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You're wasting your time. Big One doesn't, in fact, speak English. He speaks a variant of your typical human communication in which every statement he makes is correct in some context. If you point out the fact that he said something that was wrong, he'll just argue that the meaning of his statement was misconstrued and actually, he meant something else, regardless of how unlikely it was he meant it that way based on what he said.

In other words, cognitive dissonance hurts him so much he literally won't accept anything that's incompatible with being right. For example, you're pointing out something about him backing up his argument by telling you what "most fans" think, but he's talking about a literal different subset of "most fans," regardless of how little sense that makes.

I just wanted someone to post this again.
 
I have no idea what you're saying, which brings me to another point: given the high rate of people "misreading" your posts, maybe it's your English skills, not everyone else's reading comprehension.
That's because you've gone on record on straight up refusing to read any of my posts. There is no doubt that you're misreading everything I say, and if not, you're interpreting it differently than intended. If I say "Most people accept Robin is the most developed character in One Piece" I would ASSUME that people would realize I'm not talking about the masses. There is absolutely no reason to be using that point otherwise.
 
That's because you've gone on record on straight up refusing to read any of my posts. There is no doubt that you're misreading everything I say, and if not, you're interpreting it differently than intended. If I say "Most people accept Robin is the most developed character in One Piece" I would ASSUME that people would realize I'm not talking about the masses. There is absolutely no reason to be using that point otherwise.

I've love for you to find this record.

But really, nobody ever reads your posts right according to you. It's hilarious how every time you're proven wrong you go out of your way to speedpost to conform your old, incorrect statements with whatever information proved that wrong.
 
I don't care about Sai. He got embarrassed by the Sauce once and then the next time we came to him for action was about 200 chapters later? I have no reason to care at that point.

Fucking opinions m8te. I actually liked his character and despite Kishi's constant negligence he's a good character. He's been through some heavy shit, and his confrontation with his brother was meaningful (no matter how brief)

The time for Team 10's growth was against Kakuzu and Hidan. Kishimoto clearly succeeded in showing Shikamaru's growth in the fight against Hidan. This made perfect sense. What didn't make any sense? Why Ino and Choji couldn't have got a chance to take on Kakuzu and beat him in the end. Why the fuck was Kakashi even there? For no reason in particular that was a necessity when it came to the story. Choji and Ino got completely sidelined and became paperweights/liabilities to Shikamaru and Kakashi. And then Kakashi couldn't even finish the fight! Who did? Oh of course, Naruto to save the day with a one shot Rasengan. Lame. Very lame.

Again, it wasn't so much growth, Asuma was just a character tool to show how much they'e grown. With Chouji's newfound confidence and power (Choji was definitely not confident in himself right after Asuma died.) Did you forget that Kakashi was their replacement team leader? What the fuck did you expect, the 3 of them chasing against Kakuzu by themselves? Yes I am well aware the Kakuzu fight was shit, but you're livid if you think Ino and Choji in their current form could stand against Kakuzu and Kakashi is a jobber lol.

Team 10's growth needed to come at a time when their master had gotten slayed. Shikamaru's character arc was fine, but there was no need for Kakashi to fight Kakuzu and for Naruto to be the on that finished him off at all.

Again, I agree with this but I had no problem with Kishi finalizing Ino and Choji's character growth during the war arc. You're literally just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.

By the time it happened in the war, I didn't care about them because Kishimoto didn't care enough to give them their proper shine at the right time.

Its the opposite for me. I didn't really care for them interrupting Naruto's training arc (though for a good reason!)

Much prefer Naruto's moveset over seeing Neji or Lee?
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Lol get over yourself bro. You'd much prefer seeing Neji or Lee as the main lead as opposed to Naruto? Ok thats fine, but outright implying that the 2 of them are significantly than Naruto is absurd. Have you fucking seen Naruto's jutsu list? Its massive. Yes many of them are Rasengan derivatives but he's a wide variety of "flash" and fun jutsu (including forms) that make his fights interesting. I recall you said you feel the same way about Sasuke. Lee only has Taijutsu and he's flat out inferior to Guy. (Unfortunately, this ends up making his character redundant battle-wise) as for Neji. I didn't like his fighting style upon inception and I sure as hell don't like it now. ((2 jutsus + taijutsu max)







what you mean how the kage summit pretty much erased sasuke's realization as he activated amaterasu when he fought killer b. Perhaps, you mean the good development that's happened with sakura in the earlier parts of part 2. maybe, the good character development is naruto hyperventilating at the kage summit. Where is this good character development for the main characters. Im not even gonna bring up chouji somehow regressing at the beginning of team 10 vs asuma.

Sasuke's "realization" was rushed, hamfisted bullshit. There is no indication that he gives a FUCK about Juugo, Karin or Suigetsu. I actually facepalmed when Kishi showed as that he did. Him disregarding them was one of the best decisions he's ever made. Naruto hyperventilating at the kage summit is my greatest bane. I couldn't defend it IF I TRIED, but Kishi rectifies this with positive character development that I addressed earlier. Chouji regressing? Um no, his actions and thoughts were perfectly normal (and expected) so I hardly see this as regression.

And the top it off, these minor "hiccups" are the main reason you think Part II Naruto is trash?
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I've love for you to find this record
It's going to be difficult to find but I'm pretty positive you straight up refused to read my explanation for reading Naruto/Bleach despite explaining very clearly the reason after trying to make a point of, "WHY YOU READ NARUTO/BLEACH IF YOU THINK THEY SUCK?" Stat Flow can back me up on this one for sure.

But really, nobody ever reads your posts right according to you. It's hilarious how every time you're proven wrong you go out of your way to speedpost to conform your old, incorrect statements with whatever information proved that wrong.
Well I assume Wiseblade did not cause not a single one of those posts, in context, really used "It's popular so it must be right" argument. Matter of fact the statement was there more-so to display that I find it strange that there is an opposing opinion, rather than saying their opinion is irrelevant because "it's popular." I believe the first response was to someone saying Robin was paper-thin/cardboard cut out in response to my tier list.
 
That's because you've gone on record on straight up refusing to read any of my posts. There is no doubt that you're misreading everything I say, and if not, you're interpreting it differently than intended. If I say "Most people accept Robin is the most developed character in One Piece" I would ASSUME that people would realize I'm not talking about the masses. There is absolutely no reason to be using that point otherwise.

What the fuck. So by saying "most people" you actually don't mean most people and just the people who agree with what you say? How in the fuck is anyone supposed to read your mind across the internet to decipher that?
 
What the fuck. So by saying "most people" you actually don't mean most people and just the people who agree with what you say? How in the fuck is anyone supposed to read your mind across the internet to decipher that?


In other words, cognitive dissonance hurts him so much he literally won't accept anything that's incompatible with being right. For example, you're pointing out something about him backing up his argument by telling you what "most fans" think, but he's talking about a literal different subset of "most fans," regardless of how little sense that makes.

See what I mean? Nothing actually means whatever it plainly says; he just changes the meaning of whatever he wrote to conform with whatever is later determined to be the most correct.
 
As often as he is wrong, I have to say, Robin and Usopp are indeed the best characters (development, believability, personality, arcs) in One Piece.
 
As often as he is wrong, I have to say, Robin and Usopp are indeed the best characters (development, believability, personality, arcs) in One Piece.

They are like the only characters to get a second arc to develop them.

Beside Usopp vs Luffy was an awesome fight
 
What the fuck. So by saying "most people" you actually don't mean most people and just the people who agree with what you say? How in the fuck is anyone supposed to read your mind across the internet to decipher that?
"Most people" is referring to manga critics, manga enthusiasts, true manga fans, aka people who come to this thread often. I assume everyone here fits in this critera, and hence, when I say "most people" I would assume there is no other way to take it but referring to this part of the fanbase. Similar in how saying most people consider Oldboy to be one of the best films of all time, but in that context would be referring to film fans rather than the masses.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing or agreeing with me whatsoever.
 
Okay I guess I found the worst moment for this but I just finished Sanctuary. Fucking wow. I felt that the ending was a bit rushed but I guess it made sense in the story and I'm glad the author wasn't afraid to take such a route.. Fantastic read, absolutely recommended. Is there anything similar out there?
 
Okay I guess I found the worst moment for this but I just finished Sanctuary. Fucking wow. I felt that the ending was a bit rushed but I guess it made sense in the story and I'm glad the author wasn't afraid to take such a route.. Fantastic read, absolutely recommended. Is there anything similar out there?

We need to get God's Beard in here for manly hugs and discussion stat
 
"Most people" is referring to manga critics, manga enthusiasts, true manga fans, aka people who come to this thread often. I assume everyone here fits in this critera, and hence, when I say "most people" I would assume there is no other way to take it but referring to this part of the fanbase. Similar in how saying most people consider Oldboy to be one of the best films of all time, but in that context would be referring to film fans rather than the masses.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing or agreeing with me whatsoever.

- manga critics
- people who post here

You gotta pick one.
 
Okay I guess I found the worst moment for this but I just finished Sanctuary. Fucking wow. I felt that the ending was a bit rushed but I guess it made sense in the story and I'm glad the author wasn't afraid to take such a route.. Fantastic read, absolutely recommended. Is there anything similar out there?

God's Beard will be along shortly to provide your brohug.
 
Okay I guess I found the worst moment for this but I just finished Sanctuary. Fucking wow. I felt that the ending was a bit rushed but I guess it made sense in the story and I'm glad the author wasn't afraid to take such a route.. Fantastic read, absolutely recommended. Is there anything similar out there?

How many times did you cry?

Anyway if you want something with manly tears, I think something like Kaiji is comparable?
 
We need to get God's Beard in here for manly hugs and discussion stat

Wait, I'm taking exploding my shirt off and lamenting the death of my fallen comrades.

survivor said:
How many times did you cry?

Anyway if you want something with manly tears, I think something like Kaiji is comparable?

I cried several times. Lost count around the time Segawa died.

Tbh I didn't feel it that much when I read it. Also doesn't help that the art is absolutely atrocious.
 
Usopp is Rock Lee done right.

Hard work and effort CAN make a difference.

Usopp is actually nothing like Rock Lee. Usopp (eventually) realizes his limitations and strengths. He finally understands his position in the crew and doesn't strive to be somebody he's not.

Rock Lee's the old "hardwork can surpass a genius" archetype, but kishi seems to have sidelined him hehe. (to be fair, he was sidelined as early as part I, after Gaara had to save his ass)

He really botched his character :(
 
Fucking opinions m8te. I actually liked his character and despite Kishi's constant negligence he's a good character. He's been through some heavy shit, and his confrontation with his brother was meaningful (no matter how brief)

Are you talking about Sai or Sasuke? Cause if it's the former then lol at you. If it's the latter then I got no problem

Lol get over yourself bro. You'd much prefer seeing Neji or Lee as the main lead as opposed to Naruto? Ok thats fine, but outright implying that the 2 of them are significantly than Naruto is absurd. Have you fucking seen Naruto's jutsu list? Its massive. Yes many of them are Rasengan derivatives but he's a wide variety of "flash" and fun jutsu (including forms) that make his fights interesting. I recall you said you feel the same way about Sasuke. Lee only has Taijutsu and he's flat out inferior to Guy. (Unfortunately, this ends up making his character redundant battle-wise) as for Neji. I didn't like his fighting style upon inception and I sure as hell don't like it now. ((2 jutsus + taijutsu max)

Yeah, having both Lee and Guy is really stupid. They are just bad clones of each other. And Neji's fighting style is pretty mediocre.


Usopp is actually nothing like Rock Lee. Usopp (eventually) realizes his limitations and strengths. He finally understands his position in the crew and doesn't strive to be somebody he's not.

Rock Lee's the old "hardwork can surpass a genius" archetype, but kishi seems to have sidelined him hehe. (to be fair, he was sidelined as early as part I, after Gaara had to save his ass)

He really botched his character :(
Usopp worked hard to overcome his coward act.

Also Kishi ditched the hardwork shit cause it doesn't work. Everyone is a genius in Naruto
 
Usopp is actually nothing like Rock Lee. Usopp (eventually) realizes his limitations and strengths. He finally understands his position in the crew and doesn't strive to be somebody he's not.

Rock Lee's the old "hardwork can surpass a genius" archetype, but kishi seems to have sidelined him hehe. (to be fair, he was sidelined as early as part I, after Gaara had to save his ass)

He really botched his character :(

See, this is why I prefer the Harry Potter magic scheme where nobody has an internal limitation on magic, it's all skill based.
 
CLASSY SMUT DAMMIT
This.
Just saying, Voldemort being good at magic isn't implied to be because he has just has a high magic reserve, it's because he's a fucken genius
He got foiled by a band of teenagers for 7 years in a row.

Harry only manages to get things done because PLOT ARMOR and Hermione carrying his and Ron's useless asses.
 
CLASSY SMUT DAMMIT

they're shit by proxy.

Just sayin' bro, the number of graphically drawn fluids in a given series isn't commensurate with it's worth


He got foiled by a band of teenagers for 7 years in a row.

Harry only manages to get things done because PLOT ARMOR and Hermione carrying his and Ron's useless asses.
That's a value judgment on JK Rowling's storywriting as opposed to the world building, which is what we are talking about.
 
peeps are born with natural skill in harry potter, shit is unfair from the start. Squibs, Nevilles, and girls.



the fuck you know brah
I don't agree with that at all. Neville sucked at magic because he had no confidence and was legitimately stupid. It's not so different as real life; some people ARE smarter and more talented than others, but it's not for a literal physical capacity to be good at say, electric guitar.
 
That's a value judgment on JK Rowling's storywriting as opposed to the world building, which is what we are talking about.
Let's not forget magic makes no sense in Rowlingverse whatsoever.

It's only slightly better than Tolkien magic in that there's some semblence of technique and logic behind it (except there really isn't and it's all an illusion.)
It's not so different as real life; some people ARE smarter and more talented than others, but it's not for a literal physical capacity to be good at say, electric guitar.
Some people are just better at math than others, or music, or art, or writing, etc.

There are genetic variations in brains as well as bodies.
 
Let's not forget magic makes no sense in Rowlingverse whatsoever.

It's only slightly better than Tolkienmagic in that there's some semblence of technique and logic behind it (except there really isn't and it's all an illusion.)

Tolkienmagic is real magic. All mystical and eagles and shit.
 
But I think all Korean manga is shit so..
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dresden getting called out!
Tolkienmagic is real magic. All mystical and eagles and shit.
SONGS OF POWER.

RINGS OF POWER.

WORDS OF POWER.

SWORDS OF POWER.

POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER.

I like how Luthien, not even a fucking maia, managed to put Melkor to sleep. Wtf hax.

I love The Lay of Beren and Luthien.
 
So what you are saying is that Hermione can kill Voldemort?

Hermione wasn't as talented as Voldemort and she didn't spend a lot of time studying dark magic, either.


Let's not forget magic makes no sense in Rowlingverse whatsoever.

It's only slightly better than Tolkien magic in that there's some semblence of technique and logic behind it (except there really isn't and it's all an illusion.)

Some people are just better at math than others, or music, or art, or writing, etc.

There are genetic variations in brains as well as bodies.
It doesn't make sense in what regard? Because we aren't told how it explicitly works? Magic. The point is more that we're never told Voldemort or anything else got by on a physical capacity for magic which exceeded that of anyone else, he was just a twisted genius. In other words, no MP meters.
 
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dresden getting called out!

Lol, why would I care? Korean comic scene died with the censorship laws like a decade ago. It doesn't help that people seem intent on bringing the trashiest shit over, stuff like anything Im Dal Young, etc.
 
It doesn't make sense in what regard? Because we aren't told how it explicitly works? Magic.
In that there is no sensible explanation for how arbitrary wand movements and words in faux-latin can have a 1-1 correlation with spells.
pfft, Hermione is the smartest person alive in the Potter universe
Hermione was so overpowered.
It's only shit when it's not about Hiramaru
So like, the entire manga?
 
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