Halo: Primordium - Book Two of The Forerunner Trilogy by Greg Bear

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So I got Primordium yesterday, finished it today. The first half of the book has a handful of really interesting tidbits strung between vividly imagined but overlong travel scenes. The last half is a such a wild expositional barrage that you could just as well call it the Book of Revelations, lol. The further I read, the more I enjoyed it.

The first two books of Greg Bear's Forerunner saga offer 343 astonishingly fertile soil for their new Halo trilogy. I'm anxious to see if they can manage what Bungie never quite could and make games that manifest the full grandeur of their backstory. There is so much potential here.
 
For someone who has never read any of the halo books, would it be possible to jump into it and enjoy it? Or would it recommended to read the previous ones?

Edit nevermind, just saw its the second one. So I will rephrase the question, start with this saga or the first books?
 
GK86 said:
For someone who has never read any of the halo books, would it be possible to jump into it and enjoy it? Or would it recommended to read the previous ones?

Edit nevermind, just saw its the second one. So I will rephrase the question, start with this saga or the first books?
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Doesn't matter as long as you read them in approximate order, but a lot of folks start the UNSC stuff at Fall of Reach.
 
GK86 said:
For someone who has never read any of the halo books, would it be possible to jump into it and enjoy it? Or would it recommended to read the previous ones?

Edit nevermind, just saw its the second one. So I will rephrase the question, start with this saga or the first books?
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Doesn't matter as long as you read them in
approximate order, but a lot of folks start the UNSC stuff at Fall of Reach.
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I'll echo those thoughts. The only thing I will add is that another reason people like to start with The Fall of Reach and then read The Flood and First Strike is because they are the most accessible of the novels to someone who has played the games.

These would be good for starting (in order):
The Fall of Reach - Foundation of the Spartan program, Beginning of War with Covenant
First Strike - Post Halo 1
Ghosts of Onyx- Establishes some big cannon elements that I don't want to spoil


After that read them in any order. Also note that The Flood is a novelization of the first game and is thus nothing too important.
 
Let me toss out some scraps of blind speculation regarding Halo 4 – 6.

(SPOILERS FOR PRIMORDIUM AHEAD)

The Chief and the Didact will start as enemies and become allies, so that in one or more of the upcoming Halo games the player's perspective will alternate between the two, recalling Halo 2's split campaign. For us this means we'll get to visit a lot of places revealed or hinted at in Traviss's and Bear's books, some of which we couldn't explore if we had to hang out with John and Cortana all the time. For 343 this means the story wizards will be free to braid the narrative threads from the new novels in more interesting ways than a single protagonist would allow.

Maybe the Didact will face off against the Master Builder on Installation 07 while the Chief tromps around in the Dyson sphere Trevelyan making friends with Engineers. Maybe the Librarian will reconcile the two warriors on the giga-Ark. In any case, Halo's expanded fiction has built up the Didact as the perfect foil for a Spartan, the Forerunner analogue to the Master Chief. The Didact is a natural candidate for a second playable character who rivals or exceeds a Spartan II's combat abilities.
 
Monocle said:
Let me toss out some scraps of blind speculation regarding Halo 4 – 6.

(SPOILERS FOR PRIMORDIUM AHEAD)

The Chief and the Didact will start as enemies and become allies, so that in one or more of the upcoming Halo games the player's perspective will alternate between the two, recalling Halo 2's split campaign. For us this means we'll get to visit a lot of places revealed or hinted at in Traviss's and Bear's books, some of which we couldn't explore if we had to hang out with John and Cortana all the time. For 343 this means the story wizards will be free to braid the narrative threads from the new novels in more interesting ways than a single protagonist would allow.

Maybe the Didact will face off against the Master Builder on Installation 07 while the Chief tromps around in the Dyson sphere Trevelyan making friends with Engineers. Maybe the Librarian will reconcile the two warriors on the giga-Ark. In any case, Halo's expanded fiction has built up the Didact as the perfect foil for a Spartan, the Forerunner analogue to the Master Chief. The Didact is a natural candidate for a second playable character who rivals or exceeds a Spartan II's combat abilities.
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What I'm thinking:

Whatever the Forerunner planet at the end of Halo 3/start of Halo 4 is, I doubt it's Trevelyan. It'd be too convenient, and highly disappointing. No, I think it's something new. Something on which, for a good part of the first game, the Chief is completely and utterly lost. Forward Unto Dawn crashes and scatters gear and vehicles and the natives (or whatever it is we'll be fighting) will be vehemently opposed to the Chief being there. Perhaps because they recognize him as a Reclaimer... A true 'Inheritor' of all the Forerunners left behind.

Whatever comes next, though, is more speculation. I'm thinking we may discover a Cryptum, and end up opening it. Whether it is a warrior Cryptum, or perhaps one of a certain Lifeshaper (if she still remains alive) remains to be seen. Humans will arrive, either led there by Guilty Spark or by Cortana's beacon.

Then, either humanity and the Forerunners will start duking it out... Which would be in line with what the concept art trailer seems to show us.

Or Installation 07 will play a more prominent role. From what we know, around 2553 Installation 07 is still covered in the same thick fog present ever since the ring condensed into its current state. It's possible Installation 07 is, quite literally, Flood Central. Perhaps they found a way to leave the ring and humanity is now searching for an answer to that problem. Though I'm not sure how humans learned of the Librarian and the Didact, since as far was we know, the Chief's the only one who accessed those Terminals and that knowledge got lost with him.

Whatever the case, I'm intrigued, 343. Very very intrigued. I hope you can make it work.
 
Tunavi said:
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It's true. I regret nothing.
 
I'm so curious as tho what ennemies, the Chief will fight against in Halo 4.
First I'm ok with the Didact and the Librarian appearing in the Reclaimer trilogy.
Halo 4's main theme seems to be roaming inside the giant planet, so I'm not anticipating meeting any of those two early in the game.

I've already speculated the Didact is too much of a positive figure to be an real antagonist, and seeing how 343i recycles everything Halo, the Didact playing an Arbiter figure is not out the question. The vessel at the end of Primordium is conspicuously near a battlefield but yet not participating to the fight, the crew looking for answers on the Didact may suggest it's not an all out war and the possible Forerunner threat is different from the systematic Covenant glassing.

Controlling him is probably out of the question in Halo 4, but controlling a Forerunner in his Ancilla is too god to not happe.

As far as the planet in Halo 4 is concerned, right now I' open to the idea it's the resting place of the Librarian, and finding will eventually become the Chief's mission.
If 343 GS² has indeed taken control of the Infinity and he's looking for the Librarian, it sets up a nice family reunion and opens up the possibility of the Didact showing up.

Now there is the ennemy glimpse at the end of the concept trailer...
Flood infested Forerunners exist, but it's a very rare occurence from what I gathered in Primordium as Ancillas repell them and the reconstructed design that appeared on GAF isn't as grotesque as what I think a flood infested Forerunner looks like.

Primordium suggests possible new threats, when The Prisoner states the fleeing Precursors kept experimenting on the Flood after their escape.

Hopefull we get to shoot at some of the incredible wildlife that inhabits the place too.

Finally, the original Didact's fate is still not explained, he's MIA for sure but KIA isn't proven. And the Master Builder on Installation 07 is another thread barely touched upon that keeps me wondering.
 
monome said:
Controlling him is probably out of the question in Halo 4, but controlling a Forerunner in his Ancilla is too god to not happe.
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An ancilla is the AI.
Are you guys forgetting the backlash caused by adding a different playable character in Halo 2? That was a character that played basically the same and you're talking about controlling an ancient 4-meter-tall giant.
It's a nice dream, but it might take another decade before the fanbase is ready to take a break from the Chief for a few levels. If there even are levels by then! It will be the future!

monome said:
I've already speculated the Didact is too much of a positive figure to be an real antagonist
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Because a turn like that has never happened before.

In completely unrelated news, I seem to have uncovered some concept art of Bornstellar:

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Though I'm not sure if the famous killer of humans with famous anger issues is such a positive figure...

monome said:
Now there is the ennemy glimpse at the end of the concept trailer...
Flood infested Forerunners exist, but it's a very rare occurence from what I gathered in Primordium as Ancillas repell them and the reconstructed design that appeared on GAF isn't as grotesque as what I think a flood infested Forerunner looks like.
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There were also those infected by the Flood, but contained within and controlled by a "strange variety of armor." Those hybrids were created on purpose, supposedly using the Composer and originally as part of the Master Builder's research.
If the new Didact does become the primary antagonist, that technology could be quite useful in creating an expendable army (as opposed to wasting whatever might remain of his race) and it could be one of the reasons he was concerned with saving the infected ones.

Or it could remain buried in the novels, but daaamn, I would like to see those things in motion. That, and the ever-changing Forerunner architecture. Screw the featureless grey blocks, I want to see this living tech.
 
Flipyap said:
An ancilla is the AI.
Are you guys forgetting the backlash caused by adding a different playable character in Halo 2? That was a character that played basically the same and you're talking about controlling an ancient 4-meter-tall giant.
It's a nice dream, but it might take another decade before the fanbase is ready to take a break from the Chief for a few levels. If there even are levels by then! It will be the future!
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This. I don't think it'd be a bad idea to maybe have 1 or 2 levels like that in the game as some sort of flashback
or geas, if I'm understanding exactly what a geas is
, but a 50/50 split is never going to happen.
 
The Didact seemed pretty frustrated there at the end.
I can just imagine him thinking "Timeless one my ass" right before he time-obliterates the Prisoner.
 
Trey said:
The Didact seemed pretty frustrated there at the end.
I can just imagine him thinking "Timeless one my ass" right before he time-obliterates the Prisoner.
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Yep. He seemed pretty clueless what he really should do
after the Primordial told him that there is no cure against the Flood.
 
Trey said:
The Didact seemed pretty frustrated there at the end.
I can just imagine him thinking "Timeless one my ass" right before he time-obliterates the Prisoner.
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Hypertrooper said:
Yep. He seemed pretty clueless what he really should do
after the Primordial told him that there is no cure against the Flood.
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Well, there is a godamn cure the Didact knows about. Bringing the Precursors down.
 
I was rereading Cryptum on a whim (I wanted to remind myself of some plot events) and ended up reading the entire thing. It's a much better book than Primordium, in most aspects. Funnily enough, I thought Cryptum was a slow read until I read the first eighty percent of Primordium. In retrospect, the second entry in the trilogy was boring, almost critically so. If not for the promise of a satisfying payoff in the climax (worth the cost of getting there, I think. I'm just not fond of the story structure in itself), I doubt I could have completed Primordium in a timely manner.

Perhaps my negative attitude is because I was entirely looking forward to the conclusion, so the story could never grip me completely as it unfolded. I may reread the first quarter of the book to confirm my suspicions.
 
Hypertrooper said:
Why?
We still know nothing about the Precursors. We don't even know if they created the Flood. The Primordial only said that they continue to create.
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It is hyperbolic. BUT the Didact/Librarian's plan should be two fold : eradicating the Flood's food & eradicating the Flood's source
 
Why is everything spoiler tagged if this is the Primordium thread? I don't get it. Whatever.

I finished this book on Sunday. The first 160 pages or so were so damn boring! It felt more like Hatchet then Halo. I kept going out of curiosity based on what Cryptum provided. I liked Cryptum far more and liked the space traveling and Forerunner stuff far more than what this book had. The end was pretty awesome for sure and I still enjoyed it, but so much was not needed. I didn't enjoy following cavemen around the ring. It had little to do with the ring other than occasional things here and there like when the pieces move around for repair or the mentioning of the sides.

When the information comes, it comes sooo fast that its hard to process. Bear paints beautiful pictures, at least I think so but they are very very hard to visualize. I'm hoping someone can come along and draw some of the scenes from the end of the book for us to see. Some of the parts down inside the Halo I visualized to look a lot like Tron with lots of darkness filled here and there with bright neon colored lights but that doesn't seem quite right.

Anyway, good overall and I'm excited for what this brings for Halo 4-6. Fronk and 343, please have Bear fill the 3rd book with more stuffs and less nothingness.
 
senador said:
Why is everything spoiler tagged if this is the Primordium thread? I don't get it. Whatever.

I finished this book on Sunday. The first 160 pages or so were so damn boring! It felt more like Hatchet then Halo. I kept going out of curiosity based on what Cryptum provided. I liked Cryptum far more and liked the space traveling and Forerunner stuff far more than what this book had. The end was pretty awesome for sure and I still enjoyed it, but so much was not needed. I didn't enjoy following cavemen around the ring. It had little to do with the ring other than occasional things here and there like when the pieces move around for repair or the mentioning of the sides.

When the information comes, it comes sooo fast that its hard to process. Bear paints beautiful pictures, at least I think so but they are very very hard to visualize. I'm hoping someone can come along and draw some of the scenes from the end of the book for us to see. Some of the parts down inside the Halo I visualized to look a lot like Tron with lots of darkness filled here and there with bright neon colored lights but that doesn't seem quite right.

Anyway, good overall and I'm excited for what this brings for Halo 4-6. Fronk and 343, please have Bear fill the 3rd book with more stuffs and less nothingness.
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This is pretty much how I feel about it. I have serious trouble imagining things Bear tells us sometimes.
 
OH, I also don't know what Forerunners look like. I sure hope its not the things we saw in Halo Legends, because those looked dumb. I'd like to see what average Forerunners look like and what the Didact looks like.
 
Wasn't there some talk before Cryptum came out about doing an artbook down the line to show off a bunch of the concept art and visualizations for stuff from the trilogy? I hope that's still coming someday.
 
Trey said:
Sounds tautological.
What do you mean by "source"?
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Precursor. The tautology was intended. I can't wrap my head around the Precursors and I think there will be much crazyness if Bear is repsonsible to flesh them out.

Precursors make Forerunners, Humans, the Flood and possibly everything else.
Flood parasytes Forerunners, Humans, possibly everything else. if Precursors are Flood immune, then I suppose it could be said they have a remedy whether because they 've designed the Flood to spare them or have built something to repell it. They could also have "fused" with the Flood or could already be wiped away. Anyway if Precursors still have bodies of some sort, then it should be possible for Forerunners or Humans to reverse engineer what makes them immune.
At minimum, the Didact would be a fool to not want to finish the Fight against Precursors since they are responsible for the demise of its people, and my favorite rambling is he doesn't lik anybody who fucks with the Mantle.

blamite said:
Wasn't there some talk before Cryptum came out about doing an artbook down the line to show off a bunch of the concept art and visualizations for stuff from the trilogy? I hope that's still coming someday.
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Well, nothing is confirmed but Halo 4 will probably deal with a lot of stuff introduced in the books, the inevitable halo 4 artbook is more marketable than a "X-um" artbook.
I got Structura 2 coming later this month to keep me waiting.
 
blamite said:
Wasn't there some talk before Cryptum came out about doing an artbook down the line to show off a bunch of the concept art and visualizations for stuff from the trilogy? I hope that's still coming someday.
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It's already out. "Halo - The Art Of Building Worlds". But 343i would definitely miss a big opportunity to not publish a "Art Of Halo 4" book.
 
Precursors created the Flood as a means to wipe-out a civilization from the galaxy. The Flood were meant to be a weapon but it got out of control and became sentient.

Originally I thought the Flood came from outside of the galaxy and I assumed that it may have originated in another galaxy entirely. I'm starting to wonder if it was simply deployed from outside of the Galaxy to target a specific specious that needed to be removed.

Some of this is very similar to the vibe I'm getting from Prometheus.
 
DoctorWho said:
Precursors created the Flood as a means to wipe-out a civilization from the galaxy. The Flood were meant to be a weapon but it got out of control and became sentient.

Originally I thought the Flood came from outside of the galaxy and I assumed that it may have originated in another galaxy entirely. I'm starting to wonder if it was simply deployed from outside of the Galaxy to target a specific specious that needed to be removed.

Some of this is very similar to the vibe I'm getting from Prometheus.
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Prometheus looks awesome.

The Prisonner has already stated what the Flood is supposed to accomplish.
 
Ok. So stewardship, buy why are they doing this? What's the point? Is that revealed in the book? I was confused by the end, so I don't know. Are there Precursors alive beyond the rim? How was this all put in place?

So confused...we get answers, but even more questions.
Slightly Live said:
We better get guardianship benefits and tax breaks.
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Socialism!!!!!

Wait...
 
supposedly the Flood is the Precursor' s tool to create the ultimate race = Forerunner + Human, which explains why Flood is so content on manipulating DNA and building offsprings rather than "simply" exterminate its hosts.
It's possible the hive-minds are proto-forms of the ultimate Precursor's creation.
A single voice in a multitude of organisms seems to be the Precursor's goal towards ensuring a peaceful Life in the galaxies, whereas individualism, even the pro-Life (Mantle) attitude of Forerunners is not enough to satisfy them.
It's clearly suspicious why Precursors would want to test humans whereas their individualism is even more pronounced.

Frankie has already implied that Sgt Johnson's immunity is related to some kind of marker, while many of the Halo related fictions present Monitors as looking for such a trace of immunity (notably in Halo : Bloodlines), which in itself seems to be closely related to the all Reclaimer stuff, although it's not formulated clearly as this.
I formulate without proof, that the said immunity is possibly the Key to reclaiming the Mantle, previously passed on the Forerunners before they felt from Grace.

I have no fucking idea why Precursors would want to test the humans after the created the Flood, because in Primordium it is said the Precursors wanted to get rid of all their previous toys to make room for a better one.
Or maybe they're just offering, magnanimously, a chance to prove them wrong.
 
I finished my reread yesterday, and ended up understanding it a bit better, I think. So now, I'm going to brainstorm a bit. Bear with me here (geddit), and if you can, correct me where I'm still wrong. I'm also throwing a bit of speculation in the mix, because you know. Don't shoot me if this ends up being completely the opposite of what Bear meant, that's why I'm asking you guys for help. Compound mind, and all that.

So humans and Forerunners appear to have been one, a long time ago. Then, they were 'sundered', presumably by the Precursors. The Precursors then tried to wipe out the Forerunners, but the Forerunners drove them off instead. But the Precursors sent the Flood to the galaxy as a test for the Forerunners... And that test turned Forerunner against Forerunner as they all fell to the Flood, which I presume is why the Forerunners failed. From what I gather from the end of the book, the Flood deliberately did not infect humans, because they were not the ones being tested. Only when the Master Builder started fucking around with the Flood on Installation 07 did they start infecting humans, but even then only a limited number actually got infected. Heck, Riser made his way across a Flood-formed wasteland filled with spores, and nothing happened to him. The captive states at the end that "humans will be tested next", I presume this is the point where

Chakas/Guilty Spark refers to humanity as the TRUE Reclaimers. When he says "reclaimer", I'm going to assume he means "to reclaim the Mantle", and not "to reclaim the Forerunners' empire" or some shit. The Precursors believed in the Mantle. If the Mantle is, truly, what the Forerunners believe it is, then it makes sense that they were deemed "unworthy" when they started fighting among themselves instead of protecting the galaxy against the Flood. It seems that humanity, if we consider the events of Halo 1/2/3 as 'their' test, may have passed because they actually banded together against the Flood. Or, what we saw in the first trilogy was only the start, because let's face it, the scale of Flood infection we saw during those games was peanuts compared to the galactic war the Forerunners are waging... The whole point of the 'Reclaimer'-trilogy may be humanity proving their worth as the 'reclaimers' of the Mantle, the heritage of the Precursors, for which the Forerunners were apparently deemed unworthy.

Now, about the Precursors. We know that the Captive was a Gravemind, but he was different than the mish-mash of bodyparts that Chakas came across during his journey. We also know that the Captive, while big, was a lot smaller than the only Gravemind we've actually seen 'in the flesh': the Halo 2/3 Gravemind. That one was a mass that spanned the entire bottom of the Library, and later on the entirety of High Charity. Yet he was able to move himself, so perhaps what we saw of the Gravemind was actually just a facade, a 'meat shield' if you will. Perhaps at the center of our Audrey-like friend, there was another being like the Captive. The real 'compound mind'. Probably not, but I'm brainstorming here.

Or perhaps, the Captive was as he is because of the way he was created. From what we know about the Precursors, it seems (and this is just pure conjecture here) like their technology was based on some kind of organic life. After all, their structures on Charum Hakkor were destroyed when the Master Builder set off a Halo near it. Now, because we haven’t found any trace of Precursor architecture in the timeframe of the games, I’m going to assume that when the Halo’s wiped the galaxy clean, they wiped away all Precursor structures as well.

There's still things I'm confused about. For instance,
what the Captive could've told Yprin so many years ago that caused so many humans to commit suicide rather than face the truth.
It has been alluded to a couple of times throughout the books, but as far as I cal tell, we still don't know for sure, and I really can't fathom what it would be.

As I was typing this, something did emerge in the back of my head... Might as well type it out. Here comes the biggest load of speculation I've ever done, and I'm not too sure about its plausibility either. Here it goes regardless:

Perhaps, just perhaps, the Precursors are/were the 'purest' of Flood forms... The Flood, evolved into a galaxy-dominating civilization. Able to create life, and to consume it. Even their architecture was based on this: a living being, able to withstand thousands, even millions of years. Like the Captive. This would make them susceptible to the firing of a Halo. When the Halo fired near Charum Hakkor, it destroyed everything except the Captive, who was in stasis in a time lock. We learn during Primordium that a similar form of stasis is used to protect the interior of a Halo when it fires, or when damage becomes imminent. Whatever it knew once influenced humanity and influenced Mendicant Bias as well, when he was tasked with interrogating it. However, I'm still a bit unclear on its motives. In the Terminals, the Captive/Gravemind states that he seeks unity, that the Flood is the next stage in galactic evolution. He repeats this during Primordium. Then why the tests? Why did the Precursors want to test the Forerunners and humanity? If he seeks unity, it would've made more sense to just say "fuck it all" and consume every living being in the galaxy. According to the Captive, it's about the aforementioned stewardship of the Mantle... But what is the point of being stewards if you're going to be absorbed anyway?
Help me out here, guys, my mind is full of fuck. Anyone have a better idea?

More wonderings:

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The Captive was a gravemind, but the end of Primordium tries to tell us he is not a Precursor after all. He refers to the Precursors as "them", and it is stated he actually consists of several beings. Then what is his purpose, and why is he so different from the other Graveminds we've seen? The Primordial is, supposedly, millions of years old... Did he only achieve his final form because he was alive for so long?

- The final part of the book did its best to make me lost completely. The action jumps from location to location, and suddenly another reveal makes you reconsider everything that's happened.
When Chakas is sent to the Cartographer, he mentions he has forgotten about 'the child'. From what we know, that child is presumably the Primordial, the 'child' of the Precursors. I think this means that he's had a recent encounter with the Primordial, but forgot all about it. He also frequently mentions not feeling certain body parts anymore. Was Chakas already mauled and hurt, or did that only occur later? Because I got the impression that Chakas got torn up, but this somehow happened either while he was working with the Cartographer or after the Didact found him.
Educate me, people, because I'm lost here.
 
I dunno.

I don't like that the Flood are simply a test to see who is worthy of the Mantle. That seems a little...nice, given the Forerunners wiped out the Precursors.
 
Finished it.

Enjoyed it
but I think I said this after Halo 3, or perhaps it was when 343I revealed that 343 would be the focus of the terminals in Anniversary, but god damn it, let 343 GS lie!
Stop bringing him back! He's come back enough, he really didn't need to come back again!
 
Zeouterlimits said:
Finished it.

Enjoyed it
but I think I said this after Halo 3, or perhaps it was when 343I revealed that 343 would be the focus of the terminals in Anniversary, but god damn it, let 343 GS lie!
Stop bringing him back! He's come back enough, he really didn't need to come back again!
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Welp, best get used to it. Looks like the exact opposite of that is happening.
 
Dax01 said:
I dunno.

I don't like that the Flood are simply a test to see who is worthy of the Mantle. That seems a little...nice, given the Forerunners wiped out the Precursors.
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I see a couple of possibilities on how this is to play out. The direction itself is opened ended enough so that Greg Bear doesn't necessarily have to shoehorn elements into the narrative to force it to make sense, but focused enough so us readers generally know what to expect and look forward to.
 
Zeouterlimits said:
Finished it.

Enjoyed it
but I think I said this after Halo 3, or perhaps it was when 343I revealed that 343 would be the focus of the terminals in Anniversary, but god damn it, let 343 GS lie!
Stop bringing him back! He's come back enough, he really didn't need to come back again!
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He's being "brought back" if that's how you want to classify it because he had a shitty death in Halo 3. I've said this before and I'll say this again: the chemistry between him and Cortana was too good to pass up for the next Halo game. You know, just the three of them. And if Cortana does go rampant in Halo 4, it'll be a nice change to have 343 on your side while you're fighting a rampant Cortana.

Gonna be awesome sauce.
 
Dax01 said:
He's being "brought back" if that's how you want to classify it because he had a shitty death in Halo 3. I've said this before and I'll say this again: the chemistry between him and Cortana was too good to pass up for the next Halo game. You know, just the three of them. And if Cortana does go rampant in Halo 4, it'll be a nice change to have 343 on your side while you're fighting a rampant Cortana.

Gonna be awesome sauce.
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I really can't see fighting Cortana as an outcome, if at all a factor. Perhaps she goes rogue in the second game of the trilogy, but eventually you'll bring her back to metastability. This trilogy will deepen their relationship even further, I just hope Bungie doesn't pull a Bioware, if you know what I mean.
 
Hopefully we will find out more when the Halo 4 reveal begins (if all the speculation is to be believed) at least then we can begin to confirm things from primordium.
 
BUMP!

So I got a little excited from reading the cover to OXM which says the Chief will fight the builder of the rings.

Do we get to kick the Master Builder's ass?

343i can certainly build a link between the Master Builder and the Precursors to keep the trilogy going after Halo 4 and thus focusing on re-introducing some Forerunners (some good, some bad) and having us fight abominations the Master Builder is responsible of.
 
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