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ViewtifulJC
Banned
MMA is just boring as fuck to me. Where are the suplexes and stone cold stunners!?
Speaking of which, has anybody seen the WWE Top 25 Matches of 2011 list?
25.) Cody Rhodes vs. Rey Mysterio, Wrestlemania XXVII
Seems about right. Arguably even the best match that night!
24.) Yoshi Tatsu vs. Tyson Kidd, NXT
This is the Dismembered Action Figure Leg On A Pole Match. Glad to see this feud getting some recognition with its blowoff making the list here. One of the 5 best WWE feuds of the year! There's one other NXT match I hope shows up later, but I doubt it will.
23.) Edge vs. Kane, SmackDown
Oh wow, I can't believe someone else remembered this! I've always thought that this Last Man Standing match was the best match from that opening week of the year, even better than Miz vs. Morrison FCA (which will probably rank higher but oh well). These two vets did great work in this one, creating a lot of drama with minimal risk even with a normally over-the-top stipulation.
22.) CM Punk vs. The Miz vs. Alberto Del Rio, TLC
The awesome triple threat TLC match scores a place on the list. No complaints yet.
21.) Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes, SmackDown
The first of what I hope is many Orton matches on this list. This match saw the end of the Grotesque Cody Rhodes character, and he went out with a classic. I remember this match tearing the house down that night, and by the end, Cody may have lost, but he had also arrived.
20.) The Miz vs. John Morrison, Raw
This is that Falls Count Anywhere match from the first show of the year I mentioned earlier. Great stuff.
19.) SmackDown Elimination Chamber Match, Elimination Chamber
WHOA, this one is a little underrated. I expected Top Ten! The Raw one better not be higher! Edge vs. Rey to close this bad boy out absolutely stole the show.
18.) Randy Orton vs. CM Punk, Extreme Rules
I'm glad that this one got recognized over their WM match. The second LMS match on the list! Orton grew so much as a face in this feud, and I bet a few matches higher up on this list will show the fruits of that labor.
17.) Alberto Del Rio vs. Rey Mysterio, Raw
A somewhat forgotten match, amidst all the Punk/Cena/ADR/Trips/Nash stuff, these two went out and put on their usual clinic, and sent Rey packing for the rest of the year.
16.) Randy Orton vs. Dolph Ziggler, Raw
A fantastic meaningless (though dramatic!) free TV match. I'd swap this and Orton/Rhodes, but no complaints for getting it on the list.
15.) Mark Henry vs. Daniel Bryan, SmackDown
The cage match. Such a refreshing alternative to the usual WWE template match. Kudos to both guys for the best Big Man vs. Little Man match in ages, and possibly the best finishing move all year.
14.) Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett, TLC
I feel that this is the first true misstep on this list. A good match, but not Top 25 material. Sorry guys.
13.) CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, Capitol Punishment
Top Ten material IMO. I'm eager to see what bumped it! The best match from a technical standpoint in WWE in 2011 IMO.
12.) John Cena vs. The Miz vs. John Morrison, Extreme Rules
The second cage match on the list! These three defied expectations that a 3-way cage match with escape rules would be really stupid, and put on a classic.
11.) Mark Henry vs. Big Show, Vengeance
A bit overrated due to the unusual finish, IMO. Putting this over Henry/Bryan is a shame. Still, this was FAR better than their Survivor Series match, and I'd have no problem with it a lot lower on the list.
10.) SmackDown Money in the Bank Ladder Match, Money in the Bank
A great choice, and IMO the better of the two MitB matches that night. I bet the other one shows up higher though.
9.) Edge vs. Dolph Ziggler, Royal Rumble
A little overrated but definitely Top Twenty material. Just like how Cody arrived in his loss to Orton, this is where Ziggler proved he belonged as a main-eventer.
8.) The Rock/John Cena vs. The Awesome Truth, Survivor Series
Umm, no. Top 50 maybe, just for the spectacle, but #8? Please.
7.) Royal Rumble match, Royal Rumble
A bit overrated, but definitely belongs on the list. Rumbles are (almost) always must-see!
6.) Christian vs. Alberto Del Rio, Extreme Rules
Extreme Rules with its 3rd showing on the list! Kind of an underrated PPV. This one definitely belongs here.
5.) John Cena vs. Rey Mysterio, Raw
Rey's second match that night, and his best all year. A dream match sort of encounter you thought you'd never see, and they delivered. Best Raw match of the year IMO.
4.) Raw Elimination Chamber Match, Elimination Chamber
Highly disagree with this ranking. If you swapped the Chamber matches on the list I think we'd be much more in line with reality. Definitely belongs on the list though.
3.) Randy Orton vs. Christian, Over the Limit
Definitely belongs in the Top Five, but I am utterly shocked that no other match from this feud made it. The Summerslam match was better IMO, and the SmackDown match to start the feud belonged as well. No qualms about this placement, but wow, only one?
2.) CM Punk vs. John Cena, Money in the Bank
Uh oh, I was hoping this wasn't #2, because now we know what #1 is...
1.) The Undertaker vs. Triple H, Wrestlemania XXVII
I think we've all had about enough of the debate about this match, but I think even its staunchest supporters would agree that it has no place topping Cena/Punk. Interesting that WM only places on the list twice, at #1 and #25. Even WWE knows it was a sub-par WM! I bet they shoehorned Cody vs. Rey on here just to get WM on the list a second time.
Speaking of which, has anybody seen the WWE Top 25 Matches of 2011 list?
25.) Cody Rhodes vs. Rey Mysterio, Wrestlemania XXVII
Seems about right. Arguably even the best match that night!
24.) Yoshi Tatsu vs. Tyson Kidd, NXT
This is the Dismembered Action Figure Leg On A Pole Match. Glad to see this feud getting some recognition with its blowoff making the list here. One of the 5 best WWE feuds of the year! There's one other NXT match I hope shows up later, but I doubt it will.
23.) Edge vs. Kane, SmackDown
Oh wow, I can't believe someone else remembered this! I've always thought that this Last Man Standing match was the best match from that opening week of the year, even better than Miz vs. Morrison FCA (which will probably rank higher but oh well). These two vets did great work in this one, creating a lot of drama with minimal risk even with a normally over-the-top stipulation.
22.) CM Punk vs. The Miz vs. Alberto Del Rio, TLC
The awesome triple threat TLC match scores a place on the list. No complaints yet.
21.) Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes, SmackDown
The first of what I hope is many Orton matches on this list. This match saw the end of the Grotesque Cody Rhodes character, and he went out with a classic. I remember this match tearing the house down that night, and by the end, Cody may have lost, but he had also arrived.
20.) The Miz vs. John Morrison, Raw
This is that Falls Count Anywhere match from the first show of the year I mentioned earlier. Great stuff.
19.) SmackDown Elimination Chamber Match, Elimination Chamber
WHOA, this one is a little underrated. I expected Top Ten! The Raw one better not be higher! Edge vs. Rey to close this bad boy out absolutely stole the show.
18.) Randy Orton vs. CM Punk, Extreme Rules
I'm glad that this one got recognized over their WM match. The second LMS match on the list! Orton grew so much as a face in this feud, and I bet a few matches higher up on this list will show the fruits of that labor.
17.) Alberto Del Rio vs. Rey Mysterio, Raw
A somewhat forgotten match, amidst all the Punk/Cena/ADR/Trips/Nash stuff, these two went out and put on their usual clinic, and sent Rey packing for the rest of the year.
16.) Randy Orton vs. Dolph Ziggler, Raw
A fantastic meaningless (though dramatic!) free TV match. I'd swap this and Orton/Rhodes, but no complaints for getting it on the list.
15.) Mark Henry vs. Daniel Bryan, SmackDown
The cage match. Such a refreshing alternative to the usual WWE template match. Kudos to both guys for the best Big Man vs. Little Man match in ages, and possibly the best finishing move all year.
14.) Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett, TLC
I feel that this is the first true misstep on this list. A good match, but not Top 25 material. Sorry guys.
13.) CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, Capitol Punishment
Top Ten material IMO. I'm eager to see what bumped it! The best match from a technical standpoint in WWE in 2011 IMO.
12.) John Cena vs. The Miz vs. John Morrison, Extreme Rules
The second cage match on the list! These three defied expectations that a 3-way cage match with escape rules would be really stupid, and put on a classic.
11.) Mark Henry vs. Big Show, Vengeance
A bit overrated due to the unusual finish, IMO. Putting this over Henry/Bryan is a shame. Still, this was FAR better than their Survivor Series match, and I'd have no problem with it a lot lower on the list.
10.) SmackDown Money in the Bank Ladder Match, Money in the Bank
A great choice, and IMO the better of the two MitB matches that night. I bet the other one shows up higher though.
9.) Edge vs. Dolph Ziggler, Royal Rumble
A little overrated but definitely Top Twenty material. Just like how Cody arrived in his loss to Orton, this is where Ziggler proved he belonged as a main-eventer.
8.) The Rock/John Cena vs. The Awesome Truth, Survivor Series
Umm, no. Top 50 maybe, just for the spectacle, but #8? Please.
7.) Royal Rumble match, Royal Rumble
A bit overrated, but definitely belongs on the list. Rumbles are (almost) always must-see!
6.) Christian vs. Alberto Del Rio, Extreme Rules
Extreme Rules with its 3rd showing on the list! Kind of an underrated PPV. This one definitely belongs here.
5.) John Cena vs. Rey Mysterio, Raw
Rey's second match that night, and his best all year. A dream match sort of encounter you thought you'd never see, and they delivered. Best Raw match of the year IMO.
4.) Raw Elimination Chamber Match, Elimination Chamber
Highly disagree with this ranking. If you swapped the Chamber matches on the list I think we'd be much more in line with reality. Definitely belongs on the list though.
3.) Randy Orton vs. Christian, Over the Limit
Definitely belongs in the Top Five, but I am utterly shocked that no other match from this feud made it. The Summerslam match was better IMO, and the SmackDown match to start the feud belonged as well. No qualms about this placement, but wow, only one?
2.) CM Punk vs. John Cena, Money in the Bank
Uh oh, I was hoping this wasn't #2, because now we know what #1 is...
1.) The Undertaker vs. Triple H, Wrestlemania XXVII
I think we've all had about enough of the debate about this match, but I think even its staunchest supporters would agree that it has no place topping Cena/Punk. Interesting that WM only places on the list twice, at #1 and #25. Even WWE knows it was a sub-par WM! I bet they shoehorned Cody vs. Rey on here just to get WM on the list a second time.
Uno Venova
Banned
Right now wrestling is really watered down but I still love the business and have great memories.
With MMA the thrill of a brutal fight and a roaring crowd
is so much fun. But what I don't like with UFC is the same I didn't like with boxing, you can pay money on a PPV and get a ton of shitty matches with too much hugging and quick knockouts.
With MMA the thrill of a brutal fight and a roaring crowd
(this is something wwe doesn't have)
And they had Daniel Bryan/Dolph Ziggler as last year's joint number one! They must have tied Joey Styles to a chair and locked him in a cupboard.
For my money, both Rey/Cody and Orton/Punk were better matches on the same card.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Watching the AWA documentary that WWE put out on Netflix right now. Really really good. Love all the history and old footage. Verne Gagne was so awesome in the ring.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
LOL @ this from the Punk/Cena write-up:
"For the first time in a long time, WWE fans had no idea what would happen next."
WWE.com passive-aggressively hating on WWE booking!
"For the first time in a long time, WWE fans had no idea what would happen next."
WWE.com passive-aggressively hating on WWE booking!
DKehoe
Member
I can understand the complaint that fights can end too quickly but I'd say that in some ways it can be a good thing since it means that everything matters in MMA. A big wrestling match isn't going to end in the first few minutes but with MMA you can be totally engrossed from the moment it starts because the end could come out of nowhere.
British Monsoon
Member
Personally I much prefer shoot-style wrestling to MMA - it's got the sports-like presentation, a load of stiff strikes and a more realistic approach to submission wrestling, but as it's worked it's much easier to write in the storyline, psychology and excitement that makes wrestling so great. That being said, shoot-style wrestling done badly (IGF) is usually god-awful and with the rise of MMA it's become less popular (despite helping kick off the whole trend back in the 80's).
spindashing
Banned
Chris Jericho commented about the speculation of him returning and once again he's spoken against it. He said:
Someone asked JR, and he responded
Although the internet has been pointing to the vignettes hyping a Jericho reveal, what if this wasn't Chris Jericho? Who else can this be? I've been trying to guess a wrestler fits the description of having been in the WWE before and could make his return.
Jericho's twitter said:
Someone asked JR, and he responded
JR's twitter said:
Although the internet has been pointing to the vignettes hyping a Jericho reveal, what if this wasn't Chris Jericho? Who else can this be? I've been trying to guess a wrestler fits the description of having been in the WWE before and could make his return.
Phoenixazure
Member
Woot! Going to my first show tomorrow! (Raw Holiday Tour at MSG) Any tips , or things i should know of , whats a good time to show up to get in?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Random news:
- Punk going to Smackdown would be hilarious but would actually give the WHC a lot more legitimacy.
- The Network is gonna be a train-wreck early on, probably botches all over the place. I'm definitely subscribing.
- Pre and post game shows for RAW and Smackdown sound like a great idea.
- Punk going to Smackdown would be hilarious but would actually give the WHC a lot more legitimacy.
- The Network is gonna be a train-wreck early on, probably botches all over the place. I'm definitely subscribing.
- Pre and post game shows for RAW and Smackdown sound like a great idea.
Keyser Soze
Member
Barack Lesnar
Banned
context? I know that's fedor. did he get injured bad?
NihonTiger90
Member
Again, Undertaker.
Combat sports on the whole, or just those two?
Uno Venova
Banned
DKehoe
Member
No, he recovered like it was nothing and won the match about 30 seconds later
HarryDemeanor
Member
It's obvious the "It Begins" promos are for Brodus Clay. The guy hasn't had a return promo for a month or two.
Shadowlink
Member
Hopefully today's Raw episode is good for the marks in this thread..... Oh, you guys will still complain about it anyways. #heel
British Monsoon
Member
Dusty tweeted this;
"Cody and me Vs. Goldust , T-Book"
That's a match I could get behind for WrestleMania. Although I'd have Goldust turn on Booker and then Dusty, Dustin & Cody form a new heel faction called 'The Rhodes Family'.
"Cody and me Vs. Goldust , T-Book"
That's a match I could get behind for WrestleMania. Although I'd have Goldust turn on Booker and then Dusty, Dustin & Cody form a new heel faction called 'The Rhodes Family'.
Shadowlink
Member
I've been wondering why they didn't use Goldust at the PPV when after Cody attacked Booker T. They used to be Tag Team partners so it would make sense. It would have been awesome too!
spindashing
Banned
T-Book...
And no, Bootay. I want to see some more CLASSIC BOOKER T AND GOLDUST.
True. I guess that's a possibility.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
is he trying to say book it, or is he talking about booker ?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's just going to be stupid boring Undertaker returning for the 27th time or whatever. He was cool when I was a kid, not now. Although I still act like a kid but it's not the same
British Monsoon
Member
No, he's talking about Booker, according to Dusty; "I always called Mr Brooker T T Book it made him smile" Even the way Dusty types makes me :lol
spindashing said:
Screw that, Dusty as the manager, IC champ Cody & Dustin to feud with Air Boom for the tag straps!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
That suplex gif just made me cringe.
worldrunover
Member
I didn't mind the list of 25 matches from WWE although I agree Taker/HHH isn't #1 (and we get to see it again this year most likely, goody). I seem to recall a Christian-Orton match from the summer that was on I believe Smackdown (maybe Raw) inside a steel cage that was just fan fucking tastic. I'm surprised that match didn't make the list.
I couldn't even think of any other ones. But, like, if two people willingly got into a fight in a bar, they'd be arrested. So what's different? lol
Keyser Soze
Member
Jan 2 is too early for Taker. He cannot come in then, and stay interesting for three months all the way to Mania. The Monday after the EC PPV is the earliest that is right to re-debut him. Also, Kane has not even had a PPV match yet, and bringing back Taker before than happens makes Kane a bit pointless.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
You're making a lot of sense. It's prob Jericho then
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
the gaming commission and legal repercussion?
funkystudent
Member
with raw ratings where they are I think I'd be ok with a title switch but moving punk to smackdown would annoy me.
I hate watching smackdown. the super edited crowd always puts me off no matter how great the matches are.
I still think moving Cena over to SD would be a smart thing to try for a few weeks. Smackdown could use the ratings from the Cena crowd AND raw could be better without that shadow always there.
Heck Swap ortan and cena.
I would be ok with Ortan on Raw again. He can atleast be in more then 1 kind of feud and Ortan loses clean every now and again.
oh and WWE need to stop pretending Taker vs HHH was the best match ever.
it was a ok match with 2 brawlers. The build up was meh and the match was just ok. The entire thing just lacked any magic or intensity to it.
Also a lot of takers best matches have been with high flyers or at least people in the middle like HBK who can pull out a head scissors and a moonsault when he has to.
Taker+HHH cant do shit other then spam finishers and every once and a while swap finishers
Even HBK vs Taker 2 was pushing it... but atleast it was saved by great promo work by HBK and having a 4 month build for the match
and this promo vid was awesome as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BtwZJ6-ltg
I hate watching smackdown. the super edited crowd always puts me off no matter how great the matches are.
I still think moving Cena over to SD would be a smart thing to try for a few weeks. Smackdown could use the ratings from the Cena crowd AND raw could be better without that shadow always there.
Heck Swap ortan and cena.
I would be ok with Ortan on Raw again. He can atleast be in more then 1 kind of feud and Ortan loses clean every now and again.
oh and WWE need to stop pretending Taker vs HHH was the best match ever.
it was a ok match with 2 brawlers. The build up was meh and the match was just ok. The entire thing just lacked any magic or intensity to it.
Also a lot of takers best matches have been with high flyers or at least people in the middle like HBK who can pull out a head scissors and a moonsault when he has to.
Taker+HHH cant do shit other then spam finishers and every once and a while swap finishers
Even HBK vs Taker 2 was pushing it... but atleast it was saved by great promo work by HBK and having a 4 month build for the match
and this promo vid was awesome as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BtwZJ6-ltg
Keyser Soze
Member
I think we will find out tonight who it is going to be. Although the videos have been super vague, WWE always kinda spill the beans before the reveal happens. At the very least, there should be a big hint in one way or another for the video they air tonight
I think the last saveus_222, that aired the week before he came back, pretty much confirmed Jericho during the run up his last return
Net_Wrecker
Member
Well there are a bunch of rules in place and a referee there to make sure guys don't get killed...I'd say those are huge differences. It's nobody's fault but the person in question if they don't tap when they're compromised.
And people cringing at the gifs, I hope you aren't conveniently forgetting all the nasty wrestling injuries and bumps throughout the years. Hell, pro wrestling has more dangerous neck bumps in a few months than MMA has in an entire year.
Professor Beef
Banned
Jericho did this exact same thing, vehemently denying everything right up until his reveal, the last time he came back too. Doesn't really mean much one way or the other.
British Monsoon
Member
This weeks CHIKARA Podcast-A-Go-Go features an excellent full match from the CHIKARA Cibernetico show in Easton, PA last month;
Chuck Taylor vs Fire Ant - (CHIKARA 11/12/11)
Man, Chucky-T is so awesome. If he wasn't such a scrawny bastard I'd love to see him get on TV.
I'm not particularly bothered with who's at fault, I'd just rather not watch something where someone's going to potentially get their arm snapped.
Wrestling has a lot of nasty looking and plain unsafe bumps, but at least the participants know they're taking the bump, have time to prepare and the option to simply say "no, I'm not doing that". I mean look at that suplex gif up there - sure, the guy was fine afterwards, but that was so crazy unsafe you wouldn't even see the stiffest Japanese wrestlers throw a suplex quite so dangerously reckless.
And yeah, I'm aware of the irony of a guy who watches a ton of death-match wrestling not wanting to watch MMA because of the potential for serious injury.
Chuck Taylor vs Fire Ant - (CHIKARA 11/12/11)
Man, Chucky-T is so awesome. If he wasn't such a scrawny bastard I'd love to see him get on TV.
Net_Wrecker said:
I'm not particularly bothered with who's at fault, I'd just rather not watch something where someone's going to potentially get their arm snapped.
Wrestling has a lot of nasty looking and plain unsafe bumps, but at least the participants know they're taking the bump, have time to prepare and the option to simply say "no, I'm not doing that". I mean look at that suplex gif up there - sure, the guy was fine afterwards, but that was so crazy unsafe you wouldn't even see the stiffest Japanese wrestlers throw a suplex quite so dangerously reckless.
And yeah, I'm aware of the irony of a guy who watches a ton of death-match wrestling not wanting to watch MMA because of the potential for serious injury.
Buckethead
Banned
*cue Undertaker music*Heavy said:
Booga T: OH SNAP IT'S DA UNDATAGGAAA
Other commentator: The Deadman has been sidelined since that brutal match with Triple H that everyone but the fans think was the best in Wrestlemania history
*Undertaker takes off hat, eyes rolled back of head*
*Punches, opponent downs Taker once just so he can sit up... punches... Old School, Irish whip - Taker duck and reversal... Chokeslam, Tombstone... 1-2-3*
Boogaloo T: DAMN DA UMPABAKER KILLT HIM
Other commentator: That's right Booker - the Deadman is back with a vengeance and he's got his eyes on that World Heavyweight Title
*Followed by a month of squash matches and another injury*
REPEAT
Net_Wrecker
Member
That's fine, and totally acceptable. It's not for everyone and I get that.
True, but there are guys in MMA that could go years, potentially their whole career, without ever landing on their neck like that gif. Think of all the nasty tiger, German, half nelson, exploder, and dragon suplexes you've seen, specifically in strong style matches. Every one of those has the potential to go just as bad as that suplex gif did, not to mention the neck + spine wear and tear over years of doing it.
And I wasn't going to point out the death match irony, but I'm sure dream would if he popped in :lol
Barack Lesnar
Banned
NihonTiger90
Member
Keyser, that was what I thought at first. But what if Jan. 2, we only see that Taker is being revealed to be at WM but does not return?
The only other option is the idea I came up with before, where since he has no WM opponent, he pulls something a la 1997 Sting and spends each week "scouting" possible opponents for his match (where as Sting was scouting to see if WCW was a worthy side in the fight against the nWo), only to give a promo saying he could find no mortal soul worthy of the honor before his opponent is revealed after EC.
Professor Beef
Banned
And then Sting comes down from the rafters with a bat and smacks Taker, right?
I think, technically speaking, amateur wrestling, kickboxing, judo, karate, etc. etc. also qualify as 'combat sports.' I could go on for a while, just listing alll those. Each has professional tournaments and leagues and all that jazz.
The two guys in the ring - or octagon - are professionally trained athletes. Rules are in place to prevent too much damage being done (no knees or kicks can be thrown at a downed opponent, for example). There's medical staff on hand. If anyone gets badly cut, if anyone gets a broken bone, if anybody passes out, gets knocked out, or concedes defeat, the fight is over and the injured party is immediately attended to.
Essentially, combat sports are heavily regulated in an effort to make them as safe as possible. It's highly improbable that either party will die or get seriously injured, but they're well aware of what they're getting into. A bar fight is, well, a bar fight.
I agree the it begins is for Jericho I believe. One the last video the kid's notebook had the name chris crossed out and also that maple leave that quickly comes and goes.
Also, Chris Jericho tweeted he not coming back meaning I see you guys next monday. Though we will most likely the person today.
Mr. Enigma
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Alvarez:
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