Prometheus holds up very well 13 years later

Yet I don't understand why Charlize Theron and Idris Elba characters have to go for a random shag half way through the film. Just wasn't needed in the film.
 
Windle Poons said:
Yet I don't understand why Charlize Theron and Idris Elba characters have to go for a random shag half way through the film. Just wasn't needed in the film.
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In the olden days of 2010s, people still had sex in the movies. In Alien: Earth we have a brother and sister protagonist just to make sure it doesn't happen.
edit: I don't even remember that scene. Shaw does too but that's actually a plot point. Again, the movie could've been improved in the edit.
 
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Windle Poons said:
Yet I don't understand why Charlize Theron and Idris Elba characters have to go for a random shag half way through the film. Just wasn't needed in the film.
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Cheap excuse to leave the bridge unattended so those two idiots who got lost could be killed without being able to radio for help or anyone being aware what happens to them.
 
ValiantInstance said:
This is because of Ash. Ripley outright refuses to let him back on the ship until Ash overrides her because of Weyland Yutani's primary directive.
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Since she had authority over the decision it was her responsibility to make subordinates fall in line. It is most embarrassing that they do not even attempt to enforce even the most rudimentary quarantine once the foreign lifeform enters the ship.

Weyland-Yutani Corporation only shows up in the sequel set a lifetime later. It is a nameless company in Alien. Nostromo is a United States deep space mining vessel. Ash confers with Mother.
 
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There are a few dumb scenes in it - mostly "lazy movie logic"-like scenes where someone is trying to touch something in order for something shocking to happen, or running into the wrong direction and then getting puished for it, but if you can just ingnore those scenes, then it's a very good and very interesting movie with some pretty good alien-esque athmosphere in it.

Covenant was a really good follow-up that ended on a pretty awesome cliffhanger, but unfortunately it doesn't look like a 3rd, final film is gonna be made.
 
It was one of the first movies were they went full with that crossmedia shit. James Franco character was cut off the movie entirely, Guy Pearce almost entirely, Charlize Theron motivations etc. I believe that this one has more than 30 deleted scenes + the an entire YouTube series out of the main movie.

it's one of old Ridley Scott problems. He shoot movies for a 3-4 hours cut that gets gutted on editing.

As a result the script doesn't make sense. That and some real dumb choices of the crew kills the movie for the most parts.

That said, I like this one way more than Covenant. Specially the entire engineering and Alien Lore parts.

Everyone talks about the biologist working with the cobra thing, but no one talks about the maniacal assassin Android in Covenant telling the ships captain "Here... take a lot inside this shady as f* alien egg that I created"
 
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Cheap excuse to leave the bridge unattended so those two idiots who got lost could be killed without being able to radio for help or anyone being aware what happens to them.
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I feel like that's Alien writers in a nutshell nowadays.

Prometheus:
Writer 1. "How do we fuck it up for these guys?"
Writer 2. "Bow chicka wow wow!"

Alien: Earth:
Writer 1. "How do we fuck it up for the ship?"
Writer 2. "Bow chicka wow wow!"
 
Ellis said:
Everyone has different preferences. Can't say I'd ever personally choose this over Alien or Aliens, but you obviously see something decent a lot of us do not.
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I just love the scale/scope of this one, the setting, more info on weyland yutani, and I'm a sucker for all sci fi movies that go into the 'where do humans come from' philosophical type questions. This one hit all the right notes for me, but I wasn't a fan of covenant.
 
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"Bow chicka wow wow!"
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I wasn't 100% on what movie Prometheus is as I've never seen it, so my thought process was "Is that the one where they run in a straight line instead of diagonally?" and I think that's as much as I need to remember based on things I've seen and heard over the years. I'll be honest: this thread hasn't done much to change my mind.
 
I had some problems with Prometheus (mainly how stupid most of the characters were), though I did like it. The trouble was that some of what I liked needed a strong follow-up, and I really don't think Covenant succeeded as that follow-up. Covenant simultaneously seemed to be a reaction to some of the "not enough Xenomorph" criticism of Prometheus, while also doubling down on the character stupidity. It also literally took a dump on the intriguing Engineer element from Prometheus, which kind of retroactively made Prometheus worse.
 
I respect Prometheus for its visuals and ideas, but Covenant is way better.
The part between the infection and David saving the crew is the best Alien since 1979.
And overall it's a very mean and lean movie. Love the foreshadowing when the alien bites the camera...

Also the captain wouldn't know or assume that something will explode out of the egg. Neither did Kane. It's a good example of dramatic irony, which Covenant abuses to a great (and hilarious) extent.
 
SirKicksalot said:
I respect Prometheus for its visuals and ideas, but Covenant is way better.
The part between the infection and David saving the crew is the best Alien since 1979.
And overall it's a very mean and lean movie. Love the foreshadowing when the alien bites the camera...

Also the captain wouldn't know or assume that something will explode out of the egg. Neither did Kane. It's a good example of dramatic irony, which Covenant abuses to a great (and hilarious) extent.
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Covenant was much worse than Prometheus, in my opinion. I rewatched Prometheus for the atmosphere and visuals, but Covenant was one and done for me.

Covenant did the Alien 3 trick of killing off a main character before the movie starts, presumably because the actor would not sign up for this make-it-up-as-you-go-along bullshit.

The part in Covenant where the bad android gets stabbed through the face, to clearly ID him as the bad android, but then it's completely forgotten and the stupid woman believes he's the good android. That annoyed me so much, I will never watch it again.
 
Visually it's a masterpiece. Everything else is fine. It's the third best Alien movie in my eyes but I am one of the few who enjoyed the 4th as well. I hate the third one. Its so shit in my eyes and its atmosphere is fcking trash. At least the 4th is on a cool space station.
 
It is another Hollywood example of everyone turning up to work except the writers. Anyway I went in cold so when Theron appeared I naturally assumed she was going to be our lead and became increasingly perplexed as that failed to materialise. Scott's a peerless cinematographer but I can't help but feel that is too often wasted.
 
I would rank them:
Alien=Aliens>Alien Romulus> Alien 3> Prometheus> Alien Covenant> Alien Resurrection.

Prometheus is worth a watch but it's the last one worth watching in my list.
 
Things I 'member going through my head when I first saw it in the theater:

-Amazing, realistic visuals
-The Engineers created us? Interesting
-"Father..." Charlize Theron says as I wonder why I'm supposed to care
-Why is Guy Pearce in bad old guy makeup?
-These scientists are idiots
-Intense alien abortion scene--best scene of the movie
-I don't much care for those Engineers
-Android Fassbender wants to be God. I actually appreciate that tying into The Engineers-created-us idea
-Nobody sees the shady shit David is up to?
-Run to the side, ya dumb bitch
-Hey, it's the Alien!

So I guess it's actually pretty memorable, but, like Alien:Earth, so much wasted potential.
 
wipeout364 said:
I would rank them:
Alien=Aliens>Alien Romulus> Alien 3> Prometheus> Alien Covenant> Alien Resurrection.

Prometheus is worth a watch but it's the last one worth watching in my list.
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I am shocked you liked Romulus so much. Narrative and characters seemed super weak to me. Most of the supporting cast was downright dislikable.

If I had to rank them:
Aliens >>> Prometheus > Alien > Covenant > Resurrection > Romulus >>> Alien 3

P.S. I hate Alien 3 for retroactively ruining the ending of Aliens so I know I am super biased about it.
 
I liked it. My favorite Alien movie after the first two.

My only complaint were the Engineer aliens. Wish they looked more strange like the pilot suit and less humanoid.
 
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If I had to rank them:
Aliens >>> Prometheus > Alien > Covenant > Resurrection > Romulus >>> Alien 3
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Prometheus better than the original movie?

I honestly don't think there's any reason for the Alien films to exist beyond the first two. Those were great, the rest are kind of trash.

(Ripley is part alien! Now there's a giant alien baby! Aliens were created by a pissed-off android! People were created by the black goo from the X-Files!)

They're milking it like Disney Star Wars, and it only spoils the memory of the two good instalments. One classic horror, one classic action film, and then a ton of uninspired cash-ins and pretentious nonsense. A goddamn TV series too? Hey, why not!?
 
NeverYouMind said:
I am shocked you liked Romulus so much. Narrative and characters seemed super weak to me. Most of the supporting cast was downright dislikable.

If I had to rank them:
Aliens >>> Prometheus > Alien > Covenant > Resurrection > Romulus >>> Alien 3

P.S. I hate Alien 3 for retroactively ruining the ending of Aliens so I know I am super biased about it.
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There were problems with it (Romulus) but I thought it had some great visuals and the world felt like it belonged in the same universe as Alien 1 to 3.

The problem with Prometheus is it doesn't feel like the same universe. Everything looks wrong and while covenant tries to course correct the train was already to far off the rails.

Resurrection to me is garbage. There was no need to bring Ripley back and for me it ruins what otherwise might be an ok movie. I saw it in the theater and I remember really disliking it.

I also saw Alien 3 in the theater and thought it was shocking and enjoyed it, it was no Aliens but honestly Aliens to me is one of the greatest movies ever made. In retrospect it has some serious problems but that prison colony felt like it was part of the universe and killing off everybody was a bold move; if only they had not chickened out with resurrection.
 
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no it doesn't. The supposedly smart characters are all stupid doing stupid things.

It's not the worst because aliens: earth manages to dial retardedness into 11.
 
Still love Prometheus and Covenant, loved the direction it took the series.

Screw the haters

Only thing I didnt like is that Covenant didnt go further into the engineer lore and home world
 
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Prometheus better than the original movie?
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It is to me. It has better pacing and supporting characters are better realized. In the original Ripley was a fish swimming against the current of cardboard cutouts performing their designated tasks. I am also not a stickler about franchise-wide lore inaccuracies.

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Resurrection to me is garbage. There was no need to bring Ripley back and for me it ruins what otherwise might be an ok movie. I saw it in the theater and I remember really disliking it.
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It is garbage but still entertaining like a comic book adaptation.
 
I really enjoyed Prometheus. I'm not a particular fan of the aliens, as I don't find them all that interesting. I did love the whole engineer thing, and visually, it's beautiful.
 
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I am shocked you liked Romulus so much. Narrative and characters seemed super weak to me. Most of the supporting cast was downright dislikable.

If I had to rank them:
Aliens >>> Prometheus > Alien > Covenant > Resurrection > Romulus >>> Alien 3

P.S. I hate Alien 3 for retroactively ruining the ending of Aliens so I know I am super biased about it.
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Romulus was and is quite forgettable. I can barely remember it and I watched again yesterday.
 
Sulaco said:
Not true, she refused to let them on board with an alien life form, but Ash broke the chain of command and let them in for his own nefarious reasons.

Ripley is probably the smartest well-written sci-fi hero of all time. (in the first two movies at least)
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Since she had authority over the decision it was her responsibility to make subordinates fall in line. It is most embarrassing that they do not even attempt to enforce even the most rudimentary quarantine once the foreign lifeform enters the ship.
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@ NeverYouMind, She could hardly restrain an android from pulling a lever. Once Dallas was back on board he was in command again and the matter was closed. Ripley was seen as the bad guy by the rest if the crew.

Agreed on the quarantine failures from there on.
 
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