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Growing up I know I liked Aladdin and Lion King, but as I've grown older, I really have no love for any Disney films (except Lion King, which is sadly ripped wholesale from Osamu Tezuka, which is probably why it's so good).

I love old Disney cartoons, but Disney movies do absolutely nothing for me.

It could be all the damn singing in those movies. I can't stand musicals.
 
Sentry said:
Well if you include Pixar...It gets harder, i.e. classics vs 'pixar classics'. For example I absolutely love Monsters Inc, the Incredibles and finding Nemo, but it's hard to compare to my fans like Mulan, Aladdin etc.

OH, but if you include Fantasia, it's #1 above all, the 1942 version (not 2k). I used to watch that as a kid (like 4-6?) every day, the evolution and dinosaur scene especially made its mark on me.
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Yes, that Rite of Spring bit is so powerful. I watched it again recently and I was just in awe.

That poor stegosaurus :(
 
StateofMind said:
Up is actually really good.
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Totally forgot about Up! Loved it, despite not being a total fan of the bad guy and everything.. I loved The Incredibles though, the humor and adventure of it all. Oh, and Wall-E, can't forget that one.

Pixar really has had so many back to back hits it's astonishing when you think about it.

Steamlord said:
Yes, that Rite of Spring bit is so powerful. I watched it again recently and I was just in awe.

That poor stegosaurus :(
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Haha yeah, the score was great though, the movie is all about visualization of sound through deep stories that need no words, and surprisingly this is perfect for early children.

Once they get to a stage where nothing can really hold their attention, though, Fantasia isn't so great as a kids film. :(
 
thetrin said:
Growing up I know I liked Aladdin and Lion King, but as I've grown older, I really have no love for any Disney films (except Lion King, which is sadly ripped wholesale from Osamu Tezuka, which is probably why it's so good).

I love old Disney cartoons, but Disney movies do absolutely nothing for me.

It could be all the damn singing in those movies. I can't stand musicals.
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I like some musicals. Fiddler on the Roof, Into the Woods, Annie... that's what bros fucking do.
 
Kitsunebaby said:
Nightmare Before Christmas is on a completely different level for me. I grew up wanting desperately to be Sally and live in Halloween Town.

Alice in Wonderland, though, I really don't care for. I think that's because Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass are my favorite books and the movie just cherry-picked different parts of them and smashed it together, without getting the tones of the books right, imo.
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It's sooooo good. My XBL Avatar has a Jack Skellington costume.
 
Devolution said:
Kind of weird seeing people mention Pixar films, Disney was a distributor for those not a studio.
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Sure, sure, and they were pretty competitive and never on equal grounds by any stretch, but after Disney bought them it basically became Disney within itself.

Now with Tangled being a huge success and it coming out of Disney's animation studios rather than Pixar's animation, it's interesting to see how the future will go and if they'll become competitive again.
 
I just hope we get another 2D Disney film. I was so looking forward to Snow Queen and I would have died if they had actually made Terry Pratchett's Mort.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Up has one of the best/most depressing first 20 minutes of any movie.

ANY MOVIE.
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It definitely was sad to the point of 'wtf this is a kids movie'.. :( It was done well though so that adults know exactly what is going on but kids sort of don't need to know the exact details to 'get it'.
 
Sentry said:
Sure, sure, and they were pretty competitive and never on equal grounds by any stretch, but after Disney bought them it basically became Disney within itself.
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No it didn't. Pixar stayed independent and Lasseter became chief creative officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios on top of already having the same position at Pixar. Pixar changed Disney not the other way around, despite the fact of who purchased whom.
 
Puddles said:
I like some musicals. Fiddler on the Roof, Into the Woods, Annie... that's what bros fucking do.
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And they are welcome to do it. I just can't stand musicals because it slows down the plot. I can stand Opera because things are transpiring during a particular piece.

Usually in a Disney musical, whatever happens within the song could have taken 15 seconds top, and they could have moved on to something more interesting.

On repeat viewings, I just can't watch more Disney films.

That counts for Nightmare Before Christmas. I can't get through that movie. I keep falling asleep. (though that could just be because I think Tim Burton is a total hack)

ShockingAlberto said:
Up has one of the best/most depressing first 20 minutes of any movie.

ANY MOVIE.
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I cried like a fucking BABY during the first 20 minutes of Up.
 
Pau said:
I just hope we get another 2D Disney film. I was so looking forward to Snow Queen and I would have died if they had actually made Terry Pratchett's Mort.
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We still don't know yet if Frozen is traditional or CG. And yeah, Mort would have been awesome.


Devolution said:
No it didn't. Pixar stayed independent and Lasseter became chief creative officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios on top of already having the same position at Pixar. Pixar changed Disney not the other way around, despite the fact of who purchased whom.
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Correct. Pixar's productions are still independent of Disney's.
 
Pau said:
I just hope we get another 2D Disney film. I was so looking forward to Snow Queen and I would have died if they had actually made Terry Pratchett's Mort.
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I love traditional animation. I really wish it would come back into style, instead of all this cg junk that's constantly churned out.
 
Devolution said:
Kind of weird seeing people mention Pixar films, Disney was a distributor for those not a studio.
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It's a gray area.

They were technically not a studio, but a distributor, as you say. But Disney still had a lot of creative control over most of the movies - too much, actually, as that was Pixar's main sticking point when attempting to renegotiate a distribution deal in 2004. Eisner wanted Disney to have even more creative control, Jobs didn't.
 
Kitsunebaby said:
I love traditional animation. I really wish it would come back into style, instead of all this cg junk that's constantly churned out.
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Oh no you didn't.
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*shamelessly stolen from Girl-Gaf thread*
 
ShockingAlberto said:
It's a gray area.

They were technically not a studio, but a distributor, as you say. But Disney still had a lot of creative control over most of the movies - too much, actually, as that was Pixar's main sticking point when attempting to renegotiate a distribution deal in 2004. Eisner wanted Disney to have even more creative control, Jobs didn't.
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No they didn't, I don't know where people are getting this from.
 
Kitsunebaby said:
I love traditional animation. I really wish it would come back into style, instead of all this cg junk that's constantly churned out.
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Couldn't agree more. I've largely stopped watching western animation because it's all CG now. I only check a film now if someone recommends it to me.
 
Kitsunebaby said:
I love traditional animation. I really wish it would come back into style, instead of all this cg junk that's constantly churned out.
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I kiiiind of agree. But it's not that I really hate CG films, but that 2D keeps being left in the dust as not worth bothering with anymore. I would rather there be more of a balance between how many of each come out.
 
Lissar said:
I kiiiind of agree. But it's not that I really hate CG films, but that 2D keeps being left in the dust as not worth bothering with anymore. I would rather there be more of a balance between how many of each come out.
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If what was coming out actually took a lot of effort I would like it, but it's mostly cheap cg with little quality behind it. Still, even really good CG lacks that certain aesthetic that I love about cartoons and animation in general. It actually brings me out of the film.

And I'm tired as hell of the "let's take CG characters and put them in the real world. Won't that be kooky?!" bullshit that's been going on.
 
Devolution said:
No it didn't. Pixar stayed independent and Lasseter became chief creative officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios on top of already having the same position at Pixar. Pixar changed Disney not the other way around, despite the fact of who purchased whom.
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I see, but yeah I wouldn't argue that Pixar didn't change Disney, in fact that was basically my point. Who knows where Disney would even be right now if they hadn't gotten ahold of Pixar in the way they did.

I've always seen Disney as basically the equivalent to Sony for Naughty Dog. One distributes and helps get it moving along, but the other does all the actual work and creative processes.

cory. said:
Disney has never had creative control over Pixar.
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Control may not be the right word, but influence? Sure, there were times where they definitely did have creative sway in certain projects. That didn't last long though I don't think.
 
Sentry said:
Control may not be the right word, but influence? Sure, there were times where they definitely did have creative sway in certain projects. That didn't last long though I don't think.
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You are talking out your ass and you need to stop. unless by not very long means like "not apparent at all".
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
You are talking out your ass and you need to stop. unless by not very long means like "not apparent at all".
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Steve Jobs, known for being a control freak, didn't even touch Pixar creatively and he had an office there.
Disney's never really touched them beyond financial/legal things.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
You are talking out your ass and you need to stop. unless by not very long means like "not apparent at all".
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Jesus christ, lol. I feel like i'm arguing with myself. To say Disney never influenced Pixar (especially in the beginnings) is kind of ignoring it.

Obviously the effect Pixar has had on Disney are oceans compared to drops if you're talking about impact on one another.
 
Pau said:
You guys really should watch The Pixar Story.

And while you're at it, Waking Sleeping Beauty.
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I toured there a couple times and met creative directors. There are instructors at my school who work for Pixar. Disney is a financial backer that does not have creative input. And yeah both of those are important things to see.
 
Devolution said:
I toured there a couple times and met creative directors. There are instructors at my school who work for Pixar. Disney is a financial backer that does not have creative input. And yeah both of those are important things to see.
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Nice. I was referring to the early days of their interactions with each other, not how it is today btw.
 
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