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Magico

All caught up. Yeah, this is pretty great. The Jubee fight was excellent in every way. Kind of regret starting this so soon when it's still in the early phases with the possibility of getting axed. Hope it survives.

 

[gunbo13]

See, this is what I'm talking about, bro.

Dat good taste

Too bad it is preceded by that shitty adaption.

 

[Zoramon089]

One Piece:

A bit late on this, but all the "who would win in a fight between Smoker and Luffy?" discussion was pointless when Smoker is just a "running gag opponent". He's never going to have a serious fight with Luffy. He's just going to keep chasing Luffy and trying to catch him only for Luffy to run away. That's how the gag goes and when Luffy is Pirate King and looks exactly like Roger and Smoker has a grey beard and Zoro has married the girl swordsman, Smoker will still be chasing Luffy yelling "curses" when he can't catch him.

Wtf are you talking about? There's no running gag...unless the gag is how badly Luffy would have gotten owned against someone he couldn't touch in a fight until now...I don't even know where you got such a crazy idea from. There would have been no way for Luffy to do anything to Smoker before learning haki. That was the only reason we never saw them fight because no amount of hax or plot armore would have been able to help him win. He has no "weakness" like Croc did with liquid or Enel with rubber

edit: brain fart, meant rubber not gold for enel's weakness

 

[Wiseblade]

Wtf are you talking about? There's no running gag...unless the gag is how badly Luffy would have gotten owned against someone he couldn't touch in a fight until now...I don't even know where you got such a crazy idea from. There would have been no way for Luffy to do anything to Smoker before learning haki. That was the only reason we never saw them fight because no amount of hax or plot armore would have been able to help him win. He has no "weakness" like Croc did with liquid or Enel with gold

Um, Enel's weakness was rubber...

 

[PK Gaming]

Um, Enel's weakness was rubber...

Hahaha your avatar + post combo is perfect. So fitting.

Anywho, i'm wrapping the Skypea arc and damn Enel is fucking strong. Even with his immunity to Lightning, he's still getting tossed around (but as always, Oda is a genius when it comes to fights, and he always lets Luffy get his fair of hits in) i'll be writing up the write up for the entire arc. There's this overwhelming sense of dread during the ending parts of this arc.

 

[Zoramon089]

Hahaha your avatar + post combo is perfect. So fitting.

Haha, so true. I almost avatar quoted him because I read his post then saw the face

 

[survivor]

See, this is what I'm talking about, bro.

Dat good taste

MY NAKAMA

Hahaha your avatar + post combo is perfect. So fitting.

Anywho, i'm wrapping the Skypea arc and damn Enel is fucking strong. Even with his immunity to Lightning, he's still getting tossed around (but as always, Oda is a genius when it comes to fights, and he always lets Luffy get his fair of hits in) i'll be writing up the write up for the entire arc. There's this overwhelming sense of dread during the ending parts of this arc.

No need for a long write up about a filler arc.

Enel is a boss villain. Zapping people left and right. You should post that panel with the 3 SH facing him

 

[Kreed]

One Piece:

Wtf are you talking about? There's no running gag...unless the gag is how badly Luffy would have gotten owned against someone he couldn't touch in a fight until now...I don't even know where you got such a crazy idea from. There would have been no way for Luffy to do anything to Smoker before learning haki. That was the only reason we never saw them fight because no amount of hax or plot armore would have been able to help him win. He has no "weakness" like Croc did with liquid or Enel with gold

Are you really that involved in the plot of this story to truly believe that after all this time, a Smoker and Luffy fight will actually happen?

Smoker was introduced to the world of One Piece in 1998! Since then, how many times has Smoker encountered Luffy, "almost" caught him, only for Luffy to BARELY escape? I don't even understand why I have to argue this. It's been almost 14 years and you're talking about what would happen if Smoker and Luffy had an actual fight.

It's a running gag. Literally, it's a RUNNING gag and it's going to keep happening because it's funny and a staple to One Piece at this point. If you're actually waiting for Luffy and Smoker to have a battle you're going to be sorely disappointed 14+ years from now.

 

[Zoramon089]

One Piece:



Are you really that involved in the plot of this story to truly believe that after all this time, a Smoker and Luffy fight will actually happen?

Smoker was introduced to the world of One Piece in 1998! Since then, how many times has Smoker encountered Luffy, "almost" caught him, only for Luffy to BARELY escape? I don't even understand why I have to argue this. It's been almost 14 years and you're talking about what would happen if Smoker and Luffy had an actual fight.

It's a running gag. Literally, it's a RUNNING gag and it's going to keep happening because it's funny and a staple to One Piece at this point. If you're actually waiting for Luffy and Smoker to have a battle you're going to be sorely disappointed 14+ years from now.

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who considers it a running gag. The only running gag is how much of a joke Buggy is. Smoker was always set up for someone who would eventually catch Luffy and they'd fight it out, it was just never possible before. Citing how long it's been since he was first introduced means nothing. Oda found a way to reintroduce Coby and he looks like he'll be relevant by the end of the story. Smoker and Luffy will definitely fight at some point

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who considers it a running gag. The only running gag is how much of a joke Buggy is. Smoker was always set up for someone who would eventually catch Luffy and they'd fight it out, it was just never possible before. Citing how long it's been since he was first introduced means nothing. Oda found a way to reintroduce Coby and he looks like he'll be relevant by the end of the story. Smoker and Luffy will definitely fight at some point

Eh, it could probably be a running gag. I won't rule it out at this point.

 

[Big One]

I don't see how it a running gag when Smoker's entire mission in the Marines is to capture the Strawhats. He's the only one who is chasing after him. I'm sure there's other Marines like him that chase after wanted pirates like Blackbeard, Kaido, Kidd, etc. He's there for plot purpose

 

[Kusagari]

Luffy and Smoker obviously WILL fight at some point.

However, I can see this being just another small skirmish where nothing happens. The actual fight will take place later.

 

[survivor]

Minamoto-kun Monogatari 16

Who is this new horny friend of the MC? Never seen him before and I don't like him since he is taking valuable time of the aunt and the cousin.

She sounds exactly like that girl from "It's not my fault I'm not popular"

 

[Bisnic]

Minamoto-kun Monogatari 16

Who is this new horny friend of the MC? Never seen him before and I don't like him since he is taking valuable time of the aunt and the cousin.

She sounds exactly like that girl from "It's not my fault I'm not popular"

Or rather a girl version of the MC of TWGOK. Well, from that single picture that is.

 

[Zoramon089]

Minamoto-kun Monogatari 16

Who is this new horny friend of the MC? Never seen him before and I don't like him since he is taking valuable time of the aunt and the cousin.

She sounds exactly like that girl from "It's not my fault I'm not popular"

Time to check for a new chapter

 

[gunbo13]

Minamoto-kun Monogatari 16

Who is this new horny friend of the MC? Never seen him before and I don't like him since he is taking valuable time of the aunt and the cousin.

Well, if the protagonist's goal is to grope his aunt and cousin, that would make random friend the antagonist as he is slowing him down by talking.






He must be killed.

 

[789shadow]

Luffy and Smoker obviously WILL fight at some point.

However, I can see this being just another small skirmish where nothing happens. The actual fight will take place later.

I imagine they will have a huge fight in the finale.

 

[Kreed]

One Piece:

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who considers it a running gag. The only running gag is how much of a joke Buggy is. Smoker was always set up for someone who would eventually catch Luffy and they'd fight it out, it was just never possible before. Citing how long it's been since he was first introduced means nothing. Oda found a way to reintroduce Coby and he looks like he'll be relevant by the end of the story. Smoker and Luffy will definitely fight at some point

Why does it feel like I'm spoiling Christmas in this thread?

It's not just introduction time. Otherwise I could argue that Luffy will never find One Piece since he's yet to find it after all these years.

It's the combination of the time since Smoker has been introduced and the amount of attempts he's made at trying to capture Luffy and FAILED. It's like a more mature version of Team Rocket in the old Pokemon cartoons.

Smoker's only role in the story right now is chasing after Luffy. Unlike serious opponents like Akainu who killed Ace, Blackbeard who captured Ace and is trying to become Pirate King, or even Hodi who was the "arc threat", Smoker is not a real hindrance in Luffy's progress. There's no revenge story, rivalry, or threat to Luffy or his friends with Smoker. And not only that, but he doesn't even have a villain personality. He's a "good marine". He doesn't hurt civilians, he doesn't do shady side deals, nor does he have a questionable moral code like Akainu. The only reason Luffy and him don't get along is because Luffy is a pirate and Smoker wants to catch him. And let's not forget the fact that his second in command looks like Zoro's best friend/love interest.

He's a "funny" nuisance. He's been that way since Luffy defeated Crocodile and downgraded his unbeatable Logia powers from possible threat to "when Luffy figures out Smoker's weakness he's toast". And giving him a pair of sun glasses isn't going to suddenly turn him into a serious villain.

In fact, I'm going to guess that Smoker will "almost" capture Luffy again, but then Jinbei/the Fishmen will get in the way and allow Luffy to escape.

 

[survivor]

Or rather a girl version of the MC of TWGOK. Well, from that single picture that is.

Yeah that too. Though she is supposed to do it with her cousin if all goes according to plan. Something Keima won't touch

Well, if the protagonist's goal is to grope his aunt and cousin, that would make random friend the antagonist as he is slowing him down by talking.


He must be killed.

Let's hope the fucker is just a filler

Pokemon Reburst 4

About damn time for a full on burst users fight. Shit was cool and better than the first fight. Plus they actually used the type weaknesses. I was so happy when electric attacks by Zekrom didn't work on Excadrill. This at least should somehow solves the problem of Zekrom overpowering everyone, though of course Zekrom only got 3 weaknesses so I don't think that will be a big issue for the MC.

 

[Big One]

One Piece:



Why does it feel like I'm spoiling Christmas in this thread?

It's not just introduction time. Otherwise I could argue that Luffy will never find One Piece since he's yet to find it after all these years.

It's the combination of the time since Smoker has been introduced and the amount of attempts he's made at trying to capture Luffy and FAILED. It's like a more mature version of Team Rocket in the old Pokemon cartoons.

Smoker's only role in the story right now is chasing after Luffy. Unlike serious opponents like Akainu who killed Ace, Blackbeard who captured Ace and is trying to become Pirate King, or even Hodi who was the "arc threat", Smoker is not a real hindrance in Luffy's progress. There's no revenge story, rivalry, or threat to Luffy or his friends with Smoker. And not only that, but he doesn't even have a villain personality. He's a "good marine". He doesn't hurt civilians, he doesn't do shady side deals, nor does he have a questionable moral code like Akainu. The only reason Luffy and him don't get along is because Luffy is a pirate and Smoker wants to catch him. And let's not forget the fact that his second in command looks like Zoro's best friend/love interest.

He's a "funny" nuisance. He's been that way since Luffy defeated Crocodile and downgraded his unbeatable Logia powers from possible threat to "when Luffy figures out Smoker's weakness he's toast". And giving him a pair of sun glasses isn't going to suddenly turn him into a serious villain.

In fact, I'm going to guess that Smoker will "almost" capture Luffy again, but then Jinbei/the Fishmen will get in the way and allow Luffy to escape.

I'm not sure what you're even complaining about here. Smoker was never intended to be a serious threat in the entirety of One Piece canon. He isn't intended to be a comedic character either, he's just a recurring character. It's been established since post-Loguetown that he's on a mission/job to capture Strawhat Luffy. That's why he appears following in Luffy's footsteps. He's doing it cause he's following orders, he doesn't have an ulterior motive and he doesn't need one. (Matter of fact it's pretty blatantly shown that he knows Luffy is good)

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Pokemon Reburst 4

Each chapter gets me even closer to finally unwrapping PKMN white and playing it. I cant believe Zekrom, a legendary, has a weakness like this ugh. It should be impossible for it to lose. Oh wait, impossible. Ryouga never gets old with that.

 

[Big One]

Pokemon Reburst 4

Each chapter gets me even closer to finally unwrapping PKMN white and playing it. I cant believe Zekrom, a legendary, has a weakness like this ugh. It should be impossible for it to lose. Oh wait, impossible. Ryouga never gets old with that.

I'm not sure I get the context to that but it common knowledge that Ground types are immune to Electric attacks

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

One Piece:



Are you really that involved in the plot of this story to truly believe that after all this time, a Smoker and Luffy fight will actually happen?

Smoker was introduced to the world of One Piece in 1998! Since then, how many times has Smoker encountered Luffy, "almost" caught him, only for Luffy to BARELY escape? I don't even understand why I have to argue this. It's been almost 14 years and you're talking about what would happen if Smoker and Luffy had an actual fight.

It's a running gag. Literally, it's a RUNNING gag and it's going to keep happening because it's funny and a staple to One Piece at this point. If you're actually waiting for Luffy and Smoker to have a battle you're going to be sorely disappointed 14+ years from now.

It's not a running gag; Smoker is set up as Luffy's main adversary in the Marines. The reason why they haven't had a big fight so far is because it is too early in the story for that to be happening. Saying that Luffy escaping Smoker is a running gag is like saying that Luffy not meeting Shanks is a running gag.

We've seen Smoker's rise up through the Marine's chronicled as he pursues Luffy, and he's been the main character on the Marine side of the story. Luffy and Smoker will have an actual fight, but it won't happen until near the end of the story. If you really think this isn't going to happen, I don't know what manga you've been reading.

 

[Kreed]

One Piece:

I'm not sure what you're even complaining about here. Smoker was never intended to be a serious threat in the entirety of One Piece canon. He isn't intended to be a comedic character either, he's just a recurring character. It's been established since post-Loguetown that he's on a mission/job to capture Strawhat Luffy. That's why he appears following in Luffy's footsteps. He's doing it cause he's following orders, he doesn't have an ulterior motive and he doesn't need one. (Matter of fact it's pretty blatantly shown that he knows Luffy is good)

When I would get posts like this in past versions of this thread, normally I would have had to go back to yesterday's date when I made the "Who gives a fuck about Smoker" comment and quote myself and posters like Zoramon089 so that you could get updated on the discussion. Now, all you have to do is click the arrow button and follow the "quote trail" to the beginning.

But if you don't want to do that let's just say people in this thread have been arguing since yesterday about what would happen if Smoker and Luffy got into a serious fight. And I'm now arguing that he's a gag character and shouldn't be taken seriously (although you're description is better since it doesn't "stir people up" as much, so let's go with recurring).

It's not a running gag; Smoker is set up as Luffy's main adversary in the Marines. The reason why they haven't had a big fight so far is because it is too early in the story for that to be happening. Saying that Luffy escaping Smoker is a running gag is like saying that Luffy not meeting Shanks is a running gag.

We've seen Smoker's rise up through the Marine's chronicled as he pursues Luffy, and he's been the main character on the Marine side of the story. Luffy and Smoker will have an actual fight, but it won't happen until near the end of the story. If you really think this isn't going to happen, I don't know what manga you've been reading.

Actually I think Blackbeard is going to kill Shanks/incapacitate him. But as much as I believe Smoker and Luffy won't have a serious fight.

 

[Big One]

When I would get posts like this in past versions of this thread, normally I would have had to go back to yesterday's date when I made the "Who gives a fuck about Smoker" comment and quote myself and posters like Zoramon089 so that you could get updated on the discussion. Now, all you have to do is click the arrow button and follow the "quote trail" to the beginning.

But if you don't want to do that let's just say people in this thread have been arguing since yesterday about what would happen if Smoker and Luffy got into a serious fight. And I'm now arguing that he's a gag character and shouldn't be taken seriously (although you're description is better since it doesn't "stir people up" as much, so let's go with recurring).

I'm more than aware what your main core point is, but you're legitimately all over the place and none of the points wrap up in a coherent, single opinion. All of your points have been already disputed by not only me but others too, so there isn't a single point in continuing this discussion even further. There is not a single legitimate reason to classify Smoker as a gag character, cause a gag character implies there is an intended comedy behind it. Smoker is there because it's established in the plot of One Piece. If he wasn't there, it wouldn't make sense.

 

[survivor]

Detective Conan

These last couple chapters I read really had hilarious translations. Instead of actually translating a Japanese term or even even just writing out how you pronounce it instead, they just leave it unchanged in Japanese letters for some reason. Looks extremely funny.

 

[Stat Flow]

Hitman Reborn: F

Where the fuck was Hibari? Lame.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Hitman Reborn: F

Since ken, byon, is gone, the grade I would give ever single successive chapter. Stilll angry she took him out of the fight already!!!

 

[Kreed]

One Piece:

I'm more than aware what your main core point is, but you're legitimately all over the place and none of the points wrap up in a coherent, single opinion.
All of your points have been already disputed by not only me but others too, so there isn't a single point in continuing this discussion even further. There is not a single legitimate reason to classify Smoker as a gag character, cause a gag character implies there is an intended comedy behind it. Smoker is there because it's established in the plot of One Piece. If he wasn't there, it wouldn't make sense.

First, I've been responding directly to Zoramon089 for the most part since you decided to jump into this discussion. If my opinions seem all over the place to you and/or you don't want to continue this discussion, please feel free to stop responding.

Second, all you and anyone else who's quoted me about Smoker has done is express your opinions about my opinion, no more no less. So don't try to act like you've "shot down" my points and my opinion has been dealt with.

And in regards to Smoker not qualifying as a "gag character" considering all of Smoker's capture attempts have some comedic take on them involving Luffy and/or Zoro making jokes during the capture attempts, you may want to raise the "legitimate reasons" by at least 1 or 2.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Pokemon Reburst 4

Each chapter gets me even closer to finally unwrapping PKMN white and playing it. I cant believe Zekrom, a legendary, has a weakness like this ugh. It should be impossible for it to lose. Oh wait, impossible. Ryouga never gets old with that.

Has someone begun to translate Reburst? I've been wanting to check it out but I barely see any discussion under it since Pokemon Special is pretty much the only manga the English fanbase pays attention to.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Has someone begun to translate Reburst? I've been wanting to check it out but I barely see any discussion under it since Pokemon Special is pretty much the only manga the English fanbase pays attention to.

Four chapters have been translated thus far.

 

[Freshmaker]

I don't see how it a running gag when Smoker's entire mission in the Marines is to capture the Strawhats. He's the only one who is chasing after him. I'm sure there's other Marines like him that chase after wanted pirates like Blackbeard, Kaido, Kidd, etc. He's there for plot purpose

He's more of a rival character for Luffy. He hardly seems to care about capturing Luffy past the mid point of Alabastard. (He lets him go instead.)

At this point in the story he seems to have a grudging respect for Luffy and seems to mainly be keeping tabs on him. He hasn't been all "Rrrg capture!" for ages.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

He's more of a rival character for Luffy. He hardly seems to care about capturing Luffy past the mid point of Alabastard. (He lets him go instead.)

At this point in the story he seems to have a grudging respect for Luffy and seems to mainly be keeping tabs on him. He hasn't been all "Rrrg capture!" for ages.

I think it's more like after Alabasta he wanted to set out and get Luffy but he had orders to do other stuff.
Which is why he said he need rank to be able to do what ever he wants .
He is now a VA so he should be mostly free to do what he wants unless things really change with the marines last 2 years .

I like Smoker he is there as a rival for luffy but to also show different types of justice in the marines.
Also with Akainu as the head of the marines who knows how they are now when they were so bad before.

 

[thetechkid]

Byakuran has made most of this arc for me, there better some kind of super team up later against that guy in charge of this game with his return.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Well, to be fair we really don't know the amount of power-ups that Smoker has obtained up until now. To compare Luffy as he is today to Smoker as he was seen before the timeskip is not actually a fair thing to do, isn't it?

Exactly, and as we know, all Vice Admirals have haki. So its not going to be a black and white advantage to Luffy.

In general, Smoker has physically dominated Luffy to date.

 

[MCD]

Hilda's cool man but shipping sucks, so here's some moe Aoi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqnWU5x2OjQ

Is this Kimi no Todoke? Lol.

 

[Big One]

The award of astounding achievement in first-chapter-of-2012 goes to...

Toriko A+

 

[Solune]

Too bad it is preceded by that shitty adaption.

Though it doesn't have the strongest foundation, at least it gave birth to something beautiful

Is this Kimi no Todoke? Lol.

I'd watch that.

 

[neoanarch]

Anyone else reading Dorohedoro?


Volume 16 came out this week. Amazing extra full color chapter at the end.

 

[upandaway]

Magico

All caught up. Yeah, this is pretty great. The Jubee fight was excellent in every way. Kind of regret starting this so soon when it's still in the early phases with the possibility of getting axed. Hope it survives.

Yeah you could have waited a little bit more but I didn't want to stop you once you started. You could've just asked!
Though the past 3 chapters especially were pretty amazing so I guess it was an okay time to catch up

Anyway it does seem stable right now as far as sales/ranks go, and I love it. At least it's doing better than Enigma did


Karate Shoukoushi

That was a really boring thing to get provoked on. What the hell.

 

[MCD]

Shingeki no Kyoujin

I don't understand how he lost but this time the author should just kill him for real but he won't so whatever.

 

[smurfx]

He's more of a rival character for Luffy. He hardly seems to care about capturing Luffy past the mid point of Alabastard. (He lets him go instead.)

At this point in the story he seems to have a grudging respect for Luffy and seems to mainly be keeping tabs on him. He hasn't been all "Rrrg capture!" for ages.

smoker is garp. garp chased roger but could never quite capture him. it was always an honorable fight. smoker has already shown that when he decided not to capture luffy after they were all passed out in alabasta. coby will not end up being luffy's rival ever. he will end up being an admiral most likely but that is after the marines change for the good.

 

[upandaway]

Shingeki

I don't understand what's so annoying about Eren surviving this. We don't even know if her goal is to kill him. She might be way better off capturing him alive for all we know.

If they have no reason at all to keep him alive, and they still do despite the fact he's dangerous to them, then it can be annoying. But we don't know that and most likely it's not the case.

 

[Wiseblade]

Has someone begun to translate Reburst? I've been wanting to check it out but I barely see any discussion under it since Pokemon Special is pretty much the only manga the English fanbase pays attention to.

ReBurst is vile crap though.

 

[Dascu]

I'm reading Soil right now and it's damn good. It has this strong Twin Peaks/Lynchian atmosphere with a mixture of humour, mystery and genuinely disturbing and haunting imagery.

 

[Griffith]

Shingeki no Kyojin 29

Intense fight between Eren and the female titan. Can't say I'm that surprised Eren lost, the difference in skill was just too great. Looks like her goal is to capture him and return to the group controlling the "human" titans.

This has to be one of my favourite double spreads of the series so far.

http://i.imgur.com/CmYwX.jpg

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Hilda's cool man but shipping sucks, so here's some moe Aoi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqnWU5x2OjQ

Holy, the animation from 0:55 to 1:05 is amazing.

 

[Azure J]

OK, so going down the impressive list of manga I've read but haven't commented on as of late:

One Piece

Well, this is certainly an interesting development, Smoker shot all the way up to Vice Admiral? Impressive, and with the Garp/Roger parallel between him and Luffy as well as him playing gatekeeper boss since his inception, I hope this means they're due for another match and interaction Alabasta style.

We Don't Have Any Friends

I swear this person stole my idea for a short story. :lol

This is really damn funny. I'm honestly surprised I didn't see or hear of it until a few mentions a page or so back in the thread. Dunno if I have a favorite yet, but I hope the group becomes even more diverse and picks up one or two more guys to go along with Yukimura. Things like this get better with strong quirky personalities on both sides of the gender line.

TWGOK

Playing catch up from the rejection and wow, things are about to get super real it seems. Still hope that Chihiro and Keima make up somehow. Also Ayumi route is going to be all kinds of hard mode.

Beelzebub

Still the funniest recent manga for stuff like this. Aoi still superior though.

Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa

Well, that was a convenient development. I gotta wonder how no one brought it up with Mao before if they all know of Harisugawa's plight.

 

[gunbo13]

I'd watch that.

I just pictured Oga and Aoi starring in a KnT type spinoff of Beez.




Would so read.

 

[Wiseblade]

I've been thinking about One Piece...

Coby's probably not a captain. After that stung at Marine HQ, I doubt Akainu likes him much and probably won't let him climb the ranks. Him and Helmeppo are almost certainly working underneath someonew who align more closely to Akainu's brand of Justice. Possibly one of the new admirals.