NFL 2011 Divisional Round |OT| Jesus cast flag merchants, rapists out of His temple
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Polamalu getting torched on a pass play is the least surprising thing about that game (though I don't think he had deep cover on that particular call).
themadcowtipper
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Any team can throw deep and have some one-off success with it. But passing is NOT Tebow's strength and going for big pass plays runs the risk of interceptions, and you definitely dont want to be turning over against the Patriots.
I dont see Tebow actually being a good quarterback two games in a row, sorry.
yankeehater
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People keep moving the goal posts with Tebow. First there was no way the Broncos can win with him at QB, then they couldnt win if he had to pass, then no way could they win a playoff game with him at QB, now there is no way they can win 2 games in a row with him at QB. I guess if you keep saying this shit you have to be right eventually.
reminds me of that recent thread about the Wii not selling well this year.
I will admit I doubted he could win against the Steelers given that USUALLY they have a good defense. They forgot to show up last night and I'm glad to have been proven wrong. Tebow is something different in the league. As much as I appreciate Brees and Rodgers record breaking QB play, I also appreciate those QBs who dont put up stats and just fucking win games. I would include Alex Smith here because I genuinely admire his determination but FMT is a dirty fucker and I dont want to support anything he is associated with.
Me neither, which is nice because he really wasn't a very good quarterback yesterday.
It's an interesting offense to watch. After that Lions game they went back to the drawing board and have been evolving since. They stagnated a bit as the team kind of lost confidence both in Tebow's arm and (underlooked) the ability of the receivers to not only catch but run decent routes. Watch some of the film from last night, the receivers don't run a single option route (that I could see). It forced Tebow into some bad spots.
The Broncos also mitigate the turnover risk by having a fuck-awesome offensive line and running 1 and 2 route passing plays. Tebow has all the time in the world to basically make a single read. Since he doesn't need to do a whole lot, he isn't pressured to do anything quickly.
Look, Tebow is a shitty quarterback. He does throw a pretty nice deep ball though. The Broncos essentially have given up the mid-yard plays. They either pound the ball or throw the ball deep. It's a fantastic use of Tebow's limited skill set and the strength of that offense, which is the line.
You're right though, turnovers are a big deal. Were I a Broncos fan I'd be significantly more worried about McGahee and Tebow losing fumbles than the fuck-awful Patriots secondary making plays.
DeaconKnowledge
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We'll see, but the Steelers admitted that they over pursued because Tebow just could not hit anything over 10 yards when they were watching tape.
I know I know 316 yards hur hur but Tebow got lucky against a defense that completely took him for granted. He won't be able to get away with that in New England - let's face it, they're shit against the run anyway, they'll probablly let him have those option runs and force him to throw to their secondary, and you don't need great corners with those ducks.
darkside31337
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Are you joking? 31.6 yards per completion, 15 per attempt (which was more than 3 times higher than Cowardly's). No interceptions.
They didn't even run the ball well yesterday. Tebow won that game for the Broncos yesterday.
cuevas. PhD.
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the Packers and Patriots games are going to be really interesting. I don't think the Giants or Tebows can blow either team out but I could see both teams giving Em some trouble. Both for the same reason: they are playing sub par playoff d's and if they can get the running game going which both are capable of doing they could control the clock and might not have to go into a shoot out. If they have to though I don't think either team can keep up.
I'm excited.
I'm excited.
Large representations from other NFC south fanbases matter too. It used to be predominately falcons fans representing that division here.
It seems like the only kind of pass Tebow can actually make is the deep throw because of the way he throws. He throws like a shot-put. Its the weirdest throwing motion I have ever seen. It works REALLY well for the deep ball but for short range stuff, it makes his accuracy shit. I notice he seems to throw into the dirt a lot of times. Is that because he's scared to turn the ball over?
Barack Lesnar
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rofl
DeaconKnowledge
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:jnc. No. He throws like that because he's bad at throwing.
Though to be fair, Rivers throws like that too and manages to be decent.
The Broncos should have won that game by three touchdowns. They dominated the Steelers in every facet of the game. Tebow missed a lot of medium to short throws that would have kept moving the chains and led to more points. He made some really poor goal line decisions that led to field goals instead of touchdowns. Yes, he hit some guys open in busted coverage and was the beneficiary of a WR who turned a 10 yard slant into an 80 yard touchdown.
He completed fewer than 50% of his passes. I refuse (and I think any quarterback including Tebow would agree) to say someone played the position of quarterback well in a game in which they completed fewer than 50% of his passes.
He definitely won the game for the Broncos though, no doubt. They should have won by a lot more though.
Also, I'm very impressed with his growth and the evolution of that offense. It's interesting how quickly they've been able to adapt.
yankeehater
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If NE just lets them run on them they will get fucking destroyed. Steelers D is light years better then the Pats, and they totally topped the Denver run but in doing so they opened themselves up to the deep passes. If Denever has success running the ball they are going to force the Pats to bring a safety up and Tebow will drop bombs on them. I really think this is a terrible matchup for NE's D. Brady and the O are going to have to be locked in early to force Denver to play catch up and give up on the run.
I could see this regarding the Saints, because they are legitimately good and a dangerous team, so Saints fans can get cocky, but the Falcons, Bucs, and Panthers fans on here dont seem that bad. I mean, the Packers fans on here have become pretty big headed as well, but I think any fans whose team just won a SB has plenty of room to gloat. At least for a season. I see no problem with celebrating when your team is killing. That why we support the teams. We all hope our team will be like that one day. When it is, enjoy it for all its worth.
Bumblebeetuna
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Fox has been doing a tremendous job of keeping their confidence high over the last portion of the season during that stretch of 3 straight blowout losses. I highly doubt that going to Foxboro to play a team that already beat them is going to get them down after they pulled off such an unexpected win against a highly favored Steelers team.
Regarding the last game, the Broncos were actually dominating the Patriots with the run until they had IIRC three straight fumbles that blew the game open. They can hang with New England if they don't have dumb turnovers.
DeaconKnowledge
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I wish this were true, however, I think New England's offense will have something to say about that.
Pats defense is shit, but if Brady runs away with the game by scoring 2 or 3 touchdowns it won't matter.
I only hope that We see late regular season Brady where he gets nothing going for 2 quarters then Denver starts forcing TO's in the 2nd half to keep Tebow in it.
Denver's defensive success comes from pressuring the quarterback. They are built to destroy a quarterback like Big Ben because he sits in the pocket and lets the play develop. Brady doesn't. He gets the ball out quick. That's why they were able to run up and down the field against the Broncos last time. A quick release and underneath passing renders the strength of the Broncos defense moot.
I noticed this also. Philip Rivers definitely has a bizarre way of throwing the ball.
He is a LOT more accurate though.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Again, 31.6 yards per completion, 15 per attempt. No turnovers. Didn't even get sacked once (and got out of a few that should have been made). Was literally the only effective running back on his team too yesterday.
They should have won by 3 touchdowns. They left points on the board thanks to self inflicted mistakes, most of them not even on Tebow (the holding down field by Willis was probably the most egregious), and the refs screwed them out of some as well.
Completion percentage is one facet of the game. It is not the only thing that matters. Not even close. A quarterback who completes 48% of his passes for 15 yards per attempt is better than a quarterback who completes 58% of his passes for 5 yards per attempt.
Tebow had a fantastic game yesterday.
Also dirtbag was the best. He was pure heel and reveled in it. The fans that ruined it were the ones that would point out his hair was wet for no reason, posting pictures of shit in a toilet, or argue weird stuff like how awesome the d was if you discounted x number of big plays given up.
Crazymoogle
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Will be interesting to see if the Patriots can put some pressure on Tebow since our line did not. :/
Sucks to see Cotchery go. Definitely had some clutch games, but the Jags and Rams are just bleeding too much for WRs for us to have any chance to keep him. Are we drafting OL every round of the draft this year?
Sucks to see Cotchery go. Definitely had some clutch games, but the Jags and Rams are just bleeding too much for WRs for us to have any chance to keep him. Are we drafting OL every round of the draft this year?
DeaconKnowledge
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A quarterback who completes 48% of his passes for 15 yards per attempt is having the flukiest game of his life. That can't be seriously counted on.
He takes so long to throw it, too. Thats gotta give the defense that extra half-second to pick up on whats happening.
You beat the Patriots by outscoring them. Everybody knows the Patriots defense is shit and there's no 'good' matchup for them at all. Tebow is gonna have to go wild to score points, limit turnovers and hope that Brady has a bad day. Thats really the only way I see them getting it done.
Should be entertaining, though.
yankeehater
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The Broncos held them to 7 points midway through the 2nd quarter before all the turnovers happened. If they can keep Brady from getting TDs every drive they have a really shot at winning. The Pats have also not looked the same in the playoffs the last few years, so maybe that continues.
AngmarsKing701
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I agree. Those are just lame excuses. Other than the pick in the 1st half, Ben played well. He moved around like he normally does, got out of the pocket. The TD to Cotchery that tied it was one of those "Ben rolling out, approaching the LOS, throws off one foot" kind of plays.
Redman ran for more than 100 yards in place of Mendy. In fact, if Redman starts next season and Mendy doesn't return, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.
Missing Ryan Clark hurt, but guess what? Every team is missing players at this point of the season. Mundy is usually a decent backup, but our secondary got fucking torched. The big play really killed us. Tebow extended plays, got out of the grasp a couple of times and made the big play.
Kudos to him and the Broncos. They played their guts out and won a big game. The Steelers have work to do on a horrid o-line and an aging D. And I thought Ben was married now. Didn't his wife check that awful hat out before he put it in his luggage. "Ah, hon... no fucking way."
I fully acknowledge the shittiness of our Defense.
The whole Unknown Whodat thing was something started on saintsreport and pretty much should have just stayed amongst the fans. Nobody here cares about that shit except the Saints fans anyway because it represented something to US. It basically represented belief in the face of adversity. However, to everyone else it was osme drunk northern fucker douchebag cheering on the Saints. Thats fine for people to see it that way because its mostly true.
What was this about shit in a toilet? I could definitely see that as being stupid as fuck.
And our D was never great. It had takeaways, but it was as "great" as the Packers D this year is "great".
DeaconKnowledge
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You don't say?
Absolutely, and like I said he was a huge reason the Broncos won. He just wasn't much of a quarterback. Giving him statistical credit (as a passer) for that OT touchdown is silly. He made that play possible, but not because of the pass. His running ability and historical inability to throw (not to mention Bennett) sprung that play.
There are two throws that keep sticking out in my head. That crossing route late in the fourth on third and six. Guy was open ten yard radius and Tebow skips the ball 20 fee in front of him. That completion wins the game for Denver. The other one was when he rolled out, made the linebacker commit and had a receiver slip behind. Tebow airmailed the throw into the second deck. A ten yard dump off that he threw out of the stadium. Those throws kept the Steelers in a game that they had no right to be in. You can't judge the guy just on his completions. You need to look at his negative plays as well.
He's already an incredible football player, seems to be an amazing leader, and is rapidly growing as a quarterback. But Just Winz doesn't mean he is passing the ball particularly well yet.
For the first time, I think he might at some point become a decent passer though.
Barack Lesnar
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This post reads like it's from an ESPN analyst running damage control, just terrible. Holy crap dude. I'll refer to darkside's post for a reply.
You've brought up 2 errant throws dude, wtf. Watch any game from any quarterback and you'll see bad throws like those, sailing high or low or whatever.
I was really hoping we would play the Falcons again so I could hate the team we played. It really sucked playing the Lions. I honestly hated that. The Lions fans deserve more success. IF we got to the SB and the Broncos happened to be there I would root against Denver obviously, but I would feel bad about it.
AngmarsKing701
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We need at least two OL in the first 3 rounds, IMO. But the Steelers always go with BPA. We also desperately need a CB opposite Ike. Gay is meh and Lewis didn't really step up like I thought he was going to (after the hype of the pre-season).
I think it's OLx2, CB and look for BPAs that can start filling in on our aging D. If we could scoop an ILB that would replace Farrior, we should consider that as well.
I also forgot about the folk that would whine about Katrina jokes then post stuff like hurricane whodat/brees. You can see how they developed a reputation.
Well it is a sin, but you can always go to confession later. It's gong to be a shit ton of "hail mary's" and "our fathers" though.
Yeah I can.
I mean, I'm obviously on Brees' nuts a lot being a Saints fan, but aside from being apparently creepy as hell I don't think I'm that bad.
At least I dont post stupid image macros.
lol
I have been thinking about this all morning...I think that the Ravens/Texans are more evenly matched than some people think. Let's start at defenses. Coverage wise I think the Texans might be better than the Ravens, with the exception of Reed. Pollard is awful at coverage. We had him here for 2 years, and I've seen it first hand. The LB core for the Texans is better than the Ravens. Defensive Line I'd give the edge to the Ravens.
Offensively again they are close. Foster and Rice both studs. Ravens have Leach who Texans' fans know is a beast. Texans have better TE's. Andre Johnson to Boldin at WR. Then we have the QB position.....Flacco is just not that good to me. Slightly better than Yates and that's only because he has more experience. If he struggles (which is a high probabilty) I can easily see the Ravens losing.
I think people see Ravens and Texans and automatically go with Baltimore because of their pedigree or whatever. If you look at it by position the two teams are closer than you'd think.
DeaconKnowledge
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Do you watch the games? Your posts read like you don't.
He does, but his totality of football knowledge starts around week 15 of this season. Cut him some slack, he's learning just like that Scottish guy.
Sorry Heavy. Those throws are indicative of his accuracy and came on two incredibly important drives. At some point maybe I'll ask Welli to send me the entire film so I can break down every play, but I just don't have the time today.
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