Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This

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Its amazing how many things in anime I have overlooked that this forum has pointed out. Some of it I dont even remember.
Like the series Ai Yori Aoshi. I love it to death. One of my favorites ever. I'm sure GAF would tear it to shreds.

I've said it before, but Ai Yori Aoshi is a horrible, horrible series, and Aoi has got to be one of the worst, most sexist Yamato Nadeshikos ever.

Bamboo blade really is a great series and i recommend it to pretty much everyone.
Unless you completely hate moe, in which case you are dead to me anyway.

This, however, is true. Watch Bamboo Blade, it's a great anime.

This has been the first I have seen some of these episodes myself, well most of them really. I had seen bits and pieces of the show and after having now watched it in it's entirity over the past week or so, and my god that's a lot of viewing, I can safely say I had never have seen any of the second or third seasons before. Honestly, while the first and second seasons were alright the third was really lacking, it was just off. Well, like most animes it makes ranking shit easy as it's in a simple order, YUA Ova, YUA season 1, YUA season 2 and YUA season 3, imagine that!

I will say this though, Full Throttle may suck ass as a season but that ED is a glorious display of Yuri, if Miyuki ever tires of waiting on Nakajima and decides to just hook up with Natsumi I approve 110%.
I haven't rewatched it yet, but I don't remember Full Throttle being bad at all... it was nice to finally see a new actual season of the show, and it seemed to basically be the same thing the first two seasons were.

Of course, that meant that there still was no real plot development, I'm pretty sure, but ... well, it was YUA-like, certainly.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Everything is sexist to you! Ah, well, the show is kinda sexist but there are males in their division if you actually pay attention and the motorcycle cops are also in the same division, hence why they share the office, they're just on bikes instead of cars. I figured you'd have come up with something more damning like the shitty heels they make the girls wear despite being on patrol or something and instead it's the male to female ratio but I digress, it wouldn't be a A Black Falcon post if it were totally on the mark. :) Truthfully I'd be disappointed too.
No, it's most certainly sexist, you're just either in denial or are trying hard to not see it. It's pretty obvious stuff.

As for the heels and dresses -- yes, their uniforms are stupid. I do think it'd make a lot more sense if they had normal police uniforms, not those. They are in cars most of the time though, not on foot, so it isn't quite as bad as it otherwise would be.

But anyway, sure there are men in their division, on motorcycles at least, but seriously, most of their division is female, while almost everyone we see in the criminal or science divisions are male. Also, all of the higher officers I can think of, including their boss, etc, are male. Maybe that's a realistic depiction of Japan today (or in the '90s) -- female police officers are shunted into the lower-profile traffic division -- I don't know, but whether it's based on reality or made up for the series, it is sexist as depicted.

As for ability, the entire Traffic Department is goofballs, it's not just the women that aren't in Criminal Affairs but none of the men in the Traffic Department would handle it anyways, they're all the lovable goofballs of the show dealing with lighthearted shit, it'd be a total tonal shift of the show if Miyuki and Natsumi had to fight some drug dealers on their first patrol and then after finding a rape victim during their night patrol try and amateurishly lure the rapist onto one of them but failing because Natsumi drank to much culminating in someone having to shoot the rapist leaving Miyuki emotionally scarred. It just... wouldn't work. I mean, sure, maybe part of the reason the author didn't put them their was for sexist reasons but you know it's just as possible, if not more actually, if the author just didn't want to tell that fucking story. He had his good natured characters that just wanted to help the community and he didn't want to darken them with the shit that really goes on in the police world. The author was already bending the truth well enough with mere traffic and petty crime offenders but the show would seriously lose everything if it'd tried to throw these well meaning lovable characters against Yakuza, drug dealers, pimps, rapists and murderers. I mean, seriously, everything about the show would not work. The characters are good natured and lovable, you'd be hard pressed to find me a character that'd do what needed to be done because it had to be done, Miyuki and Natsumi load their guns up with paint rounds for fuck's sake. And then there's the theme of the show, that they can overcome injustice by just trying hard no matter their ability. It's one thing to let a car thief slip by for a few nights or a serial mugger but a murderer? A Rapist? In the actual show you can shrug it off, so some cars got damaged and the civilians are mad, it's just a car, you have insurance, the tone would be drastically different if now instead of having your character deal with the near non-threatening blow to their pride at having heard of a joyrider driving yet again and damaging something you had to have the characters show up at a morgue to examine a body because they had had an argument and in a moment of lapsed judgement let a murderer escape, it just wouldn't be the same show.
On that note, it's kind of funny that there aren't any anime crime dramas that I can think of, they're one of the most popular TV show genres in the US at least. Are they not popular in Japan, or are they just not popular with anime audiences? It's probably because everything has to star high school students. That also rules out lawyer shows, obviously. :)

That is, something like that show you describe there would indeed be something quite different, but who knows, it could be good. :)

[Edit]And Natsumi and Miyuki are constantly recognized as the best of their department by getting almost every single big case. They're not giving it to the men in the station! Sexists![/edit]

So the characters are not being held back for sexist reasons but for story reasons. And of course the author's built those reasons into the story itself, they just want to help people and they can do that where they are, they like their place and that's that. You even see that Natsumi has chances to move along to bigger and better things but comes back, the characters like each other and their job. It's that simple and it's because of the story.

In summary STOP LOOKING TOO HARD. Sometimes things that seem sexist aren't sexist it's just not the story they wanted to tell.
I'm not looking too hard, not in the least. It's thrown in your face in almost every episode, it'd be almost impossible to miss it.

As for the rest of this... yes, Natsumi and Miyuki are clearly the best in their division by far, and yeah they have been recognized for it. Are they stuck in their current position anyway for story reasons or for sexist ones? Well, I'll agree that it's mostly for storyline reasons -- as has been said, YUA does not allow actual plot development, ever -- but sexism probably plays a part in it too, sure. Why did they end up in that division to begin with, for example? I'm sure they were good in the academy too... I know, the answer is "so that the plot would work as is, with them as competent members of a lovably incompetent division. Still, it does stick out sometimes. Like, how they seem to solve the detective guy's cases for him most of the times he appears in the series with one, whether they were supposed to or not... the only exception I can think of is that time early in S2 that the new girl solved one of those by accident. Apart from that they do it, but it doesn't seem to get them much.

Of course, I know that this is probably one side effect of the show's entirely progress-free nature, the other major one being that none of the relationships ever actually become anything, but still, it is worth mentioning.
 
Kill Me Baby 1

The show features what is very obviously a kugiloli who isn't actually voiced by the kugi and as a result every time she opens her mouth it just sounds wrong. In addition, the thing is pretty darn unfunny and simply not very engaging at all. I do like the ninja girl, though. I think the safer approach will be to watch clips of her on youtube.

The ED is also strangely catchy, I'll give it that.
 
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I'm going to hate Shinji aren't I?

Shinji might be the template for whiny spineless protagonists but he's not completely one dimensional as opposed to all the copycats that came before after.

He's really annoying a lot of the time though. Out of all the stereotypes that Eva gave birth to, I hate the spineless hero the most.

EDIT: goddamit, after AFTER
 
Shinji might be the template for whiny spineless protagonists but he's not completely one dimensional as opposed to all the copycats that came before.

He's really annoying a lot of the time though. Out of all the stereotypes that Eva gave birth to, I hate the spineless hero the most.

How did Evangelion invent Amuro Ray?
 
Randomc has writing? I thought it was just a wall of screencaps.

I've read RandomC for about half a year. It's one of the most popular anime blogs on the internet and it largely consists of screenshots, short summaries and then some very bland opinion about a particular show. It's a very 'light' blog because most of the people who engage in anime discussion on the internet don't want to engage in any criticism of their works, or so it would seem. I suppose that doesn't make it 'awful' but it's largely a pointless exercise.


Complex discussion, I see it pointless too. In one aspect that's me waging some shitty war against vanity, in the other; I feel as if actual discourse--and I mean legitimate discussion--is so very uncommon in western circles because the actual availability of weaboo legible material is so very low. You have the occasional translations, and translators that can filter down information, yeah, but even then it's all so second-hand in a sense. It's just not comfortable ground.

I can, and do, talk on things such as story structure, and OSTs as an independent unit, because those are the only things I feel possible to get grasp of in a, from my point of view, largely niche art form that still feels very foreign.


The problem with the Randomc entries is not the levity of the criticism, but that much of the criticism is hidden beneath summaries of what happened in the episode in the most banal of language. Like "A happened and B-kun felt like this so B-kun went to C place" and such.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that they're great writers, I'm just saying that what they fill is a convenient niche--the summaries being part of that. Language, effectiveness, reach etc...etc... could all stand to be improved even still.
 
Wait a sec, that's not a dubbed name.

The dubbed name is Serena.

Neon Genisis Evangelion - 02

That's some insightful ceiling watching. I didn't like how they cut away from Shinji getting his arse whooped, just to focus on his ceiling watching but at least it came back to the events that happened, unlike what happened in [C].

Steroyd:

Re: Rei.

Yay,

or

Nay?

Dat bandage fetish?

I've only seen like 10 seconds of her, but I'm going to guess she's the emotionless get the job done type.
 
I go with yay.
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The Aniplex import releases (Kara no Kyouhai, Fate/Zero) have pretty ridiculous prices. $370 for 13 episodes? I don't think so.

Didn't Bandai have DVDs that were like $30+ for one episode? Yeah.

Prices havent ever been too ridiculous i the states.
They used to be slightly high but no big deal.
You have a very odd concept of what "not too high" is then, for US-released DVDs.

It's pretty bizarre how commonplace this kind of thing has become. How often does that happen to historical figures in your country? In Japan it's constant!

It is, but I'm fine with that, those shows can be amusing. :)

He hasn't watched the rest of the episodes either, where the backstory behind why he even joins the damn student council is shown.

I said it already, but after-the-fact excuses don't take back what's already been shown, not really!

I'm sorry what!? All it is, is showing that there's more to him than just being a pervert, where the heck is the sexisim in that? It'd be more sexist if the one guy was absolutely useless surrounded by nothing but girls who get shit done and being anything other than an overt pervert with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
That would be sexist too, sure, but isn't the concept of the guy doing all the work while the girls don't, and don't complain or say anything while he does everything for them, also clearly sexist? Yes it is.

No, seriously, I don't understand how you get sexism from that. I'm reading it and I don't understand where's the offense is at all.
Guy does all the work while incompetent girl "president" does nothing.

There's a bit more to it than that, but that's probably the core of it.

Well yes, it is an explanatory video on the use of the term "sakuga". Icarus asked about it, so I linked it.

If you weren't curious, there is no reason to watch it.
Are you just saying that you like detailed animation, though, or is the point actually that that makes shows good all on its own? Because I wouldn't agree with that, the animation quality doesn't mean much compared to, say, the writing, script, what's happening on screen (events-wise I mean, not animation)...
 
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Plugsuit Rei is best Rei.

Are you just saying that you like detailed animation, though, or is the point actually that that makes shows good all on its own? Because I wouldn't agree with that, the animation quality doesn't mean much compared to, say, the writing, script, what's happening on screen (events-wise I mean, not animation)...
I like detailed animation.

And animation can carry a show, yes, depending on the viewers' tastes. Hell, I don't even need good animation, just good character designs.
 
Kill Me Baby 1 - Uh, unfunny JC Staff animu with a Kugiloli isn't voiced Kugimiya. This is like... uhm.... Nichijou but not being funny which is actually ... imposible? Sorry, my brain is probably damaged by the awesome OP/ED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er5DDXi68qo&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A4KlH1S9_co

Symphogear 1 - This is actually pretty good. Yuri, aliens and mahou shoujo dark magika. A potentially enjoyable show this season.


Four hours 'till the nisemonocalypse!
 
The dubbed name is Serena.

Neon Genisis Evangelion - 02

That's some insightful ceiling watching. I didn't like how they cut away from Shinji getting his arse whooped, just to focus on his ceiling watching but at least it came back to the events that happened, unlike what happened in [C].

No, that part is excellent. You're factually wrong.
 
I haven't rewatched it yet, but I don't remember Full Throttle being bad at all... it was nice to finally see a new actual season of the show, and it seemed to basically be the same thing the first two seasons were.
It's weird, they all have the same humor but the OVA and first season somehow had the characters the most lifelike, the second seemed to lose something but was close enough to the first but the final season was as if they just were stuck in a groove. Also they made Miyuki look really bitter all the time.
Of course, that meant that there still was no real plot development, I'm pretty sure, but ... well, it was YUA-like, certainly.
That's another weird thing about YUA actually. In the first season it all but sets up development for everyone, everyone gets an interest, some go further than others but even between Miyuki and Ken it's made pretty damn clear is that all he has to do is ask at this point so it's not like there's no progression but then, then the next two seasons come out and they're like "shit, how the fuck do we stretch this shit out now" and opposed to doing anything competent they just, well, they don't talk about it. Natsumi and her mountain climbing guy just, well, it's no longer an issue because they just don't talk about it come the third season, Nakajima who had all but proposed to Kobayakawa is all of a sudden sent back to the "does she even like me at all stage" it's really weird, like an alternate dimension. It's not slow pacing it's outright butchering the past storyline.
No, it's most certainly sexist, you're just either in denial or are trying hard to not see it. It's pretty obvious stuff.
Nope!
As for the heels and dresses -- yes, their uniforms are stupid. I do think it'd make a lot more sense if they had normal police uniforms, not those. They are in cars most of the time though, not on foot, so it isn't quite as bad as it otherwise would be.
Here's lesson one! Clothes are not inherently sexist. I think the uniforms are the most "sexist" thing in the show but they're not sexist on their own. Clothes are a cultural thing, when man evolved we did not evolve already wearing clothes that were explicitly deemed for us by some higher power. It's all cultural. Fate essentially has girls wearing skirts. Now, sure, you can say there's a kind of sexism by putting them in that but it's not really. Many girls see female clothing as female, most guys see female clothing as female, it's not sexist. Now in this day and age, sure, not having everything unisex might be seen as sexist but not having clothes made for women specifically would also kinda be sexist. At some point you have to step back from the ledge and recognize that men and women are different and that when choosing a uniform you're going to never be able to make everyone happy. So, yes having a separate male and female uniform is sexist but it is not the kind of harmful sexism that's worth bitching about.

Something you have to then question is how effective are their uniforms for their job? I would say not very effective. Now, I'm not in a position to say whether this is sexist or not because I don't get to see what the male traffic department's uniform looks like. In the first season you can actually see some of the guys in the department but in the later seasons they're not there at all, just the motorcycle cops and of course their uniform would be different as they're exposed to the elements so I can't say if their uniform was sexist or not. But remember, police by nature deal with the public and for a lot of places were essentially always in "dress uniform." I reckon that in the States we've seen a faster move away from this than other countries since we have so many violent crimes and the like but perhaps in Japan it's different but not all police uniforms are actually design with the job in mind. But anyways, if the men are in normal uniform and the girls are stuck in their dress uniform to show some leg then sure, that's sexist, the problem is you can't see the guys well enough to tell and I'm pretty fucking ignorant about Japanese police uniforms, maybe you, since you've read a lot of Japanese books know more about it than I?
But anyway, sure there are men in their division, on motorcycles at least, but seriously, most of their division is female, while almost everyone we see in the criminal or science divisions are male. Also, all of the higher officers I can think of, including their boss, etc, are male. Maybe that's a realistic depiction of Japan today (or in the '90s) -- female police officers are shunted into the lower-profile traffic division -- I don't know, but whether it's based on reality or made up for the series, it is sexist as depicted.
I swear to you in the first season there are men, not motorcycle cops, in their division, you can tell because they're not wearing the scarves and their uniform is a bit different. They're only in large background scenes so I can forgive you for not seeing them but they're there. In season two Tsujimoto transfers to the Special Assault Unit that is headed by a female. I assume that this is meant to be their version of a SWAT Team or something similar so having both a woman in charge of it and one of the main characters be admitted to it is rather non-sexist I imagine. Perhaps the "special assault unit" is code for fast women who can catch purse snatchers or some shit so that it can fit into your sexist impression? I mean, she, Tsujimoto, was also training with the JDF as part of that unit at the start of the third season but that was probably to learn how to effectively make coffee for your boss with nothing but a mess kit and matches, right?
That is, something like that show you describe there would indeed be something quite different, but who knows, it could be good. :)
It might be good but it wouldn't be You're Under Arrest.
I'm not looking too hard, not in the least. It's thrown in your face in almost every episode, it'd be almost impossible to miss it.
You are taking the absence of overt equality and equating it with sexism when that's not true at all, that's looking for it.
As for the rest of this... yes, Natsumi and Miyuki are clearly the best in their division by far, and yeah they have been recognized for it. Are they stuck in their current position anyway for story reasons or for sexist ones? Well, I'll agree that it's mostly for storyline reasons -- as has been said, YUA does not allow actual plot development, ever -- but sexism probably plays a part in it too, sure. Why did they end up in that division to begin with, for example? I'm sure they were good in the academy too... I know, the answer is "so that the plot would work as is, with them as competent members of a lovably incompetent division. Still, it does stick out sometimes. Like, how they seem to solve the detective guy's cases for him most of the times he appears in the series with one, whether they were supposed to or not... the only exception I can think of is that time early in S2 that the new girl solved one of those by accident. Apart from that they do it, but it doesn't seem to get them much.
Why would sexism play a part in it? Why wouldn't sexism play a part in it? the truth is either could happen just the same but when you assume without seeing anything, well, you know what they say about assumptions. In many police divisions you have to start as a traffic cop. You saw them plop down into the traffic division and instantly saw sexism, this is silly, most likely everyone started there. Why are there more women than men then? Who knows? Perhaps more women applied that cycle? Perhaps it was the result of a sexist but well meaning attempt at attracting more female officers for the unit because at the time prior it had been considered too male oriented and they wanted a different demographic? Who fucking knows? Who cares? Until you see Miyuki and Natsumi wanting to move on and being unable to because they're women there's nothing sexist there. And while, in the show, Natsumi and Miyuki are great cops in a way, the reality way, they're fucking terrible! They destroy shit left and right, Natsumi misses half her shift every day, they never follow orders, you're taking a show that's entirely unrealistic and then trying to fit it into the mold of the real world and crying about fictional characters doing fictional shit not getting promoted where in real life they'd have been fired! I mean Jesus fucking Christ if you're going to bring real world rules into it like expecting there to be more women then why not real world performance expectations too? How you can pick and choose which realities of the real world to apply to a show and which to ignore I have no idea, it's insane. Truthfully, everyone in the traffic division is a fucking goofball, including all the main characters. Now sure, their police spirit gets them through some cases but they're all terrible cops. It would actually make sense if that division is where they banished people based on personality and not sex. lol. Another thing you're missing is time on the force. Haven't they only been partners now for a year or so? Why are you expecting such a huge seachange in such a short amount of time? That's another thing that doesn't happen in real life! It's not sexist it's seniority! You've gotta wait for people to retire and shit before you just start moving up in the ranks man. It's not like the Chief's exactly flying up the ranks either, Nakajima's still the same old motorcycle cop, come on.
Of course, I know that this is probably one side effect of the show's entirely progress-free nature, the other major one being that none of the relationships ever actually become anything, but still, it is worth mentioning.
Not really worth mentioning, no.
 
Fuck it. 2 cups of coffee later and I am fucking down for some Nise.

The dubbed name is Serena.

Neon Genisis Evangelion - 02

That's some insightful ceiling watching. I didn't like how they cut away from Shinji getting his arse whooped, just to focus on his ceiling watching but at least it came back to the events that happened, unlike what happened in [C].

Dat bandage fetish?

I've only seen like 10 seconds of her, but I'm going to guess she's the emotionless get the job done type.
What the hell. They handled that stuff brilliantly.

1 episode into Utena and I already like her. girl has moxie! Gusto!
Oh man, I wish I could watch Utena for the first time again. ;_;
 
Amuro wasn't that spineless, really. Plus he can pilot complicated machinery just from 5 minutes reading a manual. What's Shinji ever done?

Amuro has that 'super robot pilot' ability to pilot his robot instantly. He's also adverse to fighting, for obvious reasons. Of course, that changes over the course of the series.

Shinji
saves the world on numerous occasions.
What the hell. They handled that stuff brilliantly.

I know, right?
 
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Are you the pilot for the robot?

..................Yes

KYAAAAA~~~ Tell us about it!?

It's a secret, but it uses ultra sonic waves and shit.

Let me get this straight, they've been secretly building the Eva for years, they're manipulating the media from seeing it in action, and no-one told Shinji whether to keep it a secret or not?
 
Neon Genisis Evangelion - 03

Are you the pilot for the robot?

..................Yes

KYAAAAA~~~ Tell us about it!?

It's a secret, but it uses ultra sonic waves and shit.

Let me get this straight, they've been secretly building the Eva for years, they're manipulating the media from seeing it in action, and no-one told Shinji whether to keep it a secret or not?



Whoa someone who has no exposure to Eva at all?




Eva spoilers don't read
I can't really tell him it makes sense later since its revealed the entire class is made up of pilot candidates.

seriously don't read.
 
I'm genuinely not that appreciative of that type of cut, although admittedly it was more of the fear that they'd just brush the events off in a sentence and not coming back to it, which was why I mentioned [C].

It's not specifically about one particular cut in one particular scene, it's about establishing a tone and mood for the conflicts between Evangelion Unit's and Angels in the series to come. It's a pretty important device, especially so early on in the series.
 
I'm genuinely not that appreciative of that type of cut, although admittedly it was more of the fear that they'd just brush the events off in a sentence and not coming back to it, which was why I mentioned [C].

Anno is not one to troll his audience like that.
 
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