Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This

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Madoka panders to people who like faux-intellectual meta commentary.

Basically, classy nerds.
Noirulus said:
And I thought that they can't turn into witches in the alternoverse? Because she definitely had that whole witch-power thing going on.
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They can't, and she didn't. In the storyboard for that final scene there was a little arrow pointing to the
wings that said: "evil looking":

Unless you're the type that likes to completely segregate a story from authorial intent, it is literally "looks cool man".
 
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I know, right? It seems like these girls get a whole new outfit (or two or more) every episode, which is more than I can say for most shows. This show might not have great animation but the character designs are nearly always detailed, as opposed to simple. The only part of the outfit that really stays the same is the hair.

Oh yes, the content. Wherein we girls talk about boys, boys talk about girls and 'shock' boys and girls talk to each other. As I said in my last 'review' I feel that the shows strengths are elsewhere. The acting and character chemistry has always been stronger than the writing itself and it certainly shows itself here with Kate and Herve 'chatting'. Even though Kate is supposed to be a main character we, bizarrely, have more information about Herve, including his whole life story and all his motivations. Kate, in contrast, is some girl who isn't very good at participating in a society and she seems fairly shy. Hmm.

There's also something really off about this whole plot tangent. Okay, so
Herve is trying to learn more about the Animus by getting close to Kate. This, I understand. He achieves this letting her see him at dinner and then getting her to come out with him and two chaperones. Okay, first of all, Herve is something like 10 years older than Kate, so why would Kate's sister allow Herve to come along? The age gap is creepy and then experience gap that goes along with it is dangerouns. She doesn't know anything about Herve except that he's attractive and grew up her boyfriend. That's not a good reason to let him come along to a dinner and introduce himself.

If that wasn't bad enough, by the end of the night she leaves Kate and Herve alone. That's right, she abandons her teenage sister to an older man she barely knows and leaves them both in the middle of the city. What? This is the complete opposite of the 'believable' writing that was going on earlier.

I know I've mentioned this subtext before, but this show is filthy. I can only wonder where this will all lead? -

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Anyway, a couple more things to note. The background art looks god-awful here. The sky, the colour of the sky but mostly the city. Wow.

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I don't really want to make a big deal of this but, the only black character in the show is that one detective (neither of the detectives are developed characters and their screentime so far has been pointless) and that's it. There's quite a large cast of white people and then:

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Gonzo, keeping it real.
 
Jexhius said:
So it's like Bakemonogatari, except the fanservice is girls suffering?
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Yep!

I like how you and jexhius had the exact same thought and you're not even done with Bake yet.
 
Jexhius said:
I don't even know what his means. Perhaps you could explain it.
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There are moe elements, there are moe character archetypes, and moe visual design. The show uses the "moe" as it can be objectively defined as an element of media to its advantage in order to pander to the audience that traditionally eats it up. Add in some faux-intellectual bullshit, and you have yourself a show that will pander to an otaku's need for the cute AND their need to be intellectually "superior" to their more "normal" peers. You ever wonder why it's popular around here? :P
 
doomed1 said:
There are moe elements, there are moe character archetypes, and moe visual design. The show uses the "moe" as it can be objectively defined as an element of media to its advantage in order to pander to the audience that traditionally eats it up. Add in some faux-intellectual bullshit, and you have yourself a show that will pander to an otaku's need for the cute AND their need to be intellectually "superior" to their more "normal" peers. You ever wonder why it's popular around here? :P
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The most popular show of 2011 was popular here too? Shocking.
 
Noirulus said:
Madoka 10 - 12

It was a fun ride, not much I can say other than that. As one explanation came after another, it became a little bit less interesting, but at least we didn't get a
Super happy
ending. That would've killed the plot.

Music and art were the series' strong point, as well as the conflict between characters regarding the contract.

Though was it just me or did the characters look off a lot of the times in the first few episodes?

Anyway, i'm interested to watch the movie that's supposed to introduce a new story.

What was up with Homura fighting those monsters in the middle of a desert at the end, though?
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At the time, I thought it implied that
there was no way to break out of the cycle of suffering, and the demons created by Madoka's wish were too powerful for magical girls to stop, so they leveled everything and multiplied, and Homura would fight them to the end. A real downer.

But given the Blu-Ray changes to Mami's room, I'm changing my answer to:

Haly said:
Looks cool man.
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doomed1 said:
There are moe elements, there are moe character archetypes, and moe visual design. The show uses the "moe" as it can be objectively defined as an element of media to its advantage in order to pander to the audience that traditionally eats it up. Add in some faux-intellectual bullshit, and you have yourself a show that will pander to an otaku's need for the cute AND their need to be intellectually "superior" to their more "normal" peers. You ever wonder why it's popular around here? :P
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When did we start talking about K-on?
 
K-ON has no faux intellectual bullshit though.

It is just cute girls doing cute things with dash of mono no aware from start to finish.
 
Noirulus said:
And
miracles. how do they work.
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Fueled by the entropic energy of the possibility loop created by Godoka popping into existence.

These were the kind of deep debates that we had in the official Madoka thread, along with the posting of borderline NSFW fanart. More of the latter than the former.
 
doomed1 said:
There are moe elements, there are moe character archetypes, and moe visual design. The show uses the "moe" as it can be objectively defined as an element of media to its advantage in order to pander to the audience that traditionally eats it up. Add in some faux-intellectual bullshit, and you have yourself a show that will pander to an otaku's need for the cute AND their need to be intellectually "superior" to their more "normal" peers. You ever wonder why it's popular around here? :P
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When someone asks what you mean by "moe principles", I don't think "moe moe moe" is a helpful answer.
 
Noirulus said:
Madoka 10 - 12

It was a fun ride, not much I can say other than that. As one explanation came after another, it became a little bit less interesting, but at least we didn't get a
Super happy
ending. That would've killed the plot.

Music and art were the series' strong point, as well as the conflict between characters regarding the contract.

Though was it just me or did the characters look off a lot of the times in the first few episodes?

Anyway, i'm interested to watch the movie that's supposed to introduce a new story.

What was up with Homura fighting those monsters in the middle of a desert at the end, though?
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After episode 3, 10-11 were the highlights of the anime for me. That is what the entire anime should have been about.
 
Haly said:
Madoka panders to people who like faux-intellectual meta commentary.

Basically, classy nerds.

They can't, and she didn't. In the storyboard for that final scene there was a little arrow pointing to the
wings that said: "evil looking":

Unless you're the type that likes to completely segregate a story from authorial intent, it is literally "looks cool man".
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oooo. Didn't see that edit, that would make sense.



Jexhius said:
It's like, up to your own interpretation and stuff.
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She's god and you can hear her, but she can't appear before you and stuff
 
Pandering is not a negative word for all intents and purposes. Madoka was made to appeal to a demographic, just like all other shows are. Using the word pandering in a deprecating manner changes it from being a show that otaku will like to a show otaku will buy, but these are not exclusive. And really, anime is a business, so everything is pandering to someone.
 
sonicmj1 said:
When someone asks what you mean by "moe principles", I don't think "moe moe moe" is a helpful answer.
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he went into the show proclaiming it was bad, hes not going to back down now

but what do I know
I wouldn't know moe if it was naked and onii san something something
 
If I remember well, Urobuchi said of that final Puella Magi Madoka Magica scene that
it was a bit of an homage to the end of the first Blade movie: the fight goes on in other regions of the globe, and that's pretty much it. Even the "evil-looking" wings weren't his idea, if I'm not mistaken.
I guess you could use some of the notes from the production material to justify them though: the "Beasts" (the new enemies) are supposed to be male / logical / digital entities, as opposed to the female / chaotic / analog witches (... and magical girls like Homura, by extension?).
 
Erigu said:
the "Beasts" (the new enemies) are supposed to be male / logical / digital entities, as opposed to the female / chaotic / analog magical girls and witches.
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So what you're really saying is, girls are crazy and bad at computers?
 
Kindaichi Case Files 1
I really don't think I have the gumption to watch two long running detective shows. Looked interesting, though.
 
Working'!! 10

Another Inami focused episode that wasn't terrible. And one where I didn't hate Takanashi. So good going show!

But, the short bits with Yamada were still the best parts of the episode.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
You are a stronger man than I.

Have you seen Kemonozume? While I'd be loathe to actually recommend it to anyone, maybe you can watch a few seconds so we can hate it together!
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I saw the first episode of Kemonozume a while back.

I didn't get the feeling that Yuasa was staring at me through my TV with a smug look on his face (or sometimes masturbating in full view when things get really bad) like I do with the other things of his, it was kinda cool I guess. It was still largely repulsive visually speaking though, but I could appreciate the work that went into it. Too bad those poor talented animators got stuck with Yuasa and his fugly scribble show.
 
You know, Bakemonogatari is actually a meta-otaku piece of commentary that carefully examines and explored various 'female archetypes' found in anime through self-aware humour.

Then is exploits them for the purposes of fanservice.
 
doomed1 said:
There are moe elements, there are moe character archetypes, and moe visual design. The show uses the "moe" as it can be objectively defined as an element of media to its advantage in order to pander to the audience that traditionally eats it up. Add in some faux-intellectual bullshit, and you have yourself a show that will pander to an otaku's need for the cute AND their need to be intellectually "superior" to their more "normal" peers. You ever wonder why it's popular around here? :P
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If that had been the goal of the series you would have loved it to death.
 
Jexhius said:
You know, Bakemonogatari is actually a meta-otaku piece of commentary that carefully examines and explored various 'female archetypes' found in anime through self-aware humour.

Then is exploits them for the purposes of fanservice.
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And we eat it up. And feel no shame for doing so.

That is the power of SHAFT.
 
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