts into future HALO games.
By the way, Greg Bear is one of my favorite Sci-Fi writers. "Forge of God" and "Anvil of Stars" are two of my favorite Sci-Fi books of all time. I realize that this must have been a lucrative deal for him, but to be perfectly honest, I would prefer to see his time and talents spent on his own novels, not in writing books based on a videogame.
Come on, son!
Going by that, definitely not.
Still fits to be Trevelyan, considering all the fiction and plot direction up til now. Some early game art that shows a planet of indefinite size (roughly moon size, it looks) isn't gonna debunk Onyx/Trevelyan being the planet, to me.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
The lack of comma in that still makes me giggle. I can only assume that you're gonna be playing as Cortana as she struggles to wake Chief up.
Come on, son!
Dude, its not Onyx.
ONI owns that place now, why would MC go there? It is probably a similar installation to Onyx, as the Forerunners spread them across the galaxy as bomb shelters for when the Halo Array fired. It is probably where a piece of Mendicant Bias is still left, fighting against the Precursor.
Was already done in ODST.
The Librarian
Banned
Stop it. It's not Onyx.
snoopeasystreet
Member
Haven't read the books but
is that really a potential story arc that 4 could down? Between this, the Halo 4 warthog in forza and Payton leaving, we're not going to see the amount if change I would have liked. For better or worse, it sounds like it's going to be more Halo
Rickenslacker
Banned
Humans.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Holy shit, Halo 4 is going to be Halo! Bail out!
Then consider what it would look like in-game. The thing is so big, it appears to be flat.
If you're not going to use the defining feature of a Dyson sphere in the game, then what's the point of even going inside? It would be like Halo without the ring in the sky. That's just silly.
I like the way you think. Also, kittens.
ElRenoRaven
Member
I know. How dare they make Halo 4 just another Halo game. HOW DARE YOU 343!!!! YOU SUX!!!!
snoopeasystreet
Member
I mean that in the nicest way possible. I'm just hoping they go as far away from the aesthetic as possible. My favorite thing about CE was the sense if discovery.
Mr Nightman
Banned
still dont see why microsoft wouldn't have pc versions made of halo 3, reach or at least this one. Do they not see the opportunity for even more money? I would buy a copy of a new halo pc game no doubt. Heres hoping we get 4 for pcs as well 
ncsuDuncan
Member
Was already done in Halo CE.
If that NMPD officer from Sadie's story counts then so does the marine in 343GS.
Rickenslacker
Banned
They're probably waiting for the opportunity to Trojan Horse it into another undesirable OS.still dont see why microsoft wouldn't have pc versions made of halo 3, reach or at least this one. Do they not see the opportunity for even more money? I would buy a copy of a new halo pc game no doubt. Heres hoping we get 4 for pcs as well
ncsuDuncan
Member
Windows Phone 8.
Well, shit
Haha.
Well, I remember there was some talk as to the art direction like structures in the sky, etc. Looks like we are in for a lot of floating columns and enormous structures in the distance from all directions in dat skybox(60fps confirmed).
So, you can be assured that Sparth and his team are going to make the interior of the Dyson sphere look amazing, even if we don't see the curvature (if we did, it sure as hell wouldn't be close to the size of a dyson sphere).
squidhands
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I've never killed that guy in CE. If you run away from him, he resumes his personal hysteria/cowering.
Don't see what that matters to the in-game, other than the skybox not including an arched horizon. Also, it looks (from early media alone) like the game will take place inside the planetoid, not on the surface.
It's possible it's not Onyx. The only thing to the contrary is some new media that doesn't fit the scale. I'm not saying I'm right
I just see the direction of the new Halo trilogy bringing the Chief back to the OG S2s and emphasizing Halsey's role as a character in the universe.
MC has no choice; he didn't choose to float in the direction of the planetoid. From a plot design or gameplay perspective, you can confront ONI and its forces, possibly including S4s.
MB has as equal a probability of being on the Shield World Trevelyan as any other shield world.
MB has as equal a probability of being on the Shield World Trevelyan as any other shield world.
The Librarian
Banned
It's not Onyx.
Not saying they are, merely mulling over the possibilities.
Do you have anything more to go on than some concept art? I want to get cool like you guys.
/smh
Why would MC fight against
ONI S4's?
It's depressing seeing this thread so much despite no new news.
Well,Humans are the ancient enemy of the Forerunners, so...
Serious answer: It's not Onyx.
Whilst this is true, I feel it is not applicable in the current timeline
Done with this.
It's depressing seeing this thread so much despite no new news.
Serious answer: It's not Onyx.
Well,
Humans are the ancient enemy of the Forerunners, so... 
Serious answer: It's not Onyx.
Why not? Like I said, possibilites. We've fought everything under the Covenant sun for five games. Sentinels and Flood too.
we could and probably will get new enemies to face, perhaps of the ancient foe variety. But I could imagine facing the "new and improved" stuff.
The Librarian
Banned
*repeatedly bangs head against keyboard*
I knew I shouldn't have used that specific term... I just meant a generally understood Ballworld (first chapter of my epic Larry Niven porn parody trilogy, coming soon).
Something like this:
(from the Halo 4 Concept Art teaser)
or this
(from Halo Wars)
I knew I shouldn't have used that specific term... I just meant a generally understood Ballworld (first chapter of my epic Larry Niven porn parody trilogy, coming soon).
Something like this:
(from the Halo 4 Concept Art teaser)
or this
(from Halo Wars)
Yea I could definitely get behind that Halo Wars shot; would be awesome to see structures and stuff off in the distance.
Dyson sphere isn't even really accurate given Onyx's size; its more like Jupiter I believe from the description in Glasslands.
Onyx was the decoy planet, the shell made up of Sentinels. The thing hidden inside it is very much the size of a Dyson sphere, with a radius of 1 AU.
From wikipedia:
"A cut-away diagram of an idealized Dyson shell, a variant on Dyson's original concept, with a radius of 1 AU."
Onyx was the decoy planet, the shell made up of Sentinels. The thing hidden inside it is very much the size of a Dyson sphere, with a radius of 1 AU.
From wikipedia:
"A cut-away diagram of an idealized Dyson shell, a variant on Dyson's original concept, with a radius of 1 AU."
Didn't they
enlarge it in Glasslands, before ONI moved in though? When it was shrunk I'm pretty sure it was like the size of a basketball, only ridiculously dense. When they enlarged the sphere, it was still inside of a solar system.
Now, INSIDE is a totally different matter given how pro the Forerunners were with slipspace, the outside of where MC is going could be planet sized, the interior could be solar-system sized.
Now, INSIDE is a totally different matter given how pro the Forerunners were with slipspace, the outside of where MC is going could be planet sized, the interior could be solar-system sized.
Should be interesting to see what direction they take with the multiplayer. Fans' expectations will be high to deliver classic Halo, while others will want a revolution in terms of gameplay design.
Seems like a rather arbitrary thing to do.
Heu, that's a given. Just wanted to say, it's cheaper to get him to write books that explain a lot of things, rather than pay for incredibly long cutscenes to include in Halo 4.
Just a way of saying, any place, or protagonist he introduces, you're pretty sure it will connect with halo 4, nothing new here.
I just want to fly a Sphinx.
Stuff in Glasslands is not gonna have much impact on Halo 4, except for
angry sanghaelis, Spartan 4!, Infinity and the fact humans are already adapting forunner tech to military usage, ONI is more cunning than ever and Halsey lives
Stuff from Cryptum
angry as fuck Didact, angrier as fuck Precursor, Humans from before and the mysterious Librarian
Crazy ranting anyway, and stuff from those two books follow ups is probably taken into account anyway as they release the same year as the game.
Just give me a trailer 343 and help say something smart.
Oh, and don't forget the added epilogues to the republished versions of the first three Halo books! good stuff in there too
as we learn someone, a forunner for sure, is watching the events from Halo CE and communicating about it
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Yep, you're right. This is always what I thought they were going to do to get a
dyson sphere sized location for Halo 4.
Blue Ninja
Member
It was always the same size. At first, though, it was inside a Slipspace bubble only 23 centimeters (or something like that) in diameter. Basically it was like an elephant inside a small car, only more space wizard-like.
When it 'enlarged', it just transited to normal (our) space. It retained its size, but now it wasn't stuck in a bubbe anymore.
When it 'enlarged', it just transited to normal (our) space. It retained its size, but now it wasn't stuck in a bubbe anymore.
Thank you for posting my reply.
All I want is Halo 4 to be made by Grasshopper Manufacture, produced by Kojima Productions and combat design by Platinum games. It's gonna be so kawaii.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Captain Keyes would like a word with you.
@Trey: I think they're calling it Halo 4 by design. General public people are dumb. A numbered sequel still means something to them. I suspect it'll be Halo 4: San Andreas, or maybe Halo 4: Die H4rderererer, or something like that.
GodfatherX
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so I havent read the books, only wiki and summaries of them up until halo 3 and then the terminals in Halo CEA
if any of these are wrong let me know, also if anyone has a good and easy to read wiki to bring me up to date with the lore of the new books please share.
really want to know how long after the events of Halo 3 did the Spartan IV program start and the UNSC Infinity
humans are decendants of forerunners
before the forerunners there were precursors
the precursors and forerunners were at war
at some point the precursors were losing, as this happened forerunners destroyed most precursor history/buildings/ect
the precursors had a cure for the flood, but didn't share it
before the forerunners there were precursors
the precursors and forerunners were at war
at some point the precursors were losing, as this happened forerunners destroyed most precursor history/buildings/ect
the precursors had a cure for the flood, but didn't share it
if any of these are wrong let me know, also if anyone has a good and easy to read wiki to bring me up to date with the lore of the new books please share.
really want to know how long after the events of Halo 3 did the Spartan IV program start and the UNSC Infinity
â Narayan
Member
So is Glasslands the book to read as far as chronological order goes? The last Halo book I read was Ghosts of Onyx.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Most of what you had spoiler-texted was sort of in the ballpark but not quite right. With what you know now you'll probably be caught up for Halo 4. Although reading Cryptum and Glasslands would get you up to speed 100%.
∀ Narayan;33476872 said:
Glasslands is pretty much a direct sequel to Ghosts of Onyx and it, along with Cryptum, were surprisingly good for books based on a video game property.
GodfatherX
Member
thanks
i tried to listen to the cryptum audio book, not sure if it was the narrator or not but I found it really...boring and never made it past for the first couple parts
I forget exactly how the Precursors fit in other than the fact that they came before the Forerunners, but
Humans are not descended from Forerunners, and ancient Humans fought the Forerunners while both fought the Flood. Humans had a cure for the Flood which they used to beat them back, at which point Forerunners took the opportunity to defeat and devolve Humans. I think I recall that the Halos are capable of destroying Precursor relics because there is some biological component to them. I think that the Forerunners killed off the Precursors at some point, except for one prisoner. The Flood may have been the Precursors' final revenge for their defeat.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Oh. Boy.
Humans are not descendants of Forerunners.
- Some of the Forerunners speculate that Humans and Forerunners may share some genetic tie in some form but that is only brief speculation.
The Forerunners history with the Precursors is unknown
- The Precurosrs prepdated the Forerunners by eons and they simply don't know much about them, in the same vein that Humanity doesn't know much about the ancient Forerunners.
- The last known Precursor was taken captive and locked up by the Forerunners.
- The Forerunners were at war with Humanity. Turns out ancient Humanity was pretty badass but we kept to ourselves in a small arm of the galaxy whilst the Forerunners kept to the rest. Then we discovered the Flood. The Flood pushed Humanity into Forerunner territory so Humanity went to war with the Forerunners at the same time it was fighting the Flood.
- Humanity found out how to beat the Flood through an unidentified biological weapon or means that required a massive sacrifice of the human population
- Humanity's massive losses resulted in a Forerunner victory and Humanity was genetically altered by the Forerunners and split into a smaller number of "regressed" sub-species
-The Flood bounced back and would eventually push the Foreunners to build and use the Haloes
The Forerunners (probably) did destroy any remaining Precursor artifacts
- The Precursors' technology managed to stand long after the Precursors disappeared and would have still stood for longer but the Haloes happened
- During a test firing of one of the Halo installations, a planet's entire Precursor relics, buildings and technologies are destroyed by the Halo effect
- Precursor technology was based on "neural physics" a unique concept that linked thought and matter in some way.
- The Halo Array successfully fired and engulfed the entire Milky Way exterminating all life and starving the Flood. This event most likely destroyed any and all Precursor technology and relics across the galaxy leaving only broken fragments and ruin.
Humanity refused to share the secret of defeating the Flood with the Forerunners
- Humanity did beat the Flood but at a high cost and when the Forerunners defeated Humanity this secret was never revealed to them. Sgt Johnson had a natural and rare immunity to Flood infection and the only known case of it's kind. This immunity may be linked to the ancient Human Flood secret.
- Some of the Forerunners speculate that Humans and Forerunners may share some genetic tie in some form but that is only brief speculation.
The Forerunners history with the Precursors is unknown
- The Precurosrs prepdated the Forerunners by eons and they simply don't know much about them, in the same vein that Humanity doesn't know much about the ancient Forerunners.
- The last known Precursor was taken captive and locked up by the Forerunners.
- The Forerunners were at war with Humanity. Turns out ancient Humanity was pretty badass but we kept to ourselves in a small arm of the galaxy whilst the Forerunners kept to the rest. Then we discovered the Flood. The Flood pushed Humanity into Forerunner territory so Humanity went to war with the Forerunners at the same time it was fighting the Flood.
- Humanity found out how to beat the Flood through an unidentified biological weapon or means that required a massive sacrifice of the human population
- Humanity's massive losses resulted in a Forerunner victory and Humanity was genetically altered by the Forerunners and split into a smaller number of "regressed" sub-species
-The Flood bounced back and would eventually push the Foreunners to build and use the Haloes
The Forerunners (probably) did destroy any remaining Precursor artifacts
- The Precursors' technology managed to stand long after the Precursors disappeared and would have still stood for longer but the Haloes happened
- During a test firing of one of the Halo installations, a planet's entire Precursor relics, buildings and technologies are destroyed by the Halo effect
- Precursor technology was based on "neural physics" a unique concept that linked thought and matter in some way.
- The Halo Array successfully fired and engulfed the entire Milky Way exterminating all life and starving the Flood. This event most likely destroyed any and all Precursor technology and relics across the galaxy leaving only broken fragments and ruin.
Humanity refused to share the secret of defeating the Flood with the Forerunners
- Humanity did beat the Flood but at a high cost and when the Forerunners defeated Humanity this secret was never revealed to them. Sgt Johnson had a natural and rare immunity to Flood infection and the only known case of it's kind. This immunity may be linked to the ancient Human Flood secret.
Captain Del Rio was appointed CO of the UNSC Infinity (the same role as Captain Keyes on board the Pillar of Autumn) in March 2553, the same month that a memorial service for the dead was held in Voi, Africa (seen in the Halo 3 ending). We have Spartan IV's on deck on the Infinity so the IV program had to have been initiated before this date and time.