NFL 2011 Divisional Round |OT| Jesus cast flag merchants, rapists out of His temple
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Packers Jon/Bran ftw
DeaconKnowledge
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BeautifulMemory
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Mentioned? Mercurynews said Hue Jackson is out :0
yankeehater
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A bunch last page. Raiders should see if they can get Cable back.
Buckethead
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BeautifulMemory
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Ahh. Someone educate me: is this move deserved or is it more of a news for a complete reboot like Kawakmi is stating?
I thought things were finally looking up for Cable when he got let go
Edit: ugh nm I will read the previous page. My brain is really slow today
Not at all. I'm saying they are generally tertiary when discussing the individual abilities of a single position player. Usually a good quarterback will help his team win and will be a fantastic building block upon which his team can build, but not always and certainly not necessarily. Usually terrible quarterbacks won't win a lot of games, but excellent quarterbacks can absolutely have a lot of losses.
Look at your argument in micro. Joe Flacco was not the best QB in the AFC, yet his team got the #1 seed.
Buckethead
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Eznark do you think we'll see much changes in the Defense?
Scheme/Personel?
Scheme/Personel?
It's useful when you're comparing QBs that we can agree are great to begin with though, I'd say.
DeaconKnowledge
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I would agree with you if wins were the only metric we were rating these QBs by. However if that were the case the list would be a short one with some unorthodox candidates at the top (i.e. Bradshaw).
No, what I'm saying is that by nature of the ranking itself whoever would be selected would have a lot of wins, as a byproduct of being a great quarterback. It's not the only metric we would judge him on though. To wit, if Flacco keeps riding the Ravens defense to 12-4 seasons, will he be the de facto 'best QB'? No, because there are other factors considered that he falls woefully short in.
I added the "quality" wins because I feel that's important. We've had that argument a million times though so I'll save it.
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Would you say Tom Brady was? Because his team is actually the #1 seed, with the 31st ranked D in the league.
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Would you say that Aaron Rodgers was the best QB in the league this year? His team is #1 overall seed and they have the worst defense in the land.
Next year or on Sunday?
Potentially, but using team stats or counting stats (like yards) especially across eras is pretty misleading. While I feel like I can compare a player like Unitas to a player like Montana, I don't think guys like YA Tiddle or Otto Graham really fit the discussion because they played the position (for most of their careers) so differently than what we know it as today.
Terry Bradshaw won a ton of games (107-51) but was really pretty terrible most of his career. In eight of his fourteen seasons he threw as many or more interceptions than touchdowns. He threw interceptions on a whopping 5.6% of his passes! For comparisons sake, Carson Palmer threw a pick 4.8% of the time with Oakland. He had a 51.9% completion rate and was sacked 7.3% of the time (take out David Carr's absurd rookie year, and you have Bradshaw in the pocket). Quarterback rating is super flawed, I'll be the first person to tell you that, but Bradshaw never broke 90. His best season ever was 1975, and he averaged under 150 yards passing (different era obviously, but still low).
Terry Bradshaw was the ultimate Just Winz quarterback of all time.
Buckethead
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I was talking Sunday but since you brought it up...
I believe it. I was there and my ears were very close to hurting. Man it was fucking loud. So awesome.
That had to be really exciting. That's awesome for Houston.
Yes but eventually if he has more success at DC teams will want to give him an opportunity again. I don't know how good of HC he is or might be one day, but I just don't believe he was as bad as the record in St. Louis indicated.
Either way I want him for DC. Then if this coming season doesn't at least get them to the SB, fire Reid, and find a coach that will take all the talent on the team and finally take them over the hump.
Not really. What can they honestly do that this point? The real difference we'll see (I'm guessing) is tight ends and backs running routes more often. I think Clifton gives them more confidence to chip and go, as opposed to keep someone in to protect.
BaltimoreLarry
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It's not that fucked up.
Buckethead
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Play less zone?
Blitz corners, pull safeties over?
Hmm interesting thought. Why do you think that?
I don't see that all. Maybe eventually but I see them being aggressive right out of the gate.
Alligatorjandro
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Who are all these new peoples.
The meek shall inherit NFLGAF.
DeaconKnowledge
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With YOUR weak pass rush? You'll get eaten alive.
playoff lifelongs, they'll be gone till next playoffs.
Buckethead
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Opposed to now when...?
Tramon and Woodson are Bn'R corners, none of which we've seen this year.
I doubt they play less zone. We don't have the personnel in the secondary to man up their weapons. Also, to what end? I think (hope) we'll see some creative run gap blitzing, especially early. If we let them play third and 5 or less all game we're in a lot of trouble.
My idea and your idea are not mutually exclusive. They'll be agressive, but will likely be willing to leave Clifton on his own and run the backs/TE's on routes. Give Rodgers looks deep and a dump and you hopefully negate some of the speed of that front four without giving away deep threats. Let's be honest, the fuck is Ryan Grant going to be able to do against JPP anyway? It's also open some space over the middle for Donald Driiiiiiiiiiiiver (who is going to have 6 for 80. Rack it).
See You Next Wednesday
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Who cares? They had a winning record with Campbell & a losing record with Palmer.
They gave up a lot for what ended up being flat out mediocrity & not even improved mediocrity over Campbell.
Alligatorjandro
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You can jump on the Patriots bandwagon if you want.
BaltimoreLarry
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Bandwagon fans, but if you ask them, they're lifelongs. Just not here, but I damn sure would have remembered these NFL avatars from elsewhere.
Buckethead
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Barack Lesnar
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You and me agree on a lot of stuff, SYNW. What's your team? Oak? I'll jump ship so we can be bros
I'd rather cut my dick off and rape my ass.
Barack Lesnar
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Wouldn't work, it would go flaccid from blood loss before you got it in there.
Alligatorjandro
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What would Tebow do?
Destroy the hopes and dreams of Cheatriot nation, hopefully
Or people that like football but don't post in NFL-GAF (often).
Blasphemous, I know, but half of the things in my parents' Packer room were collected by me when I was a kid.
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Not every lifelong joins a forum to talk football.
To the packers discussion, just listened to the Rodgers interview. He also talked about getting off to a fast start; I agree they will take shots early and often. Hopefully Clifton improves from his 25 snap outing week 17. Defensively there's not much you can do but hope the line gets more pressure (ie. any pressure)
Yes, Bulaga. He's healthy.That reminds me, who's playing RT? Bulaga?
Hopefully he doesn't get murdered again.
Actually everyone is healthy, even Starks, judging from Rodgers today
Alligatorjandro
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Good luck with Eli.
Alligatorjandro
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All you guys had to do was beat Joe Flacco and you could have avoided getting Tebow'd.
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LOL @ Raiders. I think that voodoo chick from last nights BCS game mistakenly raised Al from the dead.
Looks like a Metroid to me
What's so funny? You want another lame duck situation ala Holmgrem/Mangini?
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