Funky Papa
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It looks as if Prometheus could also feature the prequel to Alien's infamous panty shot.
Oh Ridley, you old cad.
Oh Ridley, you old cad.
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Well put. More generous to Aliens than I would have been, but I'm a Cameron troll so bravo.
freenudemacusers
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Why are you zooming in on the bracket?
The dialogue part is what stood out the most for me, during my most recent viewing of the entire series, a few years back. It does devolve into the usual action movie one liners in the sequels, whereas the first movie had those conversations and arguments that didn't feel (and in some cases probably weren't) scripted. I think that contributed quite a bit to the "lived in" feeling of the ship. Those people felt like... well, people.
One of the major annoyances about the sequels. Its hard to bring a lead character back, maybe impossible to avoid it. But Ripley developed that Jesus Christ syndrome. Where everything done is meticulously laid out perfectly for her. She goes from barely escaping due to the Alien's own survival instinct. A large bit of luck the Alien had to hide himself, so she would launch. And a good decision on what to do.
To walking in alone to the Hive, rescuing Newt right as she is about to get facehugged, escaping with the flame following behind her, Fighting the Queen in the Robot from earlier, launching her out of the docking bay again, but this time instead of having a suit on and locking herself down. She is able to hold onto a bar... while the Queen holds on to her. Ash was right about wanting to see the perfect being.
Maybe a better way to describe it and what would be so hard to bring back a character, is that when I first watched it. I never got that overbearing impression she was actually the lead. She felt like an actual person, just like the rest of the cure, rather than an elevated point.
This has probably been discussed but I wonder, are the "Predators" part
of the official canon of the Alien series? Would that make Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 canon too? Cause if it is then how can the "Space Jockeys" expect the "Predators" to allow them to try to eliminate the humans.
I think it was in the Alien Vs Predator movies that it shows that the Predators like having the humans around in order to hunt them. One temple city was over ran by the xenomorphs and the Predators self destructed and eliminated them all thus saving humanity, showing that they weren't to keen on having humanity completely destroyed. Knowing this, wouldn't the Predators pose a potential road block towards the "Space Jockeys" supposed plans in the movie Prometheus (if the leaked script rumors are true that is)?
of the official canon of the Alien series? Would that make Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 canon too? Cause if it is then how can the "Space Jockeys" expect the "Predators" to allow them to try to eliminate the humans.
I think it was in the Alien Vs Predator movies that it shows that the Predators like having the humans around in order to hunt them. One temple city was over ran by the xenomorphs and the Predators self destructed and eliminated them all thus saving humanity, showing that they weren't to keen on having humanity completely destroyed. Knowing this, wouldn't the Predators pose a potential road block towards the "Space Jockeys" supposed plans in the movie Prometheus (if the leaked script rumors are true that is)?
Funky Papa
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NO. And it's better if you don't even entertain the thought.
Those are unrelated franchises that got mixed up after some successful crossovers in comics and videogames. Some of them were actually pretty damn good, but I wish I could erase their influence.
SpeedingUptoStop
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We can put a man on the moon but we can't make a sexy spacesuit. This isn't the America I voted for!
Funky Papa
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If it gives you solace, Theron is South African and Weyland Corp. is actually British.
sixteen-bit
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This looks cool. As a prequel, I could watch this if I've never seen Alien, right?
Funky Papa
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Yup. It will be pure fanwank for the Alien crowd, but also a stand alone movie on its own.
Still, you need to remedy that soon. Grab the first two, maybe three Alien movies ASAP.
I guess? It still remains to be seen how much the two will really have in common. You should still jump on Alien though if you've never seen it.
Like now.
No, I'll wait. Go.
TheKaeptain
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Didn't Scott say there were two Androids?
SpeedingUptoStop
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Perfectly fine knowing America could waste so much time on the Russians in a dumb space race, but lost the ultimate sexy space suit contest? Are you mad, man? This fills me with utter shame!
MIT is currently producing biosuits for manned mission to Mars. Century of technical advancement will increase their sexyness.
Prometheus crew are also using biosuits, just to protect them from the mild hostile elements on LV426.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
MIT is currently producing biosuits for manned mission to Mars. Century of technical advancement will increase their sexyness.
Prometheus crew are also using biosuits, just to protect them from the mild hostile elements on LV426.
Enhance...
Mmmm yes, I do believe this country is heading in the right direction once more. Obama's America, forward bound!
SilentProtagonist
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Random question: In Aliens, how exactly were the xenomorphs determining who to abduct and who to kill?
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Wait, maybe they only killed armed threats? Did they kill the corporate guy?
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Wait, maybe they only killed armed threats? Did they kill the corporate guy?
Nappuccino
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They didn't kill the corporate guy in the deleted scenes... but in the original cut we can pretend his head got and extra hole.
The alien scream pulse is in the end. The beginning sounds like translamers.
SilentProtagonist
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Huh. I always wondered how these 'abductions' looked.. Like, I can't imagine a xenomorph carrying a dude across a colony or through vents.
Zoramon089
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It's not the suit that makes the sexy, it's the wearer that makes...the suit? Sexy? You understand?
Agent Unknown
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Sorry, just tagged it.
Agent Unknown
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Totally agree on all those points and I love Jonesy. Having a cute, feisty little cat in the movie is also kind of comforting and makes it all the more relatable in an otherwise fantastic setting. It makes me mad
when the Alien angrily hits his kitty box.
btw, if you get a chance would you mind spoiler tagging what you quoted from me about Ash (I just spoiler tagged my own post) because I forgot there are newcomers here who haven't seen the first movie yet.I am open to the possibility that the derelict ship in Alien is not the one we see in Prometheus (though it is the same kind). It might be more satisfying to me that way if we don't know why that one crashes or how the pilot gets an alien embryo inside. More and more I am thinking that is how this is/isn't a prequel. Same universe, same species no direct plot tie in. That was part of my problem with the Thing prequel, they had to do some things that damaged that movies story to fit a prop from the original.
I am also calling the space jockey helmet on the scanning gurney in the trailer is found on earth at the beginning of the movie.
I am also calling the space jockey helmet on the scanning gurney in the trailer is found on earth at the beginning of the movie.
Criminal Upper
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the genesis/creation of Alien plagued with endless fighting/bickering between the various writers and producers? Tons of dialog was changed, characters re-written and things constantly added/taken away?
I think it's sheer coincidence/luck that the movie turned out as well as it did. It certainly wasn't made to, considering all it's problems during pre-production.
Change a few words here and there and I'd swear you were talking about Termintor 1 vs 2
Not always.
I like the fact that Cameron didn't set out to make a film that tried to mimic Scott's, despite it being a sequel. It has a different feel and different goals, and it succeeds on its own terms, while functioning effectively as a sequel. It's the reason I can't really elevate one film over the other, because each has things I admire so much. I watch Aliens when I want a scary, first rate action/horror film. I watch Alien when I'm in the mood for one of the most effective slow burn, gothic horror movies ever.
What I fault Cameron the most for is taking a truly unique creature design and life cycle and grounding it in the familiar (it's a big ant colony). The original alien design, and the way it is presented, still terrifies me on a primal level, in a way no film has ever comes close to. There's a patience and craftsmanship to the first film, particularly the first half, that is without peer; it gives me the willies every time I think about it.
It is my hope that Scott is able to tap into that kind of terror again.
In this case, yes, I'm afraid so.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Just re-watched Aliens. Such a fun movie. Everything Hudson says is hysterical.
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My main gripe with Aliens is that its entire third-act rehashes the end of Alien plot-point for plot-point, which strikes me a lazy and unimaginative (which is a complaint you can lay across Cameron's entire oeuvre unfortunately).
Its also not nearly as well made as Scott's movie; cinematagraphy, production design, and outside of Stan Winston's stunnng work the effects are surprisingly dodgy. Its well a played and directed movie, but again I feel that the original does it better.
That being said, its streets ahead of any of the other sequels and it is a highly entertaining experience in its own right, its just not a classic imho.
Its also not nearly as well made as Scott's movie; cinematagraphy, production design, and outside of Stan Winston's stunnng work the effects are surprisingly dodgy. Its well a played and directed movie, but again I feel that the original does it better.
That being said, its streets ahead of any of the other sequels and it is a highly entertaining experience in its own right, its just not a classic imho.
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Pretty much.
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I don't know if it was quite a coincidence, but certainly a bit a luck. Luck in that talent was there to make the best of the situation. Regardless of it's production issues, Alien ended up a masterpiece, and the rewrites and focus on making characters more natural resulted in what I consider to be some of the most natural dialogue in science fiction cinema.
Characterisations and interaction between the entire cast is eerily natural. It has that quality so many British films have (unsurprising given Scott's origins), where dialogue feels almost completely unscripted. As Erigu put it, the characters in Alien feel like real people, rather than one lining actors.
Salvor.Hardin
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This is pretty much how I feel about Aliens. The production design and effects really are dodgy, the plastic seems cheap, and the shots are very flat. Regardless, it's a damned entertaining movie, but for me, it pales in comparison to Alien in terms of film making technique.
A question about the Xenomorphs in the movie: in some scenes they're using models and moving them around in really clunky ways, and at other times they look like they're actors in suits. What I'm wondering is why they didn't just go with the suits through out the film? Unless I'm wrong, it couldn't have been too hard to get a person to wear stilts, contort his body a little and play the alien for a few shoots, just at least to get the reptilian movement right.
Also I've been meaning to get into the production story of Alien. Is there any definitive coffee table book like The Making of The Empire Strikes Back by Rinzler?
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Insane Metal
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The cinematography in Aliens is dodgy?
Are you for serious?
If there's one thing James Cameron is good at, it's knowing where to put the goddamn camera.
Edit: And not a classic?
symphonask
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The Alien Vault hardback by Ian Nathans came out this year. I haven't got it yet but it's supposed to be really well produced.
I wouldn't say dodgy, but I would say unremarkable. Alien is a stupidly gorgeous movie, breathtakingly beautiful and visually timeless. Aliens is none of those things.
Damn, I guess I'm out. It's like we're talking about two different movies.
I won't lie: Ridley knows how to set up a shot, and Alien is probably better, but IMO, Aliens is better from a visual standpoint than almost any other sci-fi film that wasn't directed by Scott or Kubrick. So many iconic shots in that film. The scenes where they're exploring the LV-426 colony drip atmosphere.
I've leveled plenty of criticisms at Aliens. The debriefing scene is stupid as fuck; Gorman ruins almost every scene he's in, and Apone collecting magazines was abysmally stupid. Lots of flaws to pick out. I've just never felt that the film's visuals were one of those flaws.
This.
I love Aliens but it's clearly a step below the original. I've always found the cinematography to be kind of underlit..not stylistically (which I know is intentional), but in the basic technical aspects of the lighting. I know it's a dark film, but it almost feels murky.
I love Aliens, but one thing that's always bothered me about it is the shot in which Ripley runs over a xenomorph in the APC. The shot goes on for long enough to notice that the creature is stationary and waiting to be run over for the scene. A little movement would've been nice. That one shot alone reminds me that it's a movie and sort of pulls me out of the experience.
Salvor.Hardin
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Thanks. I'll check that out.
So true. I posted these pictures in the previous Prometheus thread. Nothing in Aliens looks this beautiful.
The thing is that Aliens looks like an action movie from the 80s. Alien on the other hand looks like a timeless masterpiece.
SirButterstick
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The thing I hate about Aliens is that Cameron made the xeno less threatening than it was portraed in the first film. They were more like pests that overwhelmed with numbers rather than a cunning predator.
It isn't a flaw... unless you compare it to Alien. Which is bloody God tier film making.
Also my biggest problem with it. If I recall correctly, you only ever see three aliens on screen at one time as well. So the swarming aspect isn't quite as great as it could be.
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