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[That Singer Guy...]

There's no way Luffy beats Smoker at this point. I don't see that happening until the series is almost over. The Straw Hats will manage to escape, but Smoker will keep up his pursuit until the end. He's the Garp to Luffy's Roger.

I think Luffy will beat him or tie with him. G5 is his quarter so if Luffy gets past him he cant chase him. In order for him to go where he wants, hes gonna have to move up to admiral.

I also think Coby is Luffy's Garp, Smoker is more of a Sengoku/Aokiji type.

Basically (since Coby is not ready yet )

We don't know if Coby is ready or not, all we know is that 2 years have passed. I'm sure hes a rear admiral or commodore waiting to move up and take Garp's place. Just gotta wait...

 

[Freshmaker]

Bleach
Kubo trying to make Ginjou a sympathetic figure just isn't working for me. This is one of those cases where a flashback was sorely needed imo.

After all that he just came off as a rollicking dumbass.

I do wonder what became of Ginjou's soul though. All he did was die. He shouldn't have utterly ceased to exist.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Naruto: Wow, Naruto is getting so intelligent! He got out of the bijuu's gut using Tajuu Kage Bunshin, but kept one clone inside to push the rod from the inside. That's effing smart. Thats like the 5th intelligent thing he's done since he started fighting. They're really pushing him as a genius in this arc.

 

[gunbo13]

Just because you refuse to pay attention to such things, doesn't make discussions unworthy. You just can't get away with having a solid opinion here and hence why there isn't much discussion on big three chapters on a normal basis.

Are you referencing me individually? What did I do? lol

There has never been a single case of this that didn't discuss outside content of the respective chapter.

I pretty much stick to the chapter if you read my write-ups.

lol So we are back to the "grading" argument. Mangaf is so mad.

 

[PK Gaming]

I sometimes wonder if the summary you write are longer than the actual text of a Bleach chapter.

badumtish/10

Naruto: Wow, Naruto is getting so intelligent! He got out of the bijuu's gut using Tajuu Kage Bunshin, but kept one clone inside to push the rod from the inside. That's effing smart. Thats like the 5th intelligent thing he's done since he started fighting. They're really pushing him as a genius in this arc.

Sage Mode makes him smarter. His feats vs the 3rd Raikage in chapter 555 were pretty smart too.

 

[Big One]

Are you referencing me individually? What did I do? lol

You wrongly assume that what everyone complains about Bleach is Aizen's trolling.

I pretty much stick to the chapter if you read my write-ups.

Since when have you ever made a write up of a single Big Three chapter?

 

[upandaway]

Mangaf is so mad.

<3 you guys, it's really becoming accepted now

 

[Infinite Justice]

I'm surprised that he made it up to there, really. I mean, with the way it was pointed out at his lack of an eye towards promotions and all. Though, I kind of expect a reveal that the only reason he climbed up was to give himself the ability to chase after the Strawhats.

He actually admitted that long ago when he got that promotion.

 

[mysticwhip]

Naruto
Kurama warming up to Naruto is done really well.

 

[Freshmaker]

No, sorry. Neither you or Grimace have came up with any sufficient reasoning to why grading a volume or chapter is "dumb." Both are complete products and are presented us in a fashion to where we CAN grade. There is absolutely no reason to why volumes or chapters cannot be graded or judged. You might as well say one can't judge MGS1 without playing MGS2.

Go read a novel. Post a graded summary of the story so far every 15 pages. Wonder why people think you're insane.

 

[Big One]

Go read a novel. Post a graded summary of the story so far every 15 pages. Wonder why people think you're insane.

That isn't even remotely a similar comparison as in that situation I didn't experience the full narrative the book was trying to accomplish. Manga chapters have a full narrative from beginning to end.

 

[Freshmaker]

That isn't even remotely a similar comparison as in that situation I didn't experience the full narrative the book was trying to accomplish. Manga chapters have a full narrative from beginning to end.

Not really.

 

[scy]

He actually admitted that long ago when he got that promotion.

Oh, right. I was just remembering his earlier aversion to promotions, I guess.

 

[Kreed]

Hunter X Hunter

swoon

Best manga news in years.

 

[789shadow]

That isn't even remotely a similar comparison as in that situation I didn't experience the full narrative the book was trying to accomplish. Manga chapters have a full narrative from beginning to end.

What.

 

[Big One]

Not really.

Yes really, it's just that each chapter usually ends on a cliffhanger.

Try stringing the pages of a Naruto chapter together with the last page of the one before it, there is a very clear break and sense of, "This is a new chapter" aka "This is a beginning of this part of the story."

 

[Infinite Justice]

Oh, right. I was just remembering his earlier aversion to promotions, I guess.

Yea he didn't give a fuck at first but he realizes that he's gonna need it so he can move around freely.

Hunter X Hunter

Best manga news in years.

Living the easy life here (experienced no hiatuses) so more for me

 

[Snakeyes]

Air Gear 341 raw is out. Can't wait for the full chapter.

 

[gunbo13]

You wrongly assume that what everyone complains about Bleach is Aizen's trolling.

You have lost your mind if that's what you think I'm saying.

Since when have you ever made a write up of a single Big Three chapter?

I've done plenty of Bleach write-ups. And I do write-ups for many series where I don't go on about speculation. And I'm not going to qualify this for someone who only visits to grade the big 3 and then slap fight with Grimace each week.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Naruto
So a trip down memory lane. They used up all those key moments to build up to.. a frog smash? Kind of lame. Also, never thought I'd see the imagery of a tailed beast vomiting Narutos, heh..

Worse has happened.

 

[Big One]

You have lost your mind if that's what you think I'm saying.

Then what exactly are you saying? Cause the only thing you mentioned about Bleach write-ups is exactly that

I've done plenty of Bleach write-ups. And I do write-ups for many series where I don't go on about speculation.

I'd like to see these write-ups as there's never enough content in a single Bleach chapter to really discuss anything.

 

[Big One]

To illustrate my point, this is a comparison to the two latest One Piece chapters.

Last week's:

This week's:

Neither lead into each other directly and feature an episodic format that begins, and ends, with a single short narrative.

 

[gunbo13]

Then what exactly are you saying? Cause the only thing you mentioned about Bleach write-ups is exactly that

The bigger question would be what are you reading.

I'd like to see these write-ups as there's never enough content in a single Bleach chapter to really discuss anything.

Then go find them. I'm willing to bet Beem or Stat Flow at least remember them a bit since there were discussions on the content.

 

[upandaway]

To illustrate my point, this is a comparison to the two latest One Piece chapters.

Last week's:

http://i.imgur.com/1d36d.jpg[IMG]

This week's:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YZOfH.jpg[IMG]

Neither lead into each other directly and feature an episodic format that begins, and ends, with a single short narrative.[/QUOTE]
But that kind of transition between scenes happened at least 3 times inside this chapter too, as well as every chapter

 

[Infinite Justice]

stuff

need to use better pictures (aka not showing the team).

 

[Freshmaker]

Yes really, it's just that each chapter usually ends on a cliffhanger.

Most cannot stand on their own. They're part of a larger whole, and that's the focus of each chapter. Furthering the larger story.

I'd like to see these write-ups as there's never enough content in a single Bleach chapter to really discuss anything.

All right then.

 

[Big One]

The bigger question would be what are you reading.

This is what I'm reading:

I've seen the walls of text for Bleach. But that's atypical. It's mostly quick drive-by stuff that you just scroll past. I'm not sure what the point of "lolz, Aizen is a troll" stuff. I also do enjoy talking about Bleach when the content calls for it...which is rare.

 

[Big One]

Most cannot stand on their own. They're part of a larger whole, and that's the focus of each chapter. Furthering the larger story.

I'm not sure if I ever implied otherwise.

That doesn't stop it from being ungradeable, nor does it stop the fact that chapters do have a single narrative in of itself just like any other chapter of a book. I grade chapters by what they contribute to the manga itself and whether it's progressive or not

 

[Infinite Justice]

i see mangaGAF is going strong so far in 2012 LOL

 

[Freshmaker]

I'm not sure if I ever implied otherwise.

That doesn't stop it from being ungradeable, nor does it stop the fact that chapters do have a single narrative in of itself just like any other chapter of a book. I grade chapters by what they contribute to the manga itself and whether it's progressive or not

D

You can grade anything at any time. In cases like this, you're actively grading a fragment of a story. I continue to assert that such a practice is pointless.

 

[Steroyd]

Happy new year shounen gaf.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Bleach was weak.
Naruto could have been decent if it wasn't for the lazy flashback.
HxH: I'm loving Gin, hopefully we'll see some more of him
One Piece was pretty good, set the mood perfectly for the next arc. Also rofl at Neptune's face.

Took a short break off Conan and read some Magico. I like the basic premise but I don't know about the characters or presentation. We'll see. Gonna start Blue Exorcist too.

Also Gamaran is great.

 

[Dresden]

i see mangaGAF is going strong so far in 2012 LOL

Happy new year shounen gaf.

Yeah, it's like there wasn't a break at all. We'll be seeing big one/grimace arguments into 2013.

 

[Angry Grimace]

individual grades are still opinions and can be easily formed. It's not that I make up these scores on simply how I feel, but rather I grade them on the quality of the chapter itself. The idea is that giving it a score prevents me from having to write an entire paragraph describing it's quality, which is yes lazy, but isn't invalid by any means.

Despite my complaints I gave Naruto a C cause it had some genuine solid moments in the chapter which were kind of ruined by the copy and pasting of old scenes from the manga. If it didn't include those scenes it would be a B graded chapter, cause while the solid moment was good it still wasn't nearly even close to when Naruto is A level. Or for that matter, any other manga that keeps a consistent level of quality.

When Naruto doesn't live up to these standards then, yes, I'm gonna call it out on that. It perfectly valid to give a single chapter a graded score.


Not even remotely close. A chapter has a clear plot progression and structure, and also the format it's in lends itself to be judged as such.

It's more like giving a grade to the latest episode of Chuck. While the whole season or show can be graded, so can the episode. All three forms are valid

Sure, I'll listen to the argument that it was dumb to just copy/paste that flashback because those flashback scenes really were just using the copy machine. Then again, that part doesn't really doesn't justify giving grades to individual chapters.

The difference between giving an episode of Chuck and a grade to a manga chapter are wildly different. Episodes of Chuck follow a typical narrative format of beginning-middle-end, whereas that mostly isn't true for weekly 15-20 page manga. Then again, I'm not counting on you to agree with that regardless of what I say since you've got such a strong assimilation bias.

In any case, I laughed a little at trying to couch giving grades to children's comic books as some kind of scientific method as opposed to nitpicky-bitching.

 

[gunbo13]

How does this:

I've seen the walls of text for Bleach. But that's atypical. It's mostly quick drive-by stuff that you just scroll past. I'm not sure what the point of "lolz, Aizen is a troll" stuff. I also do enjoy talking about Bleach when the content calls for it...which is rare.

Become this:

You wrongly assume that what everyone complains about Bleach is Aizen's trolling.

Are you OK? I'm having flashbacks of when DTL was reading pokemon, yugioh, or whatever.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Most cannot stand on their own. They're part of a larger whole, and that's the focus of each chapter. Furthering the larger story.



All right then.

You're being sucked into an unwinnable argument. Basically, you say, "grading chapters is dumb because it only grades part of a story." He will say, "People who say grading individual chapters can't point out any reason why."

You will go batshit insane trying to prove the content of the first sentence because he literally will say, "no that's not right" and literally continue to argue as though that first point is now established as totally meritless just because he posted "no it isn't."

This will be established in a few minutes when he tries to explain that episodes of television shows have the same narrative structure as individual chapters of manga even though it should be readily apparent to anyone with a shred of reason that they don't.

 

[Big One]

In any case, I laughed a little at trying to couch giving grades to children's comic books as some kind of scientific method as opposed to nitpicky-bitching.

Well I'm sorry you see it that way. Everything has a method and quality has nothing to do with age demographic. I hold Naruto/One Piece/Bleach up to the same standards I hold Blue Velvet, Toy Story, Kingdom of Heaven, etc. and I don't see why anyone else should view it differently.

How does this:

*snip*

Become this:

*snip*

Are you OK? I'm having flashbacks of when DTL was reading pokemon, yugioh, or whatever.

Because it's the sole thing you mentioned that people talk about with Bleach. There is very much a point in deconstructing why the series sucks, or why it doesn't, that doesn't involve Aizen.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Well I'm sorry you see it that way. Everything has a method and quality has nothing to do with age demographic. I hold Naruto/One Piece/Bleach up to the same standards I hold Blue Velvet, Toy Story, Kingdom of Heaven, etc. and I don't see why anyone else should view it differently.

The fact that you can't fathom why people view things differently than you do says something entirely different.

 

[Big One]

The fact that you can't fathom why people view things differently than you do says something entirely different.

Well it's not that I don't realize there isn't people like this, I just didn't realize they were on GAF. Absolutely shameful. No one should ever excuse something for being putrid shit, ever.

 

[El Sloth]

I like manga. It's fun to read and has pictures and stuff.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Well it's not that I don't realize there isn't people like this, I just didn't realize they were on GAF. Absolutely shameful. No one should ever excuse something for being putrid shit, ever.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[upandaway]

Gamaran

I'm enjoying this fight. Zenmaru's such a silly guy. Knew the stumble was intentional but man he got him good.

Only real choice here is to wield the Sadanaga one-handed which will be incredibly badass.

 

[Trojita]

NARUTO

Nine-tails, I mean Kurama, is so dere-dere.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Well it's not that I don't realize there isn't people like this, I just didn't realize they were on GAF. Absolutely shameful. No one should ever excuse something for being putrid shit, ever.

Oh Em Gee. I guess you got everyone. No one should ever like something you don´t like.
Christ, what´s wrong with you? You act like an 11 year old who cannot accept that people view things differently. And no, it´s not only GAF. There are forums dedicated for Naruto and Bleach, and a lot of people prefer them to one piece. You always use extreme positions, like you can´t objectively criticize one piece. Of course one can objectively criticize almost anything. And when you use sentences like Naruto is worst thing in literature, it makes you look very ignorant. If you don´t like it it´s cool, but using hyperbole and try to justify crap sentences like the bolded ones is utterly ridiculous, and your position is extremely childish, especially when you use these kind of sentences/hyperbole and go to great length, even when you are proven wrong, to defend that kind of hyperbole.

 

[Freshmaker]

You're being sucked into an unwinnable argument. Basically, you say, "grading chapters is dumb because it only grades part of a story." He will say, "People who say grading individual chapters can't point out any reason why."

You will go batshit insane trying to prove the content of the first sentence because he literally will say, "no that's not right" and literally continue to argue as though that first point is now established as totally meritless just because he posted "no it isn't."

Nah. I wrapped that up by quoting a contradiction he offered a few posts later. I can sleep easy.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Nah. I wrapped that up by quoting a contradiction he offered a few posts later. I can sleep easy.

He won't comprehend the contradiction. He speaks a different form of English in which the least likely interpretation of anything he says is what he means so long as it turns out in his favor. He will just say they aren't contradictory because he actually meant it in some non-contradictory way, regardless of how likely that is.

 

[Haly]

You are about as credible as IGN, Haly. I don't believe in your bribed scores.

I'm sorry, I can't see your post under this mountain of Bleach merchandise, most of which I'm selling on Ebay for $$$$$.

 

[Big One]

What the hell are you talking about?

Demographic is NOT an excuse if something is shit or not. There shouldn't be a standard that focuses on specific demographics

What I can't comprehend isn't necessarily that people feel that there is, just that there isn't a single good reason to feel this way whatsoever. To quote the title of the pony thread, quality has no demographic.

Oh Em Gee. I guess you got everyone. No one should ever like something you don´t like.

Not a single word in that post even remotely said that.

Christ, what´s wrong with you? You act like an 11 year old who cannot accept that people view things differently. And no, it´s not only GAF. There are forums dedicated for Naruto and Bleach, and a lot of people prefer them to one piece. You always use extreme positions, like you can´t objectively criticize one piece. Of course one can objectively criticize almost anything. And when you use sentences like Naruto is worst thing in literature, it makes you look very ignorant. If you don´t like it it´s cool, but using hyperbole and try to justify crap sentences like the bolded ones is utterly ridiculous, and your position is extremely childish, especially when you use these kind of sentences/hyperbole and go to great length, even when you are proven wrong, to defend that kind of hyperbole.

The first sentence I probably should've reworded when I said it, I admit. I meant it more along the lines in that there isn't really anything you would normally criticize literature in One Piece that is in Bleach and Naruto in droves. One Piece has plenty of problems but the problems are so light and non-important that it doesn't affect the bigger story, while Bleach and Naruto have problems that make the entire story, plot, and characters garbage. That isn't hyperbole, that's just stating a fact. There is no core breaking problem with One Piece like there is with Naruto and Bleach, and arguments I've seen that there is tend to be extremely weak and poor.

As for the second I still stand by what I said. It isn't that Naruto is the worst, it's just some parts of it are still the worst pieces of literature or piece of entertainment I've ever experienced. This is including Wolf Guy which I read under Angry Grimace's suggestion, which is still better than the worst parts of Naruto, even though it may be an overall worse manga.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Demographic is NOT an excuse if something is shit or not. There shouldn't be a standard that focuses on specific demographics

What I can't comprehend isn't necessarily that people feel that there is, just that there isn't a single good reason to feel this way whatsoever. To quote the title of the pony thread, quality has no demographic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You just don't have the ability to comprehend information or opinions that don't comport with what you already believe. It's why you're an argumentative annoyance who is painful to converse with.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I want an Angry Grimace vs. Big One manga. It'd be a mix between Death Note (second part) and To Love Ru.